Trump says he will leave the White House if Electoral College votes for Biden

[bendejo]

18 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

I have noticed a distinct reduction in trump articles just in the last week.

I'm sure he has, too.  It has to be driving him bonkers!

Worst thing you can do to such an egoist is ignore them. 

 

 

 

[Tippaporn]

Anybody have a video of that?

[polpott]

Just now, Tippaporn said:

Anybody have a video of that?

I have a video of him watching 2 Russian prostitutes urinate on a bed in a Moscow hotel. Would that be of any use to you? Or maybe the video gleaned from CCTV in a hotel elevator, of him physically attacking Melania? Lots of Trump videos, which one are you referring to?

[Tippaporn]

2 minutes ago, polpott said:

7 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Anybody have a video of that?

I have a video of him watching 2 Russian prostitutes urinate on a bed in a Moscow hotel. Would that be of any use to you? Or maybe the video gleaned from CCTV in a hotel elevator, of him physically attacking Melania? Lots of Trump videos, which one are you referring to?

LOL.  You could have just said, "No."  I just find it curious that I cannot find any video showing Trump saying that or anyone talking about it (it would have been huge news in conservative media).

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, cmarshall said:

 

Completely and dangerously false.  First of all, there is no such thing as "run its course" with Covid-19, at least not so far.  Secondly, China stopped the virus dead in Wuhan, the epicenter, in eight weeks.  The lockdown in China and in Melbourne for that matter was quite severe.  People were not allowed to go out of their houses except for limited purposes and even then only for very limited periods of time.   If you do that then there are no more "community cases" after the lockdown period.

 

Disagree. TOTAL cases in Australia have been 27,883. Active cases now 1404.

America total cases near 13.5 million. Active cases more than 5.2 million. The USA is going to need a lot more than 8 weeks to get on top of the virus with a lockdown, more like 6 months.

Australia and New Zealand were successful because its leaders listened to the science. Trump never did, and his legacy to Biden is a poisoned chalice. If you can't even get Americans to wear a helmet when they get on a motorbike, because it infringes on their personal freedumb, what chance do you think you stand when half of Trump supporters think a mask is another assault on their liberty?

I agree coronavirus has not run its course, I was speaking in the anticipation of a combination of herd immunity and vaccination reducing COVID-19 to the same status as flu.

 

[polpott]

4 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

LOL.  You could have just said, "No."  I just find it curious that I cannot find any video showing Trump saying that or anyone talking about it (it would have been huge news in conservative media).

Talk about what? Grabbing women's p***ys? Locking Hilary up? Building a wall and getting the Mexicans pay for it? Injecting bleach?

 

You need to be more specific like quoting another post to save confusion.

[Tippaporn]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

Talk about what? Grabbing women's p***ys? Locking Hilary up? Building a wall and getting the Mexicans pay for it? Injecting bleach?

 

You need to be more specific like quoting another post to save confusion.

I guess you didn't read the OP.

[Eric Loh]

36 minutes ago, bendejo said:

I'm sure he has, too.  It has to be driving him bonkers!

Worst thing you can do to such an egoist is ignore them. 

 

 

 

He still hard at work at grifting his supporters to donate to his “fund”. Sending emails to supporters and begging for money. Shameless  act of patheticism demanding   “Final notice” to “friends” to send money. So embarrassingly sad. 

 

[polpott]

8 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I guess you didn't read the OP.

I did but you didn't quote it.

 

Is this the video you wanted?

 

 

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Obviously speaking as one that isn't in NZ.

There was no "complete shutdown of foreign arrivals" A film crew arrived from California to make the sequel to Avatar. The arrival prompted some unfavourable comments about the government at the time.

 

New Zealanders living abroad have been returning, which is much the same as foreign arrivals. Been several breaches of quarantine too.

 

Avatar crew resumes filming in Wellington after 14 days in quarantine

18 Jun, 2020 02:12 PM

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/avatar-crew-resumes-filming-in-wellington-after-14-days-in-quarantine/AQBAB5NKXKPESOWAVEHNDFTXDI/

IMO the key point was having the 14 days quarantine whether someone was infected or not. Australia made the mistake of contracting out security privately,  AFAIK New Zealand did not.

Not sure if the US ever instituted quarantine for ALL incoming travelers, only those with symptoms. Horses and stable doors spring to mind.

[Lacessit]

4 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

He still hard at work at grifting his supporters to donate to his “fund”. Sending emails to supporters and begging for money. Shameless  act of patheticism demanding   “Final notice” to “friends” to send money. So embarrassingly sad. 

 

If someone can give me a link, I'm quite happy to donate - one cent at a time.

[Tippaporn]

5 minutes ago, polpott said:

I did but you didn't quote it.

The title of this thread, duh.

[polpott]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

The title of this thread, duh.

Added to my post.

[earlinclaifornia]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/georgia-runoff-election-senate-trump-loeffler-perdue-republicans-b1762824.html Republicans are increasingly concerned by calls from some Trumpsupporters for conservative voters to boycott Georgia’s senate races next month. call for boycott of Georgia senate races that Republicans are desperate to win

[RocketDog]

11 minutes ago, bendejo said:

I'm sure he has, too.  It has to be driving him bonkers!

Worst thing you can do to such an egoist is ignore them. 

 

 

 

As the man's power, influence, and ability to cause harm wane, I may eventually be able to feel pity for him. 

 

He truly is a pathetic figure, one whose state of being is pathos. His psychological condition makes him vulnerable to rapid degeneration and failure. He has built up a grandiose vision of a perpetual presidency in his mind for so long now, abetted by his rabid following.

Now that his ejection is imminent he will not be able to cope with the reality of his failure. The truly historic proportions of his personal failure in this election are inescapable even to him. 

 

In my opinion he will crumble and suffer what psychiatrists call dissociation, commonly referred to as 'a mental breakdown' from which he will not recover. Like other megalomaniacs such as  Hitler and Howard Hughes he will become permanently despondent and reclusive. He has no inner core of self-worth despite his outward self-righteousness and belligerent bluster.

 

He will finally perceive that the superficial adulation of his sycophants is hollow and self-serving; this will crush him. The legendary persona he has fashioned and nurtured in his own mind will crumble, exposing him to himself as the morally empty suit he has always been.Sociopaths like him are far better at blithely inflicting pain than they are at suffering and recovering from it. 

 

He has indeed earned a place in American history but in an inverted sense relative to his aspirations. He is a contemporaneous 'The Man Who Would Be King' object lesson. 

 

Other than his upcoming litigious turbulence he is finished as a public figure of any worthwhile significance. For that at least we can be thankful. He will become solely an object of public ridicule and darkly gratuitous entertainment.

 

If I ever get around to it I may pity him someday, but not any time soon. He is the architect of his own demise. 

 

 

[Tippaporn]

So who has video of Trump saying he'll leave the White House if the Electoral College confirms Biden?  Anybody?

[cmarshall]

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

Disagree. TOTAL cases in Australia have been 27,883. Active cases now 1404.

America total cases near 13.5 million. Active cases more than 5.2 million. The USA is going to need a lot more than 8 weeks to get on top of the virus with a lockdown, more like 6 months.

Australia and New Zealand were successful because its leaders listened to the science. Trump never did, and his legacy to Biden is a poisoned chalice. If you can't even get Americans to wear a helmet when they get on a motorbike, because it infringes on their personal freedumb, what chance do you think you stand when half of Trump supporters think a mask is another assault on their liberty?

I agree coronavirus has not run its course, I was speaking in the anticipation of a combination of herd immunity and vaccination reducing COVID-19 to the same status as flu.

 

 

You are ignoring the most basic fact: the duration of a successful lockdown is a function of the length of the contagious period for those infected, not the number of the infected, as long as the lockdown is effective.  At the end of the lockdown, the disease can be controlled with testing, isolation, and contact-tracing.  So, China stopped the outbreak in Wuhan (pop. 11 million) in 76 days while the Australians did the same in Melbourne (pop. 5 million) in 111 days.  

 

I am always baffled by commentators such as yourself whose interest in the control of Covid stops with white people.  Why cite Australia, which has a population the size of Metropolitan New York City, when the case of China is available?  The R0 In Wuhan and in the US in the early days of the outbreak was almost exactly the same.  Yet, China controlled it, while the US failed miserably.  China the model to follow more than Australia.

 

It's certainly true that the Chinese achieved high degrees of compliance, which the US will not be able to match.  However, the US would be able to achieve an acceptable degree of compliance by compensating households and businesses for economic losses.  

 

So, if the Americans do just wait passively for the vaccine there will be hundreds of thousands of additional and unnecessary deaths before it comes under control, assuming that the vaccines work as expected.

[polpott]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

So who has video of Trump saying he'll leave the White House if the Electoral College confirms Biden?  Anybody?

I've posted it.

 

Here it is again.

 

 

[heybruce]

4 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

So who has video of Trump saying he'll leave the White House if the Electoral College confirms Biden?  Anybody?

It was already provided.  Listen to the final question and Trump's answer in the tiny desk video:  https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1194117-trump says-he-will-leave-the-white-house-if-electoral-college-votes-for-biden/page/11/#elControls_16037785_menu

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, pkspeaker said:

And you have to much confidence in the 'rule of law'.. we often have 2 opinions as to what the rule of law is.  You think America and it's divided society is so much better than this country?  You don't think this country has 'rule of law'?  Then why am I so much safer from crime in this country than I am back in america?  there are alot of people in America, mostly 2nd amendment types that feel their democracy is being bulldozed, and a few 'secret service agents' and what military unit under who's orders would intervene?.. a 'few thousand mil maga marchers' that photos show blanketed the place with a huge stage set up, my guess is they'll be back if the courts and electoral delegate process is not going their way..

 

You don't listen to the alternative media, there are militia's with thousands of members, 'oath takers' etc. that say they are ready to decend on WDC to 'protect the president against the coup'  , to 'prevent dictatorship', the other sides dogma is as colorful as yours..  and where the hell are Bidens 'few thousand marchers'.. at home afraid of catching 'covid'? of cource they are so weak.  Trump may decide to leave willingly even though the other side has made matters worse by promising to throw him in jail as soon as hes a civilian, but the fact is that he can excersize this option OR this option may be excersized for him if the MAGAs decide to operate on their own .. when the yellow shirts do it, they were not acting on orders from Abhisit or any other parliament member, rather they create an independent group that demands political concessions

The courts decide what the rule of law is, and so far the courts have been consistently saying that without evidence of election fraud, the election results stand.

 

If you think "2nd amendment types" and militias are going to successfully stage a coup (not 'protect the president against the coup', as you describe it) then you've been watching too many movies.  If fools with guns show up with the intent to illegally keep Trump in office, they will lose.  It's only a matter of how bloody their loss will be.

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, pkspeaker said:

He's gonna be the president elect for the next 4 years lol

How will you react when reality sets in?

[Eric Loh]

21 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election-2020/georgia-runoff-election-senate-trump-loeffler-perdue-republicans-b1762824.html Republicans are increasingly concerned by calls from some Trumpsupporters for conservative voters to boycott Georgia’s senate races next month. call for boycott of Georgia senate races that Republicans are desperate to win

I honestly don’t think that Trump will put much effort to campaign for the run-off. He really don’t care much for the party but himself. There nothing for him in the run-off and he is <deleted> with the GOPs not putting efforts to help him steal the election. The party know this and is panicking. 

[Rimmer]

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[Tippaporn]

1 minute ago, polpott said:

I've posted it.

 

Here it is again.

 

 

Missed your edited post.  Good enough, thanks.  Of course we all know Trump isn't going to concede.  He's just saying that if, if he loses he'll leave voluntarily.  Kamala Harris hasn't vacated her Senate seat yet so that tells me that Team Biden doesn't yet have 100% confidence in the outcome.  At least Kamala doesn't.  One thing you can say about her is that she's shrewd.

[xylophone]

3 hours ago, pkspeaker said:

He's gonna be the president elect for the next 4 years lol

You poor deluded soul........still if that's what you have to keep repeating to yourself to make you happy, who am I to try to point reality out to you, and as the song by Aerosmith says,...."Dream On".

[Psimbo]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Anybody have a video of that?

Its been on the BBC, Al J and other tv channels since at least 1800 Thai time yesterday.

 

Oh hang on- that's mainstream meedya- FAKE NOOS.????

 

A spokesperson will be along later to issue the usual 'what the President meant '  or 'the President was being sarcastic' rebuttal.

 

 

[RocketDog]

20 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Disagree. TOTAL cases in Australia have been 27,883. Active cases now 1404.

America total cases near 13.5 million. Active cases more than 5.2 million. The USA is going to need a lot more than 8 weeks to get on top of the virus with a lockdown, more like 6 months.

Australia and New Zealand were successful because its leaders listened to the science. Trump never did, and his legacy to Biden is a poisoned chalice. If you can't even get Americans to wear a helmet when they get on a motorbike, because it infringes on their personal freedumb, what chance do you think you stand when half of Trump supporters think a mask is another assault on their liberty?

I agree coronavirus has not run its course, I was speaking in the anticipation of a combination of herd immunity and vaccination reducing COVID-19 to the same status as flu.

 

I can agree with most of what both you and @cmarshall say.

I can't quote anybody but in general epidemiologist say that virtually any infectious disease  can be defeated in a time period proportional to its dormancy period. It's a matter, scientifically obvious but socially near impossible, to achieve.

 

If the disease's vectors are eliminated and extant patients treated for 2-3 times the dormancy period, the organism can only survive in undiscovered reservoirs. This has been proven even in diseases as viciously fatal and untreatable as Ebola. The history of Ebola in the last twenty years demonstrates this dictum. There are periodically outbreaks in Africa that are quelled in weeks or months and then it vanishes for a few years only to reappear. 

 

So while I agree that hurculean and draconian measures could largely temporarily vanquish Covid, it's clearly true that such measures are unlikely to be imposed or honored in America. 

 

In my country this is a classic clash of philosophy and reality. We are doomed to suffer for quite some time because of the fierce independence that's part of our national heritage. There are times when philosophy is the only saving grace in a bad situation and times when it all but guarantees failure. 

 

I would personally subject myself to a short curtailment of liberties to at least regain control of the spread. But like others, I fear that once a government takes away freedoms they are rarely returned timely or intact.

I also believe that an effective vaccine is key to regaining control of the infection/death rate in the near term. At the same time I will personally not get vaccinated until it is apparent that it's effective and safe. Meanwhile I will continue with a very strict self-quarantine. 

 

I'm afraid that America in the near term will serve as an example of how not to face such epidemics in the future. Covid is here to stay and Americans will learn eventually how to deal with it. 

 

Churchill once said "you can always count on Americans to do the right thing after they've tried everything else." 

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3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Missed your edited post.  Good enough, thanks.  Of course we all know Trump isn't going to concede.  He's just saying that if, if he loses he'll leave voluntarily.  Kamala Harris hasn't vacated her Senate seat yet so that tells me that Team Biden doesn't yet have 100% confidence in the outcome.  At least Kamala doesn't.  One thing you can say about her is that she's shrewd.

As has been pointed out previously, Harris is keeping her seat to be a check on any last moves by Trump. For instance, his attempt to appoint a crank to the Fed.

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Missed your edited post.  Good enough, thanks.  Of course we all know Trump isn't going to concede.  He's just saying that if, if he loses he'll leave voluntarily.  Kamala Harris hasn't vacated her Senate seat yet so that tells me that Team Biden doesn't yet have 100% confidence in the outcome.  At least Kamala doesn't.  One thing you can say about her is that she's shrewd.

Why would she vacate her seat until January 20th? She's still needed in the senate. If the 2 Georgia senate seats flip to Democrat, she may be there long term as, in the event of a tied senate, she has the authority to preside over the senate and has the casting vote in any tied votes. May well be that a VP, for the first time, has a useful role. Also would do her no harm when she replaces Biden as POTUS.

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9 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Missed your edited post.  Good enough, thanks.  Of course we all know Trump isn't going to concede.  He's just saying that if, if he loses he'll leave voluntarily.  Kamala Harris hasn't vacated her Senate seat yet so that tells me that Team Biden doesn't yet have 100% confidence in the outcome.  At least Kamala doesn't.  One thing you can say about her is that she's shrewd.

And one thing we can say about your comment is that it isn't. for reasons offered by others and me above.