Yingluck hits back after Prayut criticism over rice-pledging scheme

[peterpop]

52 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Not really.  Some are massively corrupt, others, not so much. 

 

Obviously, they didn't do a decent job or they'd still be here running the country! ????

Clearly you are a newcomer to Thailand.  Did you not know there was a coup.

[hotchilli]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

“I have not run the country for the past seven years. Prayut should start blaming himself, and not only me,” she said.

Pot calling the kettle black.

[Jeffr2]

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

All Thai politicians are corrupt. The only difference was that Thaksin and Yingluck gave a bit back as well with the 30 baht healthcare scheme etc.

 

They also did a decent job running the country. Loads of investment back then and Thailand was an Asian tiger.

 

The Junta give nothing back. They keep the boot firmly on the throat of the poor.  They are also hugely corrupt and completely incompetent. I know who I'd prefer. 

The 30 baht heathcare scheme was a failure.  My wife's family gave up on it years ago. 

 

Too bad Thailand can't find better leaders.  The scourge of Thailand....corruption.

[Jeffr2]

4 minutes ago, peterpop said:

Clearly you are a newcomer to Thailand.  Did you not know there was a coup.

Ummm....been here over 20 years.  Bad assumption on your part.

[WineOh]

12 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

But why didn't they stay and fight the charges?

Because the judges are in the pockets of the very people who kicked them out!

The legal system here is owned by the wealthy.

 

Of course they would lose the case and probably spend the rest of their lives in jail as political prisoners.

Does it make you guilty when all the cards are stacked against you and you have no chance of a fair trial?

 

They saw what was coming and acted fast.

Fair play to them.

[Mr Meeseeks]

3 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

But why didn't they stay and fight the charges?  It wouldn't have been that difficult to do considering the money and power they had.  Seems some here need to read up on the crime and corruption they were involved with.  Stunning.  But for sure, coups are not the way to handle the situation.  Terrible how the military has done this.  Some 20 or 30, not all successful.

 

There's also a lot behind the scenes that's not discussed.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaksin_Shinawatra

Not having a dig at you but using Wikipedia to back up your claims and in the same thread claiming you know better than others because you have been here longer doesn't do you any favours. ???? 

 

The reason Thaksin was removed was he was a threat to the elites' status quo, nothing more. He started breaking rice bowls and stopping money being diverted from the taxpayer to the government banks to the elites. One of the methods employed prior to his tenure was loan forgiveness to which the former KTB CEO lost his job under Thaksin and that's when the elites started fighting back. KTB was forgiving an unusually large amount of loans to certain people for billions of Baht.

 

Remember, a lot of these corrupt scumbags were still trying to recoup their losses from the financial crisis in 1997/98.

 

Don't forget when Thaksin stopped this, one of the big benefactors of loan forgiveness was Sondhi Limthongkul, who had personal and business loans totalling billions of Baht. Sondhi's media company went into overdrive with the rhetoric, politicising the country's highest institution and encouraging militant yellow shirt protests which cost the country billions in the end and resulted in two military coups which have set the country back decades as we are seeing now.

 

If you recall after the coup in 2006 the then military junta struggled to find solid evidence to charge Thaksin with anything, despite the many allegations from the yellow shirts and other detractors.

 

If he were so corrupt as everyone claimed, there would have been several charged laid on him back then straight away but there wasn't. Instead they had to go after his wife for the Rachadaprisek land purchase.

 

As it stands now, most Thais are realising that they are worse off than before, and going on current sentiment, most would welcome him back with open arms.

[Tropicalevo]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

I'm not sure Thaksin or Yingluck caused anyone to lose their job or their future.

The country seemed to be doing well when they were in charge.

During those years, I spoke to many Thais about their leaders. (Yellow shirt v red shirt etc.)

All of the people that I spoke to were happy with both Thaksin and Yingluck.

The common theme was that 'now someone is finally helping us'.

Please bear in mind that I do not know or talk to any politicians, Hi-so's or 'do you know who I am?' types.

I only know ordinary Thais. ie THE people

[Jeffr2]

24 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Not having a dig at you but using Wikipedia to back up your claims and in the same thread claiming you know better than others because you have been here longer doesn't do you any favours. ???? 

 

The reason Thaksin was removed was he was a threat to the elites' status quo, nothing more. He started breaking rice bowls and stopping money being diverted from the taxpayer to the government banks to the elites. One of the methods employed prior to his tenure was loan forgiveness to which the former KTB CEO lost his job under Thaksin and that's when the elites started fighting back. KTB was forgiving an unusually large amount of loans to certain people for billions of Baht.

 

Remember, a lot of these corrupt scumbags were still trying to recoup their losses from the financial crisis in 1997/98.

 

Don't forget when Thaksin stopped this, one of the big benefactors of loan forgiveness was Sondhi Limthongkul, who had personal and business loans totalling billions of Baht. Sondhi's media company went into overdrive with the rhetoric, politicising the country's highest institution and encouraging militant yellow shirt protests which cost the country billions in the end and resulted in two military coups which have set the country back decades as we are seeing now.

 

If you recall after the coup in 2006 the then military junta struggled to find solid evidence to charge Thaksin with anything, despite the many allegations from the yellow shirts and other detractors.

 

If he were so corrupt as everyone claimed, there would have been several charged laid on him back then straight away but there wasn't. Instead they had to go after his wife for the Rachadaprisek land purchase.

 

As it stands now, most Thais are realising that they are worse off than before, and going on current sentiment, most would welcome him back with open arms.

That Wiki link lays things out quite well.  Seems some here only look at the good side of this family, not the reality of their dodgy deeds.  Nor, the other issues we can't discuss here. 

 

This was the issue that brought him down.  But there were lots of other issues also.  He could have stayed and fought this, and probably won.  But he did like so many other politicians here...went on the run.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/oct/21/thaksin-thailand-corruption

Thailand's former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra was today sentenced to two years' imprisonment in absentia over a corrupt land deal.

In a ruling that made him the first Thai politician to be convicted of corruption committed while prime minister, Thaksin was found to have violated conflict of interest rules in helping his wife buy land from a state agency at a reduced price.

[Jeffr2]

33 minutes ago, WineOh said:

Because the judges are in the pockets of the very people who kicked them out!

The legal system here is owned by the wealthy.

 

Of course they would lose the case and probably spend the rest of their lives in jail as political prisoners.

Does it make you guilty when all the cards are stacked against you and you have no chance of a fair trial?

 

They saw what was coming and acted fast.

Fair play to them.

I hear ya, but they still had to file proper legal charges and fight it in court.  He lost.  But, his wife did come back and was eventually cleared.  Hmmm....

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/oct/21/thaksin-thailand-corruption

But his wife, Pojaman, who jumped bail and fled to England with the former leader two monhs ago, was cleared of wrongdoing in the real estate deal.

[4MyEgo]

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

But why didn't they stay and fight the charges? 

 

Might as well ask the Red Bull heir that as well, his family is far more wealthy than the Shinawatra's aren't they, but they also know how the court system works here, i.e. could go both ways for that guy, but one way for the Shinawatra's.

Edited June 3, 2021 by 4MyEgo

[Bundooman]

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

He was loved by the poor masses because of his populist agenda.  Remember the cheap tablets to students?  The ones that never worked and were broken almost immediately?  They loved him for that, even though all it did was put money in government officials pockets, and increase the country's debt.

 

 

You got the wrong 'him'.

It was 'her', Yingluck that promised top-of-the-range Samsung notebooks and then renaged with cheap, Chinese junk, poor quality tablets that didn't really work, weren't programmed properly with no maintenance support, no electricity in rural classrooms, Teachers who didn't know how to use them and of course, no accountability. 

Thaksin on the other hand was slowly but surely, suppressing the media, dreaming of dictatorship and changing all the traffic lights in Bangkok to green to ease congestion, while accusing some army officer of trying to kill him. 

This is one hell of a country!  

[Jeffr2]

26 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

Might as well ask the Red Bull heir that as well, his family is far more wealthy than the Shinawatra's aren't they, but they also know how the court system works here, i.e. could go both ways for that guy, but one way for the Shinawatra's.

A dodgy land deal is NOTHING like being on drugs and killing a cop while speeding down Suk! LOL.  Easy to get out of the first, very difficult to get out of the second one!!

[BestB]

27 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

Might as well ask the Red Bull heir that as well, his family is far more wealthy than the Shinawatra's aren't they, but they also know how the court system works here, i.e. could go both ways for that guy, but one way for the Shinawatra's.

Future forward party leader is a perfect example. He stayed and fought and despite all odds lost every single case 

[Jeffr2]

13 minutes ago, Bundooman said:

You got the wrong 'him'.

It was 'her', Yingluck that promised top-of-the-range Samsung notebooks and then renaged with cheap, Chinese junk, poor quality tablets that didn't really work, weren't programmed properly with no maintenance support, no electricity in rural classrooms, Teachers who didn't know how to use them and of course, no accountability. 

Thaksin on the other hand was slowly but surely, suppressing the media, dreaming of dictatorship and changing all the traffic lights in Bangkok to green to ease congestion, while accusing some army officer of trying to kill him. 

This is one hell of a country!  

Spot on!  Thanks for the correction.

[Mr Meeseeks]

3 minutes ago, BestB said:

Future forward party leader is a perfect example. He stayed and fought and despite all odds lost every single case 

Bingo. 

[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, BestB said:

Future forward party leader is a perfect example. He stayed and fought and despite all odds lost every single case 

Again, nothing like Thaksin's case.  And Thanathorn isn't in jail.  But we'll see, the EC could still take up the case.

 

Not to mention his case was decided while the military was in charge.  I do agree it'd be hard to get a fair trial now for something like this.   But when Thaksin was charged, his party was in power.

[Robin]

I do not see Prayuth doing a better job than Yingluk, and she is better looking that he is.

Her, and her brother's problem was that they changed the face of Thai politics, and scared too many of the Elite who want to keep the status quo.

One day, I hope, Thai politics will modernise, and the country move forward, but there are many now in power who would not want this.

[ramrod711]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I'm not sure Thaksin or Yingluck caused anyone to lose their job or their future.

The country seemed to be doing well when they were in charge.

I think it's fair to say that the rice farmers that hung them selves were robbed of their futures. Old story, pot kettle black etc. she was not a good PM.

[Misterwhisper]

2 hours ago, Boomer6969 said:

Please come back Yingluck, you got the brains of two military "governments".

Thank you three times.

[Jeffr2]

20 minutes ago, Robin said:

I do not see Prayuth doing a better job than Yingluk, and she is better looking that he is.

Her, and her brother's problem was that they changed the face of Thai politics, and scared too many of the Elite who want to keep the status quo.

One day, I hope, Thai politics will modernise, and the country move forward, but there are many now in power who would not want this.

I dare say if they hadn't committed crimes, they'd still be in power.  And nothing the elite could do about it.  Their crimes brought them down.

 

Thailand needs to deal with the police force to move forward.  Hard to enforce laws with corrupt police.  And yes, those in power love it this way.  They can literally get away with murder.

[4MyEgo]

5 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

The ruling was against him, for obvious reasons, and he knew he was in trouble.  Thus, he did a runner.

 

I have taken the liberty to correct your above sentence for you, thus removing the word "ruling" and replacing it with "system", there you go, all good now ????

 

[jacko45k]

1 minute ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

I have taken the liberty to correct your above sentence for you, thus removing the word "ruling" and replacing it with "system", there you go, all good now ????

 

Against forum rules really.

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

I have taken the liberty to correct your above sentence for you, thus removing the word "ruling" and replacing it with "system", there you go, all good now ????

 

Fair call.  The legal system was against him.  Makes sense. 

[4MyEgo]

6 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Against forum rules really.

 

Only if you actually if you do it, suffice to say, I created my own from his, I believe that is called plagiarism ????

 

[seajae]

every thai govt has been corrupt because money is more important to them than the country, the only party that was different was hounded out at the last election & banned  by the present govt because they were a huge threat. The shins were very corrupt but so is this govt, the shins used the red shirts/police to do their dirty work killing innocent people and the current lot use the yellow shirts/army to do theirs. The people and country dont even come into it, they all do what ever is best for them alone and allow their prejudices to rule their decisions as well, nepotism is common place here to enrich those they like, everyone having to pay them to get promotions are also. The only way Thailand will change is to get a govt that will not let the officials/police/army do as they please to enrich themsleves and enforce the laws as well as make the justice system totally independant, doubt it will ever happen though, too much money to be made at the trough

 

[4MyEgo]

7 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Fair call.  The legal system was against him.  Makes sense. 

 

Exactly, legal systems cannot be against you until you have a fair trial. I rest my case your honour and expect all charges to be dropped, thank you very much.

[OneMoreFarang]

She should be in jail. And her brother should be in jail. They are both wanted criminals.

Nobody should even listen to wanted criminals. 

 

[holy cow cm]

3 hours ago, WineOh said:

I was on the streets at sala daeng in 2010 and sanam luang in 2013.

 

Where were you????

I was and it was fun.

[holy cow cm]

Hasn't bozo done a lot of rice scheme payouts himself?

[bermondburi]

3 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Not really.  Some are massively corrupt, others, not so much. 

 

Obviously, they didn't do a decent job or they'd still be here running the country! ????

They didn't do a decent job for the right people. Did win the election fair and square though, just like her brother.