Who will never vaccinate except if forced to for visa reasons ? and do you think that they will force us ?

[metisdead]

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[Liebemein]

8 minutes ago, codemonkey said:

Until the vaccine prevents break-thru infections how can anyone say it is useful or necessary for healthy folks when the CDC covid survival rates are 99.5% for those <70.

Yeah, how can anyone say it is useful?

I don't understand when you get vaccine, you don't need to do PCR test, what's the point of having vaccination or doing PCR test? Health care workers are having the 3rd dose, what's the point of having vaccine? Who get benefit of this healthy guarantee? The story of flu vaccine is similar, isn't it.

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46 minutes ago, codemonkey said:

I don't think anything is 100% confirmed one way or the other concerning any particular vaccines effectiveness at preventing covid spread, transmission. And long term effects of covid, so far NOTHING is 100% proven. Until the vaccine prevents break-thru infections how can anyone say it is useful or necessary for healthy folks when the CDC covid survival rates are 99.5% for those <70.

New studies suggest very little success in preventing the spread and the proof is continuing mask mandates. But, if you are vaxxed and think it protects you, that's all that matters, and therefore using your logic un-vaxxed people will pose no threat to the vaccinated.

You really believe that your failure to mention the vaccines' effectiveness against a little thing called "death" would go unnoticed?

27 minutes ago, Liebemein said:

Yeah, how can anyone say it is useful?

I don't understand when you get vaccine, you don't need to do PCR test, what's the point of having vaccination or doing PCR test? Health care workers are having the 3rd dose, what's the point of having vaccine? Who get benefit of this healthy guarantee? The story of flu vaccine is similar, isn't it.

Well, if life is useless, then you have a point. Otherwise, not so much.

 

US is split between the vaccinated and unvaccinated – and deaths and hospitalizations reflect this divide

On July 16, 2021, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky revealed that 99.5% of recent U.S. deaths from COVID-19 were of unvaccinated people. “Those deaths were preventable with a simple, safe shot,” she said. In Early July, Fauci said that 99.2% of people who died recently were unvaccinated. In the state of Maryland, every patient who died from COVID-19 in June was unvaccinated.

https://www.krqe.com/health/coronavirus/vaccine/us-is-split-between-the-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-and-deaths-and-hospitalizations-reflect-this-divide/

[Liebemein]

28 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You really believe that your failure to mention the vaccines' effectiveness against a little thing called "death" would go unnoticed?

Well, if life is useless, then you have a point. Otherwise, not so much.

 

US is split between the vaccinated and unvaccinated – and deaths and hospitalizations reflect this divide

On July 16, 2021, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky revealed that 99.5% of recent U.S. deaths from COVID-19 were of unvaccinated people. “Those deaths were preventable with a simple, safe shot,” she said. In Early July, Fauci said that 99.2% of people who died recently were unvaccinated. In the state of Maryland, every patient who died from COVID-19 in June was unvaccinated.

https://www.krqe.com/health/coronavirus/vaccine/us-is-split-between-the-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-and-deaths-and-hospitalizations-reflect-this-divide/

Vaccination or unvaccinate can spread the same. What's the point? I'm sure lives have a lot meaning for who are considering of having it.

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5 minutes ago, Liebemein said:

Vaccination or unvaccinate can spread the same. What's the point? I'm sure lives have a lot meaning for who are considering of having it.

So not dying and getting less severe symptoms is irrelevant? Low expectations much?

[Liebemein]

9 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So not dying and getting less severe symptoms is irrelevant? Low expectations much?

You googling very well. Have you got flu vaccine every year?

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19 minutes ago, Liebemein said:

You googling very well. Have you got flu vaccine every year?

I wish I could say the same of your attempted deflection.

[Liebemein]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

I wish I could say the same of your attempted deflection.

Let's do really simple googling. 

If you get flu vaccine every year, you do for only one year because someone tell you to get it to save your life or have mild symptoms. So you spend about 500 THB a year or gov pays it because gov is really nice to save people lives. 

Only you = 500 THB

66 million of Thai people = 33,000 million

Wow that's really good deal.

Next year you need to have it again because same reason and new varient.

Wow, money coming every year in someone pocket. 

Why haven't I need it?

 

 

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1 minute ago, Liebemein said:

Let's do really simple googling. 

If you get flu vaccine every year, you do for only one year because someone tell you to get it to save your life or have mild symptoms. So you spend about 500 THB a year or gov pays it because gov is really nice to save people lives. 

Only you = 500 THB

66 million of Thai people = 33,000 million

Wow that's really good deal.

Next year you need to have it again because same reason and new varient.

Wow, money coming every year in someone pocket. 

Why haven't I need it?

 

 

Good argument against buying health insurance.

[Liebemein]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Good argument against buying health insurance.

I'm telling the fact.

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Just now, Liebemein said:

I'm telling the fact.

What you're saying is because you're okay now, you always will be.

[Liebemein]

Just now, placeholder said:

What you're saying is because you're okay now, you always will be.

Aren't you ok, are you?

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2 minutes ago, Liebemein said:

Aren't you ok, are you?

And a further deflection by trying to make it personal. The fact is, you have no answer for the fact that getting vaccinated drastically reduces one's chance of dying or suffering severe illness compared to those who don't get vaccinated. And now you're just shoveling up garbage to attempt to deflect from that. I got news for you: it's not working.

[Liebemein]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

And a further deflection by trying to make it personal. The fact is, you have no answer for the fact that getting vaccinated drastically reduces one's chance of dying or suffering severe illness compared to those who don't get vaccinated. And now you're just shoveling up garbage to attempt to deflect from that. I got news for you: it's not working.

You will be fine unless you are obesity, elderly, underlying, all these conditions are for every illness not only covid.

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Just now, Liebemein said:

You will be fine unless you are obesity, elderly, underlying, all these conditions are for every illness not only covid.

No, you won't be fine. Keep in mind that without the restriction that were in place, deaths and severe illness would have been much higher. They were very effective against influenza  And even if that were the case the only the cohorts you specified were afflicted,, the consequences of contracting covid are a lot more severe for those people than they are for most other widely spread viral illnesses.

[Liebemein]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

No, you won't be fine. Keep in mind that without the restriction that were in place, deaths and severe illness would have been much higher. They were very effective against influenza  And even if that were the case the only the cohorts you specified were afflicted,, the consequences of contracting covid are a lot more severe for those people than they are for most other widely spread viral illnesses.

You are really fear.

[DavisH]

On 8/5/2021 at 7:16 AM, meechai said:

555...classic over reaction as if there are no vac related deaths what so ever

 

In any case you can go to the Euro VAERS site & check data & yes there have been deaths reported

But as you said & so did I just because they died after vac does not mean vac caused it yada yada yada

 

Yet the opposite defense is always used to claim covid caused deaths

You internet doctors are funny

 

All else aside yes as I said Vaccines are doing well & reducing symptoms...It is to be expected after Billions

are vaccinated some will in fact die from it...

 

Here is another site for you but if it is not to your liking just go get the data yourself instead of trolling about

 

https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/european-agency-confirms-covid-19-vaccine-fatalities

 

 

You missed that part...:

The EMA says ‘These reports describe suspected side effects in individuals, i.e., medical events observed following the use of a vaccine. The fact that someone has had a medical issue or died after vaccination does not necessarily mean that the vaccine caused this.’

[richard_smith237]

4 hours ago, Liebemein said:

I'm telling the fact.

If you want facts, start with 66 million x 500 baht - clue, its not 33 million !

 

 

Influenza variants and Coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 are not the same - your argument is flawed from the moment you draw the comparison.

[richard_smith237]

4 hours ago, Liebemein said:

4 hours ago, placeholder said:

No, you won't be fine. Keep in mind that without the restriction that were in place, deaths and severe illness would have been much higher. They were very effective against influenza  And even if that were the case the only the cohorts you specified were afflicted,, the consequences of contracting covid are a lot more severe for those people than they are for most other widely spread viral illnesses.

You are really fear.

 

He has a healthy respect for the facts....  That is not fear.

[EVENKEEL]

8 hours ago, DavisH said:

You missed that part...:

The EMA says ‘These reports describe suspected side effects in individuals, i.e., medical events observed following the use of a vaccine. The fact that someone has had a medical issue or died after vaccination does not necessarily mean that the vaccine caused this.’

And yet if that same obese person with medical issues dies after contacting covid, then they died of covid. 

[cdemundo]

13 hours ago, driver52 said:

this new stuff is not a 'vaccine' in the traditional sense!

Is too.

[cdemundo]

9 hours ago, Liebemein said:

You will be fine unless you are obesity, elderly, underlying, all these conditions are for every illness not only covid.

Just curious, if you were to catch COVID would you be willing to forgo medical treatment to prove your point?

I think that would be quite sporting of you.

[cdemundo]

18 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

And yet if that same obese person with medical issues dies after contacting covid, then they died of covid. 

It does sound inconsistent doesn't it.

But a COVID patient who dies in the hospital has considerable documentation to determine cause of death.

A person who gets a shot and goes home and dies probably doesn't.

In any event the numbers give a pretty good idea.

A miilion people get shots, are the deaths out of line with deaths of a million people who didn't get shots over the time period?

 

 

[impulse]

On 8/5/2021 at 6:22 PM, cdemundo said:

Millions of data points for establishing safety and effectiveness.

I know, even still, they are only approved for emergency use.

Get back to us in a few years when we know the long term effects and the effects on the unborn...

 

For me at my age, the decision was simple.  I got the jab as soon as practical.  Pfizer.

 

To someone of child bearing age, I support whatever decision they make.  Even if it puts us old farts at risk.

 

[huangnon]

20 hours ago, cdemundo said:

Beside the point as we speak.

Why?, because the vaccines have been given to millions of human subjects.

Was there ever a clinical trial with even 100,000 subjects?

More data than any drug or medication ever tested I would guess.

Point is, talking about what was done or not done in the trials is pointless.

The information from actual real world use shows whether they are safe and effective.

If you look at all vaccines world wide it is more than a billion.

 

Time for you to fall back on "Yeah but who knows what will happen to vaccine recipients in 20 years?"

 

 

I'd say just 2-3 years. Let's just hope you're right, eh?

 

Like it or not, the vaccines and accompanying 'passports' to travel, gain access to shops, collect your pension, Universal Basic Income / whatever are going to be mandatory. 

[gk10012001]

17 hours ago, placnx said:

You don't seem to know much about medicine. Since when are there vaccines for Elephatitis, i.e. Elephantiasis, and Syphilis?

I never said there were vaccines for those.  My point was that there are diseases that are on the prohibited list.  You made the rest up

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8 hours ago, huangnon said:

I'd say just 2-3 years. Let's just hope you're right, eh?

 

Like it or not, the vaccines and accompanying 'passports' to travel, gain access to shops, collect your pension, Universal Basic Income / whatever are going to be mandatory. 

Alway impressive to be confronted with evidence snatched from the future. Can I take a ride in your time machine?

[richard_smith237]

9 hours ago, impulse said:

Get back to us in a few years when we know the long term effects and the effects on the unborn...

 

For me at my age, the decision was simple.  I got the jab as soon as practical.  Pfizer.

 

To someone of child bearing age, I support whatever decision they make.  Even if it puts us old farts at risk.

 

Your argument is readily countered with: What are the longterm effects of Covid and the effects on the unborn ????

 

To any female of child bearing age planning of having children, I also support whatever decision they make and would urge them to evaluate the known risks of contracting covid while unvaccinated vs the taking a vaccine the long term risks of which are uncertain yet based on the science unlikely to be of any consequence. 

 

 

 

 

[Liebemein]

10 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I'm not suggesting that the ‘Vaccine didn’t directly kill’ the doctor.  

 

But, did the ‘vaccine actually kill the doctor ?'

 

You see... 1 in 1000 people die from Thrombosis every year. 

In Thailand along 1024 people die every day (from various causes)

In the EU 12,700 people die each day (from various causes)

 

Thus: It stands to reason that in a period of mass vaccine roll out some of those people will die within a close time frame of taking a vaccine. Some of those people will also fall down the stairs or have a car accident. 

 

The point I want to make is that we need to be very careful about proportioning blame directly to the vaccine when that could simple be coincidental. 

 

When I was 36 I had a pulmonary Embolism (it could have killed me), a friend recently had a DVT, that could have killed him (if it migrated to P.E.)....  Had we just taken the vaccine it would be very easy to add 2+2 and come with with “holy sh!tballs batman, the vaccine is dangerous !!!” ....  

 

..... What we really need to know in these cases is... Was a postmortem carried out and was the vaccine directly responsible for the death, or medical situation causing death, OR, is the Wife blaming the vaccine for no other reason than he’d recently had the vaccine’.... 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How are you so sure how many people die from covid? They probably forget about other diseases these days. Think think ??? Why??? Many severe cases couldn't reach the have appropriate treatments because couldn't refer to bigger hospitals and everyone need PCR test. So necessary to count a covid case than save people lives.

You probably googling a lot than realistic, common sense even scientific knowledge. Try harder. 

"Anyone can test positive for practically anything with a PCR test, if you run it long enough, with PCR if you do it well, you can find almost anything, in anybody, It doesn't tell you if you're sick"

— Kary Mullis, (Nobel Prize-winning biochemist who invented the PCR test).

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3 hours ago, Liebemein said:

How are you so sure how many people die from covid? They probably forget about other diseases these days. Think think ??? Why??? Many severe cases couldn't reach the have appropriate treatments because couldn't refer to bigger hospitals and everyone need PCR test. So necessary to count a covid case than save people lives.

You probably googling a lot than realistic, common sense even scientific knowledge. Try harder. 

"Anyone can test positive for practically anything with a PCR test, if you run it long enough, with PCR if you do it well, you can find almost anything, in anybody, It doesn't tell you if you're sick"

— Kary Mullis, (Nobel Prize-winning biochemist who invented the PCR test).

Kary Mullis also believed that AIDS wasn't caused by the HIV virus. He was a crank. A brilliant guy but a crank. And he died quite a while back. He would have had no idea of how sophisticated PCR testing has become.