44 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Kids get sick and die from Covid, so vaccination is a good thing.

 

Would you get your kid vaccinated for measles or polio?

Measles and polio vaccines have been around and tested for decades.  Therein lies the difference.

19 minutes ago, wadman said:

Measles and polio vaccines have been around and tested for decades.  Therein lies the difference.

So you would take the Covid vaccine when it has been around for some time? 

3 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

It is good for the kids. And even better for all of us. No reason not to vaccinate children. Even the FDA agrees with that.

Is that for the good of all, or for the good of the kids though?

 

Take a look at this graph of all covid deaths in the US since the pandemic began, broken down by age groups.

0-17 year olds only had 513 death (out of 712,930).  That's 0.07% of all deaths.

For the next 2 age groups, 18-29: 0.5% of all deaths, and 30-39: 1.6% of all deaths.  Not very high either.  It's the older folks that really get whacked.

 

I am 50. 

Hypothetically:

 - if my age group had 0.07% of the deaths

 - and the 2 age groups below me had a very low % of deaths

 - and the 2 age groups above me had a very low % of deaths

I would not get vaccinated.

 

• COVID-19 deaths by age U.S. 2021 | Statista

 

10 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

So you would take the Covid vaccine when it has been around for some time? 

I have had 1 dose already.  I am not in the children's age group.  My point is (and the point of the OP), should children take a fasttracked/rushed vaccine, with their risk of serious illness and death being such a minute percentage of the total?

6 minutes ago, wadman said:

I have had 1 dose already.  I am not in the children's age group.  My point is (and the point of the OP), should children take a fasttracked/rushed vaccine, with their risk of serious illness and death being such a minute percentage of the total?

No other group spreads disease as much as children.

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

No other group spreads disease as much as children.

Then people at risk, should stay away from them, and anyone else they feel is a threat to 'their' health.  

 

I'm not changing my life, because people are scared of everybody and everything.  The paranoid can hide from living, not me.

45 minutes ago, wadman said:

Measles and polio vaccines have been around and tested for decades.  Therein lies the difference.

BS.

That is not the difference.

The number of doses administered in the hundreds of thousands.

Results are in, the most studied vaccines ever with so many doses.

 

Current vaccines have similar ingredients to past vaccines, (they are not just a wad of mRNA).

In past vaccines side effects have manifest in the first 4 to 6 weeks after vaccination.

The RNA and resulting spike proteins are gone from the body in days or weeks at most.

Medications that have caused sided effects have been taken daily or multiple times a day over weeks, months or years.

The drug ingredients were in the body constantly in high concentrations for long periods of time.

 

The vaccines are very safe.

Compare the number of vaccines administered in the US to the US VAERS reports which are completely unfiltered and unverified. You get a fraction of 1% of reports compared to the number of vaccines administered.

 

If you are saying "Even still..." you are applying magical thinking or a tribal mindset.

If you were really concerned with learning the truth about vaccines you would have found out exactly what I have just said.

Not getting the vaccine? 

Best of luck to you.

Yet another graph highlighting the incredible difference in deaths by age group.

 

2 age groups (75-84 and 85+) account for 6.9% of the total population, but they account for 55.7% of all deaths.

 

Children (0-17) account for 22.3% of the population, they account for a miniscule 0.07% of all deaths. (note: the 0.1% in the graph is rounded up from 0.07%, as you can see in my previous graph)

 

• Share of total COVID-19 deaths by age U.S. 2021 | Statista

 

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Then people at risk, should stay away from them, and anyone else they feel is a threat to 'their' health.  

 

I'm not changing my life, because people are scared of everybody and everything.  The paranoid can hide from living, not me.

I would suggest you work on your GoFundMe page now, before you are infected. Hospitalization for Covid can be very expensive, and anti-Vaxx and Deniers are filling up hospitals now, most of them repenting a little too late.

 

You don’t know who is infected, and who isn’t. The way to solve that problem is to vaccinate as many people as possible, so we get down to people who cannot be vaccinated due to illness, and they don’t get out much. 

On 7/28/2021 at 10:41 AM, salsajapan said:

This Thai boy is smart and knows a lot more than most old foreigners in this country !

I support him and will also never vaccinate !

People who do not want to die just have to protect themselves !

Do you know anybody smart who got covid ? I DON'T ! All people that I know who got covid didn't do half of the correct things to protect themselves.

Happy to find some smart Thai people !

 

 

Never found one before ?

5 hours ago, wadman said:

Yet another graph highlighting the incredible difference in deaths by age group.

 

2 age groups (75-84 and 85+) account for 6.9% of the total population, but they account for 55.7% of all deaths.

 

Children (0-17) account for 22.3% of the population, they account for a miniscule 0.07% of all deaths. (note: the 0.1% in the graph is rounded up from 0.07%, as you can see in my previous graph)

 

• Share of total COVID-19 deaths by age U.S. 2021 | Statista

 

A big part of the push to vaccinate children is to slow the entire spread of the pandemic.   Children are at lower risk of serious and illness or death, but it does happen.  Children, however, are a perfect reservoir to keep the virus active, alive and circulating.   It's not that Covid is so terribly deadly, but it is very transmissible and until we slow the spread drastically, it is going to be a HUGE burden on the medical facilities.  

Children can and do have problems associated with the vaccine, but they are extremely rare.  The most commonly discussed is myocarditis, but even though it happens on rare occasions and mostly in males, it is 37 times more common in unvaccinated youth.  

Children should probably be vaccinated for their own benefit and the benefit of public health.   Risk factors should always be considered in vaccinating youth but it should be done on a case-by-case basis.  

 

covid studies which deal with symptoms & hospitalizations but not deaths ……why are they incomplete ?:….like above UK PHE study….need to see Deaths…..a 10% hosp. rate with AZ might well mean zero % death rate ? required knowledge for proper vaxx selection and confidence.

3 hours ago, Scott said:

A big part of the push to vaccinate children is

 

nothing but increased profits for big pharma.

8 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Then people at risk, should stay away from them, and anyone else they feel is a threat to 'their' health.  

 

I'm not changing my life, because people are scared of everybody and everything.  The paranoid can hide from living, not me.

You don't seem to understand how this virus spreads or mutates. Some don't know they have it, refuse to mask up, and spread it around. Plus, the unvaccinated are perfect places for it to mutate. Potentially creating a variant we can't deal with.

 

The world for the unvaccinated is getting together and tougher. Smaller and smaller.

2 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

nothing but increased profits for big pharma.

BS. Stop with the conspiracy theories. Several big pharma lost a lot as their products didn't work.

“Sadly, the unvaccinated by choice are one of the biggest problems now.Delta kills everyone.”

 

seriously ? are they ? does it ? would never have known …….

My post was about how we must vaxx kids against Delta.

and that unvaxxed adults must “take their chances”. with their lives / freedoms/ jobs/ society.

The “problem” they represent to the vaxxed, herd immunity and health systems can never be resolved without undemocratic extreme group measures such as treatment denial, forcible vaxx or isolation, which I cant see ever happening. so it is what it is.

 

vaxxed / healthy have made a maximum effort. so personally I can no longer pointlessly care about these unvaxxed adult fools or their societal impact …. govt law action urgently required to penalize these idiots so incentivize them to vaxx.

nothing but increased profits for big pharma.

“BS. Stop with the conspiracy theories. Several big pharma lost a lot as their products didn't work.”

 

yes and the AZ vax was non-profit.  “nothing but increased profits for big pharma” then an outright LIE. and even if true, so what !? without Profits these pharmas would not exist…….

BS ... that's funny

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/covid-vaccines-create-9-new-billionaires-combined-wealth-greater-cost-vaccinating

"At least nine people have become new billionaires since the beginning of the COVID pandemic, thanks to the excessive profits pharmaceutical corporations with monopolies on COVID vaccines are making"

2 hours ago, KhunLA said:

BS ... that's funny

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/covid-vaccines-create-9-new-billionaires-combined-wealth-greater-cost-vaccinating

"At least nine people have become new billionaires since the beginning of the COVID pandemic, thanks to the excessive profits pharmaceutical corporations with monopolies on COVID vaccines are making"

Congrats to them for developing vaccines that are saving millions of lives. Capitalism at it's best.

8 hours ago, KhunLA said:

BS ... that's funny

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/covid-vaccines-create-9-new-billionaires-combined-wealth-greater-cost-vaccinating

"At least nine people have become new billionaires since the beginning of the COVID pandemic, thanks to the excessive profits pharmaceutical corporations with monopolies on COVID vaccines are making"

What don't you understand about the fact that many big Pharma companies failed to make a successful covid-19 vaccine?

26 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What don't you understand about the fact that many big Pharma companies failed to make a successful covid-19 vaccine?

Not that I don't understand, I simply don't care.  They wasted enough of my, check that, other's tax dollars, as I stopped paying years ago.  Billions given for R&D to big pharm, then sold back at a profit.  All to treat a virus with 97.5 - 99.9% recovery rate, depending where you live.

 

I can think of much better & useful ways to spend billions, and save millions of lives every year, children's lives that die every year from the simplest to avoid or cure, but not as profitable for big corporations.

 

What's the body count for covid, hit 5 mill yet.  That many children under the age of 5 die every year.  READ THAT AGAIN.  5 million under the age of 5 years old, DIE EVERY YEAR, from preventable / curable diseased.  Many simply because they don't have clean water to drink.

 

How many billions have we spent, to attempt (not succeed) in keeping the 65+ yr olds from dying from a new virus, who were on borrowed time to begin with.  Seems to be as useless as the annual flu vaccine.

 

Call me crazy, but our priorities are    a s s   backwards.  Too busy making profits selling useless vaccines, hand sanitizer, temp scanners & masks for billions of profit, instead of fixing simple problems with simple solutions to save millions of children.  Oh yea, THEY DIE EVERY YEAR

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/children-reducing-mortality

 

25 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Not that I don't understand, I simply don't care.  They wasted enough of my, check that, other's tax dollars, as I stopped paying years ago.  Billions given for R&D to big pharm, then sold back at a profit.  All to treat a virus with 97.5 - 99.9% recovery rate, depending where you live.

 

I can think of much better & useful ways to spend billions, and save millions of lives every year, children's lives that die every year from the simplest to avoid or cure, but not as profitable for big corporations.

 

What's the body count for covid, hit 5 mill yet.  That many children under the age of 5 die every year.  READ THAT AGAIN.  5 million under the age of 5 years old, DIE EVERY YEAR, from preventable / curable diseased.  Many simply because they don't have clean water to drink.

 

How many billions have we spent, to attempt (not succeed) in keeping the 65+ yr olds from dying from a new virus, who were on borrowed time to begin with.  Seems to be as useless as the annual flu vaccine.

 

Call me crazy, but our priorities are    a s s   backwards.  Too busy making profits selling useless vaccines, hand sanitizer, temp scanners & masks for billions of profit, instead of fixing simple problems with simple solutions to save millions of children.  Oh yea, THEY DIE EVERY YEAR

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/children-reducing-mortality

 

Good gosh. What a rant.

18 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Then people at risk, should stay away from them, and anyone else they feel is a threat to 'their' health.  

 

I'm not changing my life, because people are scared of everybody and everything.  The paranoid can hide from living, not me.

You do understand that a great many Thai households are multi-generational? I know that you are Thai so your wilful misunderstanding of this point baffles me.  The kids will frequently pass the virus on to their grand parents who will likely die, vaccinated or not.

 

The whole argument that the kids won't get sick or "I won't get sick" sickens me tbh. Those who make it are very well aware that it isn't just about themselves but they make the argument anyway. It's narcissism, plain and simple.

 

To answer the OP's question, the question will soon be moot. Those who don't get vaccinated will be ostracised more and more and won't be able to do jack sparrow until they get vaccinated. Already, large numbers of police and teachers are being stood down without pay in my country, they can't go to sports or fly anywhere.

Inflammatory post and reply removed.

 

The choice is to follow the advice of medical professionals and get vaccinated, or follow the advice of some idiot on Facebook.

4 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

The choice is to follow the advice of medical professionals

And yet, so many healthcare workers are not getting vaccinated.   FDA, WHO, and manufacturers are pushing the vaccination, not the medical society.  IF at risk, then maybe a good idea if applies to you.  But healthy under 60 or 65 yrs old, that's just silly.

5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

And yet, so many healthcare workers are not getting vaccinated.   FDA, WHO, and manufacturers are pushing the vaccination, not the medical society.  IF at risk, then maybe a good idea if applies to you.  But healthy under 60 or 65 yrs old, that's just silly.

What does "so many" mean in numerical terms? Got a percentage for that?

 

And medical society isn't pushing vaccinations? You sure about that?

 

AMA: Time to mandate COVID-19 vaccination is now

https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/ama-time-mandate-covid-19-vaccination-now

 

Audiey Kao, MD, PhD, on mandating vaccines for health care workers

AMA's position is that nonmedical exemptions, such as religious or philosophic objections to vaccinations, endanger the health of the unvaccinated individual and those whom the individual comes in contact with, so the AMA supports legislation eliminating nonmedical exemptions from immunizations

https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/public-health/audiey-kao-md-phd-mandating-vaccines-health-care-workers

10 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

And yet, so many healthcare workers are not getting vaccinated.   FDA, WHO, and manufacturers are pushing the vaccination, not the medical society.  IF at risk, then maybe a good idea if applies to you.  But healthy under 60 or 65 yrs old, that's just silly.

That’s actually obsolete anti-vax propaganda. You need to update your talking points. 

 

The vast majority of health care workers in the US are vaccinated, and the higher the education level, the higher the vaccination rate. 

 

Physicians overwhelmingly recommend vaccination. The AMA is a strong advocate for the research, testing and distribution of vaccines to contain the spread of COVID-19.

15 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

You do understand the vaccine does NOT prevent you from getting or transmitting the virus.

If the vaccine prevents symptoms, i.e. coughing over everyone near you in a crowd, then it might make sense that it significantly reduces the risk of transmission. Also vaccinated people who do become technically 'infected' recover and viral loads are reduced in their bodies much faster, again thereby reducing the risk of transmission. simply on a duration of infection metric.

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