Rottweiler owner reneges on compensation agreement after nine year old boy is savaged by three dogs

[shackleton]

How many times have we heard of  incidents involving these dogs

Owners should be prosecuted fined jailed if their dogs are involved in harming people if causing serious injuries 

Plus the dogs should be put down 

[KhunLA]

23 minutes ago, clivebaxter said:

Not this old no bad dogs just bad owner myth again, these dogs are natural born killers nothing to do with how stupid the owners are.

I've played with a few of those natural born killers, and only fear was being slobbered on to death.

[ncc1701d]

[quote]But since the agreement was made the dogs' owner has said he is only prepared to pay 200,000 baht and said he is prepared to go to prison if pressed for more.[/quote]

 

it’s my understanding that going to jail would not take away his obligation to pay - is that right?

[Purdey]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Puppies AND adults need socialization, exercise and stimulating mental challenges. With these things, you will have a wonderful companion"

Never heard of anyone savaged by a poodle or dachshund. In Hollywood films rottweilers always play the guard dog. Maybe it's their reputation.

A dog, I think it was a German Shepherd, once bit the head off another dog live on British TV. Of course these former wolves are absolutely safe.

 

[Card]

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

When will people learn that it's nothing to do with the breed? It is how they are raised. Whether it's a Rottweiler, Ridgeback, PitBull, Doberman, German Shephard or whatever, they are all capable of inflicting very serious injuries and therefore need to be trained, socialized and not left to roam free in packs causing chaos in the villages.

 

Focusing on the breed just reinforces lazy stereotypes and shifts blame from where it should be placed - The Owner.

 

 

It's like saying, it's not guns that kill, it's the owners. Therefore let there be guns.

[billsmart]

What kind of "agreement" was it, and why would the father be "going to the media" to have it enforced? Why isn't he going to the police or to court? The article says it was done in conjunction with the police. If so, then the "agreement" must have some legal validity and can be enforced. If it is a legal agreement and the owner of the dogs refused to honor it, he could have his bank accounts and property seized to pay it off, and yes, he could be sent to jail.

 

As for the incident, I read that son was fishing, which is attempting to hook fish in their mouths, drag them through the water, stick a rope through their mouth and out their gills, and leave them floundering around in the water in an attempt to keep them alive so they can then have their bellies slit open, their organs removed, and finally left to die. 

So, I don't have a lot of sympathy for the son being attacked by some dogs.

[KhunLA]

3 minutes ago, Card said:

It's like saying, it's not guns that kill, it's the owners. Therefore let there be guns.

So we should ban the ownership of some dogs.

All firearms

And ALL MOTOR VEHICLES ... got it ... ????????

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[lesmac]

5 hours ago, Dmaxdan said:

 The dogs need to be put down, closely followed by the owner. 

 

 

The dog may possibly be retrained the owner not, so only one needs put down for now

 

[dallen52]

And what part do the BIB play in this?

Surely they would be fighting to secure a slice of the pie?

 

Maybe not...

[scorecard]

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

When will people learn that it's nothing to do with the breed? It is how they are raised. Whether it's a Rottweiler, Ridgeback, PitBull, Doberman, German Shephard or whatever, they are all capable of inflicting very serious injuries and therefore need to be trained, socialized and not left to roam free in packs causing chaos in the villages.

 

Focusing on the breed just reinforces lazy stereotypes and shifts blame from where it should be placed - The Owner.

 

 

What about some comment from you folks on the owner reniging on the agreed compensation!

 

I hope eventually the dog owner is forced by court order to pay the full agreed amount and more if needed for the medical treatment of the little boy. And I hope the little boy regians full use of his limbs etc., and the scars from his his wounds can be much minimalized. 

 

 

[d2b2]

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

When will people learn that it's nothing to do with the breed? It is how they are raised. Whether it's a Rottweiler, Ridgeback, PitBull, Doberman, German Shephard or whatever, they are all capable of inflicting very serious injuries and therefore need to be trained, socialized and not left to roam free in packs causing chaos in the villages.

 

Focusing on the breed just reinforces lazy stereotypes and shifts blame from where it should be placed - The Owner.

 

 

Well it is pretty obvious that the owner in this case is a sad sack piece of…

[swm59nj]

Grant his wish and put him in prison.  
When I was still living in America a number of years ago I parked my car and went for a walk.  
Then these two loose dogs appeared.  One was a Rottweiler,  the other a German Shepard.  Both full grown. No collars . And believe me I was scared.  They both came up to me.  And started walking with me one on each side.  The Rottweiler let me pet him.  The German Shepherd was skittish.  They just kept walking with me one on each side.
When I finally reached my car. I opened the door to get in.  The dogs started jumping around like they were going for a ride.  I got in quickly and closed the door.  The dogs looked at me,  then walked away.  

That was an unusual occurrence.  And I was lucky the dogs weren’t aggressive.

I did call animal control.  Especially since there was an elementary school a few blocks away.  The officer called me later .  He said he saw dogs .  Called to them and they came running over.  He said he opened the cap of the pickup truck he had, they jumped right in.

But owners need to control their dogs.  And yes certain breeds are more riskier than others.

Edited March 15, 2022 by swm59nj

[Bangkok Barry]

6 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

6 hours ago, webfact said:

But since the agreement was made the dogs' owner has said he is only prepared to pay 200,000 baht and said he is prepared to go to prison if pressed for more.

Off you go then.

And keep him there until it's paid. And as he didn't honour the agreement to pay 1.3 million make it the 3 million that the father asked for.

[peter zwart]

Yep, dont touch their money. 

[peter zwart]

And yes, Rottweilers are very dominant dogs and need strong guidance. But if you raised them on the proper way they are wonderful dogs. I had one and he was many times in the middle of lots of kids. No problem at all.

[Tropposurfer]

5 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Every owner will vouch that their Rottweiler and other aggressive dogs are well trained and good nature until incident like this happened. There must be good reasons why certain countries banned entry of these aggressive dogs and those already in the country have very strict rules on keeping them like need to be on the lead and muzzled. Thailand must review those laws on keeping such kind of dogs as incidents like this has been re-occurring too often and little legal recourse for the victims. 

here here!

[digger70]

6 hours ago, Will B Good said:

This kind of dog, in particular, should never be off their leads in public and should always wear a collar.

 

The few times I have encountered rottweilers they have come across as vicious and uncontrollable.

My son had one ,It went Bad So he Shot the mongrel before it could hurt his kids. 

They seem to get mad sometimes wen they 1 to 2 years old .

They say its a Problem with breeding keeping the blood line.

[CM Dad]

The owner should have been charged, arrested and prosecuted.  Any assets he has should be seized to pay all medical costs for the boy along with a very large compensation.  The paltry sum of 1.3 million baht is not even close to what the poor young boy needs to receive.

[Tropposurfer]

I know the story I now tell is not directly about LOS, or the terrible violation of this child by dogs here in LOS but I feel it is both instructive and dovetails into many of the comments made here by other posters.

I know some one who was gifted a Rottie about a year ago in Australia. This man had a ridgeback some years before as his lone dog. 

I received photos of the puppy and news of it being gifted to him out of love by his daughter.

I enquired was the owner going to take the puppy to 'puppy school', perhaps to join in with any dog owners in the area to socialise and train the animal.

He said no he was going to train the animal. Im had bad feelings about this and saw on a visit how the fella had no clue how to raise and train any dog let alone a massive Rottie.

I never saw (in my month of seeing the dog and the owner) the dog walked by him, never, absolutely no contact at all with other dogs. Hopeless, contradictory, negative reinforcing training, and what I had feared happening came to pass ... was this dog used as a tool to control others and strike fear into all in order to make the owner feel in control and dominate his environment through the dog.

Since then I have learnt the dog now being a year and a bit old confronts anyone who enters the gated property, barks and grows aggressively at any and everyone, is dominant and shows this dominance by jumping on, mouthing to the int of drawing blood, and grabbing limbs, biting to the face when it jumps up on people, hands etc, and does not follow any form of command by its owner.

I tell this as a way to emphasise just how many people have zero clue about raising dogs and raising dogs that are a clear and present danger to others.

[paulikens]

most thai dog owners are the worse owners in the world. they just let their dogs go off where ever they like when they're at their homes.   

[Will B Good]

5 minutes ago, Tropposurfer said:

I know the story I now tell is not directly about LOS, or the terrible violation of this child by dogs here in LOS but I feel it is both instructive and dovetails into many of the comments made here by other posters.

I know some one who was gifted a Rottie about a year ago in Australia. This man had a ridgeback some years before as his lone dog. 

I received photos of the puppy and news of it being gifted to him out of love by his daughter.

I enquired was the owner going to take the puppy to 'puppy school', perhaps to join in with any dog owners in the area to socialise and train the animal.

He said no he was going to train the animal. Im had bad feelings about this and saw on a visit how the fella had no clue how to raise and train any dog let alone a massive Rottie.

I never saw (in my month of seeing the dog and the owner) the dog walked by him, never, absolutely no contact at all with other dogs. Hopeless, contradictory, negative reinforcing training, and what I had feared happening came to pass ... was this dog used as a tool to control others and strike fear into all in order to make the owner feel in control and dominate his environment through the dog.

Since then I have learnt the dog now being a year and a bit old confronts anyone who enters the gated property, barks and grows aggressively at any and everyone, is dominant and shows this dominance by jumping on, mouthing to the int of drawing blood, and grabbing limbs, biting to the face when it jumps up on people, hands etc, and does not follow any form of command by its owner.

I tell this as a way to emphasise just how many people have zero clue about raising dogs and raising dogs that are a clear and present danger to others.

...........add to this the climate here, which dogs must struggle to cope with, owners who don't exercise their dogs and you have a receipt for a mauling.

 

Stayed in Ari last year and someone was keeping to huge Siberian Huskies in a cage in their compound. The dogs had just enough room to turn around and stand up......absolutely heartbreaking.

[mrfill]

4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Lies, damn lies, and statistics. Those statistics could just as easily be attributed to the demographics of the owners (certain dogs become fashionable or useful to criminals, drug dealers etc.) and the physical strength of the dogs in question, rather than the nature or temperament of the dogs. Of course Mastiffs and Rottweilers will have a higher number of fatal attacks than a Chihuahua because a Chihuahua is virtually incapable of killing a human. It doesn't mean they have an inherently better nature. 

 

It's like saying that if Black people are over represented in prison then it is because there is something inherently bad with black people, instead of looking at factors such as their social economic status, their level of education, higher proportion of absent fathers etc.

 

Your analysis of the statistics is overly simplistic and lacks any kind of nuance. It's lazy and just reinforces the classic stereotypes. 

The analysis within the article states "

According to their review, studies indicate breed is not a dependable marker or predictor of dangerous behavior in dogs. Better and more reliable indicators include owner behavior, training, sex, neuter status, dog’s location (urban vs. rural), and even varying ownership trends over the passing of time or geographic location. 

For example, they note that often pit bull-type dogs are reported in severe and fatal attacks. However, the reason is likely not related to the breed. Instead, it is likely because they are kept in certain high-risk neighborhoods and likely owned by individuals who may use them for dog fights or have involvement in criminal or violent acts. "

 

but then who reads beyond the pictures?

[Boomer6969]

6 hours ago, KhunLA said:

aside from a snap or 2, if you encroached her space.

And will you pay for the rabies shots, and other ancillary costs?

Edited March 15, 2022 by Boomer6969

[geisha]

All very well, but this talk’ isn’t helping the poor father of the victim who might live with serious consequences for the rest of his life.  What can the father do , would it be possible for him to sue the man in court and win, hopefully a bigger amount to help his sons future ? 

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, geisha said:

All very well, but this talk’ isn’t helping the poor father of the victim who might live with serious consequences for the rest of his life.  What can the father do , would it be possible for him to sue the man in court and win, hopefully a bigger amount to help his sons future ? 

Going to court is the challenge thrown down by the owner of the dogs...........takes a brave man (sorry, rich man) to contemplate that course of action in Thailand.

[kensisaket]

A couple of antifreeze laced hotdogs will take care of the dog problem.  As for the dog(s) owner his willingness to accept prison time seems like a reasonable solution. I'd say 2 years for every surgery the victim has had to endure is about right.  

[Aussieroaming]

Take the dog owner to a pig farm and stake him out. Let him understand what it feels like to be helpless while an animal is chewing on his ass. Its cheaper than prison and teaches him a deep life lesson.

[Will B Good]

2 minutes ago, kensisaket said:

A couple of antifreeze laced hotdogs will take care of the dog problem.  As for the dog(s) owner his willingness to accept prison time seems like a reasonable solution. I'd say 2 years for every surgery the victim has had to endure is about right.  

If you have time I would edit the first line.........!!!!

[Reigntax]

7 hours ago, JonnyF said:

When will people learn that it's nothing to do with the breed? It is how they are raised. Whether it's a Rottweiler, Ridgeback, PitBull, Doberman, German Shephard or whatever, they are all capable of inflicting very serious injuries and therefore need to be trained, socialized and not left to roam free in packs causing chaos in the villages.

 

Focusing on the breed just reinforces lazy stereotypes and shifts blame from where it should be placed - The Owner.

 

 

Although I’m yet to hear of a child savaged by 3 sausage dogs so the type and size provides a potential danger.

Edited March 15, 2022 by Reigntax

[oobar]

4 hours ago, Danilo said:

Unbelievable all the people who complain about those dog breed. According to the statistic Bla Bla Bla. Honestly 45 people died by rottweiler? 45? Yeah it's bad and should not happen and I would be more than angry if it would happen to my family. But how many people get killed by other people in Thailand daily? Should all Thais get killed now? I don't think so and nobody really thinks about that. But yeah dogs are all bad when belong to a certain breed... Come on, wake up. I have a rottweiler and we have kids. Yes he is protective so what. I never heard anyone complaining that rottweiler are used by the police. Again, it's always the owners and not the dog. A small dog is easy able to bite a kids neck and can cause serious injury too. My wife is scared of snakes and snakes kill more people every year than any dog does, so we should kill all snakes now... ????

Is there some logic in this rambling rant somewhere?  If so, I seem to have missed it.