Special master appointed to review documents from Mar-a-Lago search; DOJ request to revive criminal probe rejected

[Chomper Higgot]

I commented in another thread that as this investigation progresses, Trump’s supporters will cry foul, reject reality and claim a ‘set up’ at every strep along the way.

 

The very people who objected to that prediction are doing precisely what I said they would do.

 

Trump was right about one thing and one thing only.

 

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?" 
 

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Evidence?  

The stuff Trump has petitioned the court for a ‘Special Master’ over.

But let’s not pretend you are going to accept evidence.

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

*Deleted post edited out*

 

Yet its not just the NYT and the National records where even pre warning Trump in 2017!

 

National Archives officials have periodically warned White House lawyers that the Trump administration needs to follow document preservation laws

 

 

 

 

Edited September 18, 2022 by Scott

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36 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Evidence?  

The evidence has already been cited. Your stance seems to be that anything is possible. Even that with all those boxloads and boxloads of papers removed from Mar a Lago, none of them will stand up as actual evidence. You should exploit your way of thinking in a positive way. Buy that lottery ticket. Who's to say you won't win the grand prize?

[nauseus]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The evidence has already been cited. Your stance seems to be that anything is possible. Even that with all those boxloads and boxloads of papers removed from Mar a Lago, none of them will stand up as actual evidence. You should exploit your way of thinking in a positive way. Buy that lottery ticket. Who's to say you won't win the grand prize?

My stance is that even now, nobody knows exactly what was found, what might be allowed as evidence and what that evidence might mean in court. Now I will retire for the day and watch the soccer before I'm accused of trolling again.

[metisdead]

Some troll posts have been removed.  Please stop using the Laughing emoji as a method to troll other members. 

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11 minutes ago, nauseus said:

My stance is that even now, nobody knows exactly what was found, what might be allowed as evidence and what that evidence might mean in court. Now I will retire for the day and watch the soccer before I'm accused of trolling again.

First off, it's very unlikely we're ever going to know exactly what was found that was classified. Because, you know, it's classified. And once again, the standards you are setting are unattainably high. At least, in this world.

[Bkk Brian]

58 minutes ago, nauseus said:

So says Politico.  

Wait so you ask for evidence, NYT is provided with its direct sources as is Politico. Best you stick on Truth Social or Fox news where evidence is not a prerequisite

Edited September 18, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[ballpoint]

Is anyone else thinking this could spectacularly blow up in Trump's face?  Given the credentials of the appointed Special Master, Raymond Dearie, the chance exists that, upon reviewing a few of the top secret documents, he realises just how vital it is to continue investigations into Trump's theft of them, and roundly turns on Trump, his lawyers and the judge who appointed him.  That said, regardless of how Dearie works, and how brilliantly he may go about it, it doesn't really matter how brilliant the surgeon who amputated your leg was if you didn't actually need your leg amputated.

 

In one of the best summations of what is currently happening, Lawrence O'Donnell also points out that the judges order (which is based on her doubting that the documents - retrieved from Mar-a-Lago under a search warrant, and identified by the FBI and DOJ as being classified - are really classified), specifically allows Trump's lawyers to examine them along with the Special Master.  Needless to say, they have no security clearance what so ever.  This whole situation - the retrieval of top secret documents from a privately owned residence, which also happens to be open to the public, and the investigation into who had access to them - is moving further and further towards the farcical, while exposing just how idiotic it is to appoint federal judges based on their politics.  While it is unlikely that anyone considered the scenario where a judge must make a ruling on a defendant who appointed her to her position, one would hope that a review of the procedure for appointing judges is conducted following this investigation and, at the very least, that judge is automatically recused from such a case.  

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 9/17/2022 at 3:34 PM, KanchanaburiGuy said:

The DOJ isn't paid to be "impartial." Judges and juries are expected to be; prosecutors are not. 

 

Having the right to mount a defense is how we balance out the inherent partiality of the prosecutor's role, going so far as to provide and pay for a defense attorney, should a person not be able to, on their own.

"Justice" is supposed to be impartial. That the department employs prosecutors is irrelevant to how the department is run, or it should be renamed "Department of prosecutions".

[thaibeachlovers]

On 9/17/2022 at 3:46 PM, herfiehandbag said:

To me, perhaps an innocent abroad but I don't know; using a judge to ensure that material which the prosecuting authority obtained legally cannot even be examined to seeing it is evidence of the alleged crime, does sound a teeny little bit like an admission of at least concern that it may reveal guilt?

IMO the reason for asking for a special master was to stop the leaks.

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, ballpoint said:

Is anyone else thinking this could spectacularly blow up in Trump's face?  Given the credentials of the appointed Special Master, Raymond Dearie, the chance exists that, upon reviewing a few of the top secret documents, he realises just how vital it is to continue investigations into Trump's theft of them, and roundly turns on Trump, his lawyers and the judge who appointed him. 

and the chance exists that he may comes to realise there is no there there to be getting excited about.

I know how much some want Trump to go down for something, but IMO it won't be this, which IMO is going to come back to bite some on the backside post the midterms.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

 Reminds me of the frequently posted here saying, nothing to hide nothing to fear.

 

Indeed.

IMO if Trump was actually worried about the documents being actual secrets, he'd have hidden them a bit better than leaving them lying around in his office.

[DezLez]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Indeed.

IMO if Trump was actually worried about the documents being actual secrets, he'd have hidden them a bit better than leaving them lying around in his office.

I fully agree that above describes the actions of a rational man, but please remember we are discussing Trump!

[thaibeachlovers]

18 minutes ago, DezLez said:

I fully agree that above describes the actions of a rational man, but please remember we are discussing Trump!

While Trump may not be your cup of tea, no one gets to be POTUS if they don't have any intelligence. It's a long journey to the polling station and those that are as bad as you think he is would never make it to the end.

In the end though, IMO he was just the less worst choice of candidate, which says a lot about American politics.

[heybruce]

27 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

While Trump may not be your cup of tea, no one gets to be POTUS if they don't have any intelligence. It's a long journey to the polling station and those that are as bad as you think he is would never make it to the end.

In the end though, IMO he was just the less worst choice of candidate, which says a lot about American politics.

 

Trump is a clever conman who is good at selling BS to gullible people.  That doesn't mean he has any knowledge of or respect for the rules of securing classified material.  His history of revealing classified indicates that he does not.

Edited September 19, 2022 by heybruce

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Indeed.

IMO if Trump was actually worried about the documents being actual secrets, he'd have hidden them a bit better than leaving them lying around in his office.

What makes you think Trump is at all concerned about other people’s secrets?

 

….. on second thoughts…

[Chomper Higgot]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO the reason for asking for a special master was to stop the leaks.

The public were totally unaware the FBI had searched Trump’s MaL home until Trump himself blasted it all over his failing ‘Truth Social’ scam-net.

[DezLez]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

no one gets to be POTUS if they don't have any intelligence.

I said nothing about his intelligence or lack thereof!

[Chomper Higgot]

19 minutes ago, DezLez said:

I said nothing about his intelligence or lack thereof!

Evidence of the intelligence or lack there of is one secret Trump could keep.

 

He went to extreme lengths to hide his academic records.

 

 

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

While Trump may not be your cup of tea, no one gets to be POTUS if they don't have any intelligence. It's a long journey to the polling station and those that are as bad as you think he is would never make it to the end.

In the end though, IMO he was just the less worst choice of candidate, which says a lot about American politics.

I would suggest that if Trump were intelligent, he wouldn't make choices that would put him at risk of imprisonment.

[Eric Loh]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

While Trump may not be your cup of tea, no one gets to be POTUS if they don't have any intelligence. It's a long journey to the polling station and those that are as bad as you think he is would never make it to the end.

In the end though, IMO he was just the less worst choice of candidate, which says a lot about American politics.

Sorry can't agree with you on the notion that he was the less worst choice of candidate. How can you reconcile the fact that he lost the popular vote by a massive 2.87 million votes to Clinton. 

[xylophone]

Quote Thaibeachlovers: While Trump may not be your cup of tea, no one gets to be POTUS if they don't have any intelligence.

 

Well trump did, and he's as dumb as a bag of rocks with the intellectual capacity of a pickled squid.

 

That he managed to hoodwink and con so many millions of people says more about the intelligence level of his supporters, which by the way is glaringly obvious in a couple of the stills taken at the Capitol Hill riot/break-in, and the QAnon followers who still believe in the nonsense posted on their site.

 

As for "may not be your cup of tea", I don't like liars, cheats, conmen and thieves, so he fails the "cup of tea test" on every front!

Edited September 19, 2022 by xylophone

[thaibeachlovers]

21 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Quote Thaibeachlovers: While Trump may not be your cup of tea, no one gets to be POTUS if they don't have any intelligence.

 

Well trump did, and he's as dumb as a bag of rocks with the intellectual capacity of a pickled squid.

 

That he managed to hoodwink and con so many millions of people says more about the intelligence level of his supporters, which by the way is glaringly obvious in a couple of the stills taken at the Capitol Hill riot/break-in, and the QAnon followers who still believe in the nonsense posted on their site.

 

As for "may not be your cup of tea", I don't like liars, cheats, conmen and thieves, so he fails the "cup of tea test" on every front!

I'd expect nothing less from you.

Next.

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, DezLez said:

I said nothing about his intelligence or lack thereof!

You implied he is not rational which IMO implies he is not intelligent.

[xylophone]

50 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'd expect nothing less from you.

Next.

The truth hurts, and is an anathema to trump supporters, and everything I posted cannot be disputed because just about all of it is out in the public domain for all to see, except the trumpies of course!

 

Back on to ignore you go.

[LarrySR]

4 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Sorry can't agree with you on the notion that he was the less worst choice of candidate. How can you reconcile the fact that he lost the popular vote by a massive 2.87 million votes to Clinton. 

No no no. Where do you get your news? MSN?

 

Trump said he won the popular vote and initiated a blue ribbon commission headed by his loyal VP to uncover the fraud. 
 

 

 

 

Edited September 19, 2022 by LarrySR

[LarrySR]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You implied he is not rational which IMO implies he is not intelligent.

Trump isn’t stupid but he has a deep understanding of what the stupid people want to hear. 

[ThailandRyan]

6 minutes ago, LarrySR said:

Trump isn’t stupid but he has a deep understanding of what the stupid people want to hear. 

He is the master at using people to do his deeds for him, and when they refuse he fires them.  How many cabinet members did he toss aside.....

[Eric Loh]

17 minutes ago, LarrySR said:

No no no. Where do you get your news? MSN?

 

Trump said he won the popular vote and initiated a blue ribbon commission headed by his loyal VP to uncover the fraud. 
 

 

 

 

You are a funny guy. In that commission report was a section on evidence of voter fraud and was “glaringly empty”. 

 

Edited September 19, 2022 by Eric Loh
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