Luxembourg family demands justice after fatal road accident

[neeray]

Just now, ChipButty said:

That is not a photo from the accident, it says a stock photo

Also, the article speaks of "motorbike". In my parlance, that looks more like what I'd call a "motorcycle".

[Huckenfell]

1 hour ago, Dcheech said:

 

Thailand will do everything in its power to damp down "world-level publicity" as bad for tourism. Much like they do regarding mysterious deaths on 'Isla de la Muerte', in the gulf of Siam. 

I think you refer to Koh Tao.......Death Island.

[ChipButty]

3 minutes ago, neeray said:

Also, the article speaks of "motorbike". In my parlance, that looks more like what I'd call a "motorcycle".

But not the one in the accident, I saw the one in the accident you couldn't tell what kind of bike it was 

Edited November 25, 2023 by ChipButty

[Huckenfell]

1 hour ago, Iron Tongue said:

It happened November 5th, no follow-up to where the Russian driver is now?  Were drug and alcohol tests administered on her?  Did she do a runner and is back in the Worker's Paradise? 

Seems like reasonable questions for a reporter to seek answers to.

 

If she had the "FARE" she would have been "DEPORTED"  by now ???

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, Iron Tongue said:

It happened November 5th, no follow-up to where the Russian driver is now?  Were drug and alcohol tests administered on her?  Did she do a runner and is back in the Worker's Paradise? 

Seems like reasonable questions for a reporter to seek answers to.

 

Seems that it would be just as reasonable for you to read the OP's full story where your questions are answered

Edited November 25, 2023 by Liverpool Lou

[newnative]

     I know it's an unpopular position but I strongly believe that tourists should not be allowed to rent and drive motorcycles.  Period.  Too many accidents, too many tragic deaths like these two.  Yes, it was the Russian's fault, in this case.  Doesn't change the fact that these two young people would likey still be alive had they been prohibited from using motorcycles.  

    

 

[Huckenfell]

1 hour ago, itsallmine68 said:

Another one spreading rumors 

Get real. I personally saw it happen twice on Samui. The police jump at every chance to subsidise their pathetically low income' 

 Anybody who followed the death cases on Kao Tao would know that "high end" bribery is rife with the RTP

Edited November 25, 2023 by Huckenfell

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, damo1967 said:

Maybe so.. but can you tell me if that is their helmet I see stapped to the handle-bar?  If they were not wearing helmets, surely they also contributed to their demise.  With that said, RIP :( 

That is not their bike nor does the stock photo have any connection with the accident, as the OP clearly states...as does the European registration plate

Edited November 25, 2023 by Liverpool Lou

[AhFarangJa]

It is normal to never hear about the outcome of any incident here.

[Dan O]

41 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

There seems to be certain nationalities here, that seem to have immunity from prosecution when it comes to driving offences.   

Not so much any specific nationality have immunity (except hi so) but its more a lack of police actions and lack of judicial presence and prosecution in general. No action in either if those areas has gone on for generations and is accepted at all levels, except to the victims of the crimes. Doesn't matter if its murder, domestic violence, physical attacks, traffic violations, drugs, gambling you name it. It makes the headlines only if they want to give the impression they are doing something.  This story will fade away to never be heard again as the next story comes along. 

[brianthainess]

8 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Not so much any specific nationality have immunity (except hi so) but its more a lack of police actions and lack of judicial presence and prosecution in general. No action in either if those areas has gone on for generations and is accepted at all levels, except to the victims of the crimes. Doesn't matter if its murder, domestic violence, physical attacks, traffic violations, drugs, gambling you name it. It makes the headlines only if they want to give the impression they are doing something.  This story will fade away to never be heard again as the next story comes along. 

Arabs street racing Zero action comes to mind, Drunk violent Russians same same. Still allowed to stay here. Maybe just a fine. 

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, Smokey and the Bandit said:

From the attached article:

"Despite the arrival of Major General Saksira Phueakam, the national Tourist Police Commissioner, in Phuket the next day, no information regarding the accident has been released by the police or local authorities."

 

This seems very strange, plus there was CCTV footage, that has not been released? Normally isn't it published?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not if there's been a "special arrangement" made.

[smedly]

3 hours ago, chrissables said:

But this couple were riding in the correct lane at the correct speed, the car drive is to blame.

the Russian should be facing charges and if alcohol or drugs are involved then a very severe charge, this country is seriously ###

 

RIP x2

 

the damage on that bike is not consistant with a rear end collision 

Edited November 25, 2023 by smedly

[traveller101]

52 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Seems that it would be just as reasonable for you to read the OP's full story where your questions are answered

First, the question whether an alcohol/drug test was administered remains unanswered.

The other questions were answered by the statement, the Russian lady reportedly resumed her normal life.

There is no information whether she has been charged with any driving offence.

 

[hydraides]

Crazy Accident,

 

It was harder for her to hit them that not to hit them with the whole rest of the road being completely empty

 

Also very unlucky to die when being hit from behind.......and both dying. Normally wouldn't happen unless other cars on the road 

 

 

[spidermike007]

Many of us drive motorcycles or scooters here, and it is dangerous getting on the roads with some of these other drivers. Getting on a scooter, or a motorcycle anywhere in Thailand, much less Phuket, Phangan, Dark Tao, or Samui without a very good helmet, and a great deal of skill and awareness, is like playing Russian Roulette with three or four bullets in the chamber. It is absolutely asking for problems. The degree of recklessness here is astounding. And many foreigners come here thinking "how much trouble could I get in on a little scooter, on a tropical island"? Well, the answer is alot. The amount of foreigners who are killed on the Southern islands is staggering. Most are not reported in the media. I had a friend who worked for Samui rescue for many years, and said the numbers were about 30-60 a month, on Samui, Phangan and Koh Tao. The official number is about 3 a month. Rider beware. Use as good a helmet as you can afford, and do not use these eggshells pieces of crap. They crack at the first impact, and what lies underneath them? Your skull, which is very delicate.

I have been riding bikes for 49 years. Without any serious accidents. A few minor ones over the years. Riding a bike here is very dangerous. If not the highest, one of the highest fatality rates in the world. And an accident here can be very costly, to your person. Just ask yourself- do I have enough problems already, without a broken skull, or smashed head, or face injury, or lost eye? I have three friends who have been in motorbike accidents on Samui within the last several years. One still cannot walk, or talk or function on her own, from a motorbike accident, where she hit her head on the pavement going only 20 kph. The other one has lost alot of his mental capacity after hitting his head. He insisted for years he would never wear a helmet. Now, he seems 15 years older. The third one is a close friend, who was hit by a sidecar, and nearly lost his leg. 11 operations later, he can walk, but with a limp, and the leg caused him constant problems, many years later. 

 

It always astonishes me here how the average person behaves, once you put them behind the wheel of a car or truck, here in Thailand. Most seem quite kind and considerate. Until they get into their cars. Then, all bets are off. When I was growing up and learning to drive, I remember so much of what my lovely mother taught me. She had so much wisdom, and was a very kind and respectful woman. She was constantly emphasizing the need to be courteous to other drivers, and pedestrians. She imparted alot of wisdom. I wonder how many Thais get that kind of coaching and inspiration from their folks.

 

 

[ChipButty]

25 minutes ago, smedly said:

the Russian should be facing charges and if alcohol or drugs are involved then a very severe charge, this country is seriously ###

 

RIP x2

 

the damage on that bike is not consistant with a rear end collision 

which bike? 

[ChipButty]

24 minutes ago, hydraides said:

Crazy Accident,

 

It was harder for her to hit them that not to hit them with the whole rest of the road being completely empty

 

Also very unlucky to die when being hit from behind.......and both dying. Normally wouldn't happen unless other cars on the road 

 

 

I think she drove them into the electric post, the whole of the area down that main road had no electric for most of the day, from the original CCTV footage you can see sparks flying as it pulled all the cables down, the bike was left there most of the day you could not tell what make of bike it was, a crumpled mess, 

[NanLaew]

48 minutes ago, smedly said:

the Russian should be facing charges and if alcohol or drugs are involved then a very severe charge, this country is seriously ###

 

RIP x2

 

the damage on that bike is not consistant with a rear end collision 

 

And this is why (again).

 

[NanLaew]

17 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

I think she drove them into the electric post, the whole of the area down that main road had no electric for most of the day, from the original CCTV footage you can see sparks flying as it pulled all the cables down, the bike was left there most of the day you could not tell what make of bike it was, a crumpled mess, 

 

The Thaiger article uses a stock photo of a crashed bike in Latvia and the actual CCTV of the accident has been disappeared.

 

[stix40]

If you like the open air experience, rent a jeep ! 

It's bad enough driving here in a car but motorcycle's forget it .

Most of the drivers here have no idea how to drive properly ! No lane control, no indication , No idea ! 

On top of that drinking , looking at there mobile phones ,  etc recipe for disaster! 

 

 

 

[connda]

Luxembourg family demands justice after fatal road accident

Dear Luxembourg bereaved. 
You will get "justice."  Just not the type of "justice" that you would expect in a predominately European nation.

For those of us who live here, we know:  This Is Thailand (TIT).  It' ain't Luxembourg, it ain't the EU, it ain't the US - it's Thailand with its own very unique problems with traffic fatalities and injuries, as well as perceived justice and compensation.  The death or injury of a foreigner here isn't like a Thai citizen who is either on Social Security or Thai Government Insurance.  So that paltry amount of 50K in mandatory insurance doesn't need to go to covering hospital expenses. 
That's just the way 'road justice' (and justice in general) works here and it ain't like a first-world country.  Money talks, and many victims of traffic accidents settle for a rather low payout as compared to the West.  Then toss in the circumstances that it was two Europeans killed by a Russian driver?  There isn't even a Thai involved.

I feel for the parents.  Lost my own daughter and only child at 18 to another driver's extreme negligence.  You don't get over it.  Especially when there is no closure or "justice."  My daughter's killer was fined $400. That was "justice" in the United States.

[ChipButty]

17 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

The Thaiger article uses a stock photo of a crashed bike in Latvia and the actual CCTV of the accident has been disappeared.

 

Yes we know that

[ChipButty]

20 minutes ago, stix40 said:

If you like the open air experience, rent a jeep ! 

It's bad enough driving here in a car but motorcycle's forget it .

Most of the drivers here have no idea how to drive properly ! No lane control, no indication , No idea ! 

On top of that drinking , looking at there mobile phones ,  etc recipe for disaster! 

 

 

 

Still pissed the following morning, it happened a couple of months ago near me, around 8 am, a truck drove into a bike killed both women and the truck driver was pissed, they were all Thai, what happened after that I dont know, 

[Modern Coding]

4 hours ago, Haveasay said:

Holidaying in Vietnam ATM. Thailand has to be safer than the stupidity of drivers here. Cyclists, motorbike riders or drivers! Been handling my mio in Pattaya 15 years, hired a motorbike a few days, with a few days to go, won't be hiring another day. The honking even more ridiculous!

Have lived in Vietnam, and they are by far the dumbest drivers I have ever seen.

I feel sorry for my Vietnamese friends, the ones that are smart, but the maxim "Show me how you drive, I tell you what kind of moron you are" confirms itself each time!

Thailand is nothing compared to there, which makes me wonder how come Thailand has road death record when Vietnam is even more dangerous.

[Boycie]

5 hours ago, ignore it said:

What?

No go fund me?

 

https://www.gofundme.com/f/nickolas-joseph-ayoub

[Boycie]

3 hours ago, ChipButty said:

But not the one in the accident, I saw the one in the accident you couldn't tell what kind of bike it was 

[Boycie]

https://www.newsflare.com/video/602559/american-and-luxembourg-tourist-killed-by-russian-driver-in-thailand

 

View with caution. Viewers may find some footage disturbing.

Edited November 25, 2023 by Boycie
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[NanLaew]

34 minutes ago, Modern Coding said:

Have lived in Vietnam, and they are by far the dumbest drivers I have ever seen.

I feel sorry for my Vietnamese friends, the ones that are smart, but the maxim "Show me how you drive, I tell you what kind of moron you are" confirms itself each time!

Thailand is nothing compared to there, which makes me wonder how come Thailand has road death record when Vietnam is even more dangerous.

 

I don't think Vietnam makes shares any data or statistics on their road traffic fatalities and injuries.

[Spock]

47 minutes ago, Modern Coding said:

Have lived in Vietnam, and they are by far the dumbest drivers I have ever seen.

I feel sorry for my Vietnamese friends, the ones that are smart, but the maxim "Show me how you drive, I tell you what kind of moron you are" confirms itself each time!

Thailand is nothing compared to there, which makes me wonder how come Thailand has road death record when Vietnam is even more dangerous.

Thailand actually has more fatalities per head of population. Not by much, but it's three spots ahead of Vietnam in world rankings.