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23 minutes ago, Joe Farang said:

Not sure if this is earlier or after the game.

 

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Awesome result, som nam naa :-).

Well done to the Italians. You came thro the 1st half and had tge best tacticisn as a manager. You deserved the equaliser and quite why Southgate allowed some young inexperienced penalty takers well who knows. 

1 hour ago, Joe Farang said:

Not sure if this is earlier or after the game.

 

 

This film depicts a group of ticketless people bursting through the fire exits at Wembley hours before the game (it's broad daylight outside).

 

2 hours ago, nkg said:

 

This film depicts a group of ticketless people bursting through the fire exits at Wembley hours before the game (it's broad daylight outside).

 

I feel truly ashamed that these animals are the same nationality as myself. Facial recognition, prosecution and execution in public should now ensue.

2 hours ago, nkg said:

 

This film depicts a group of ticketless people bursting through the fire exits at Wembley hours before the game (it's broad daylight outside).

 

Those supporters doing the punching were trying to keep the ticketless fans away and helping the stewards do their job 

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5 hours ago, Excel said:

Well done to the Italians. You came thro the 1st half and had tge best tacticisn as a manager. You deserved the equaliser and quite why Southgate allowed some young inexperienced penalty takers well who knows. 

Looking at the BBC website and the comments ,which there a lot ,most say Kane and Maquire ,experienced players should have taken penalty's 4and 5, my thought to ,as for Southgate bringing on Sancho and Rashford in the last moments ,in readiness for the penalty shot out not his best moment.  

I do not  think he will be getting his gong in the new years honours  list .

As for young Saka ,he will keep playing for England for a few years to come .

See what the world cup brings next year ,that if it goes ahead. 

 

Southgate finally got undone by someone smarter. His subs changed the game, our prob would had he not stuck too long with his pets who were clearly having a bad night. 
Mount had a stinker and should have been off at half time or after they scored. Sterling was anonymous and should have stepped up for a penalty rather than leave it to Man U subs who ultimately cost us the match. 
Best team on the night and throughout the tournament won. 
It’s a reality check for England and the pundits. They have improved but still no where near the best. 

England player ratings as Luke Shaw goal not enough to avoid Euro 2020 final heartbreak

Gareth Southgate's side took Italy all the way to the penalties before falling short of winning their first trophy in 55 years

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/england-player-ratings-italy-shaw-21025322

 I just read that Saka had never taken a penalty for Arsenal. To have to take the 5th one under those circumstances doesn't bear thinking about.

5 hours ago, Excel said:

Well done to the Italians. You came thro the 1st half and had tge best tacticisn as a manager. You deserved the equaliser and quite why Southgate allowed some young inexperienced penalty takers well who knows. 

Yes unbelievable. The most important penalty in 55 years and Southgate gives it to an untested 19 year old.

Overall, I thought it was a good game between 2 very worthy opponents. England are a very good team but will need to find more in midfield to lift a trophy.  As for penalties: what a ludicrous selection!

 

Someone wins, someone loses, but at least the loser got there.

 

It's still a learning curve for England who can hold their heads high and be proud.

Euros is over, now for the real gravy, the bread and butter. The Premier League and Champions League....

 

2 minutes ago, stament said:

Euros is over, now for the real gravy, the bread and butter. The Premier League and Champions League....

 

Agreed. Never been very interested in a lot of flag waving patriotism. Always ranked Premier League first , Champions League second and the rest as just a dog and pony show on a grand scale.

1 minute ago, stament said:

Euros is over, now for the real gravy, the bread and butter. The Premier League and Champions League....

 

And the World Cup sooner than usual, and both those teams will likely figure in the semi final stages of that too.

 

England- onward and upward.

3 hours ago, KannikaP said:

I feel truly ashamed that these animals are the same nationality as myself. Facial recognition, prosecution and execution in public should now ensue.

2 of look like they are in their 50s! 

The better team  won. The stats don't lie.  Italy had 19 shots at goal to England's 6, 65% possession to England's 35.

 

England were outclassed, especially in the second half when Italy ran rampant and totally dominated, but also in parts of the first half. Having said that Italy failed to score a lot of goals, and the one they got was a silly goal keeper mistake by Jordan Pickford. The English goalkeeper looked prone to errors in the last two games.

 

Despite a very lucky start, when a pass that was never meant for Shaw ended up at his feet, he swung at it and hit the sweet spot, never in the whole game did you feel Italy were not going to win.

 

Sterling was invisible, apart from his usual falling down and diving antics. Even Kane joined him in the falling down play acting but did not produce a lot. Macguire made strange mistakes. In midfield England obviously has too few options.

 

Then the usual English malaise, unable to put a ball in the net from 11 metres on a 7.35 wide goal. Despite having a great chance due to Italian misses again England go down on penalties. Same old story.

 

Why Southgate allowed a 19 year old to take the last penalty only he will know. But then penalties never were his speciality.

 

Hard to understand why Southgate never played Grealish from the start either. He also should have taken a penalty, like Sterling.

 

England got through because of a very fortunate draw and I doubt they will go anywhere near this far in the World Cup.

 

 

1 hour ago, Tanomazu said:

The better team  won. The stats don't lie.  Italy had 19 shots at goal to England's 6, 65% possession to England's 35.

 

England were outclassed, especially in the second half when Italy ran rampant and totally dominated, but also in parts of the first half. Having said that Italy failed to score a lot of goals, and the one they got was a silly goal keeper mistake by Jordan Pickford. The English goalkeeper looked prone to errors in the last two games.

 

Despite a very lucky start, when a pass that was never meant for Shaw ended up at his feet, he swung at it and hit the sweet spot, never in the whole game did you feel Italy were not going to win.

 

Sterling was invisible, apart from his usual falling down and diving antics. Even Kane joined him in the falling down play acting but did not produce a lot. Macguire made strange mistakes. In midfield England obviously has too few options.

 

Then the usual English malaise, unable to put a ball in the net from 11 metres on a 7.35 wide goal. Despite having a great chance due to Italian misses again England go down on penalties. Same old story.

 

Why Southgate allowed a 19 year old to take the last penalty only he will know. But then penalties never were his speciality.

 

Hard to understand why Southgate never played Grealish from the start either. He also should have taken a penalty, like Sterling.

 

England got through because of a very fortunate draw and I doubt they will go anywhere near this far in the World Cup.

 

 

Can’t disagree with hardly any of that tbh. It’s a reality check for those getting carried away with the usual bull. 
We are going in the direction but no where near the finished article and to be fair to Southgate he has being say that himself. 
At least we have not got to put up with another load of ridiculous peerages/knighthoods as a result. 

42 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Can’t disagree with hardly any of that tbh. It’s a reality check for those getting carried away with the usual bull. 
We are going in the direction but no where near the finished article and to be fair to Southgate he has being say that himself. 
At least we have not got to put up with another load of ridiculous peerages/knighthoods as a result. 

It's interesting actually where England stand. Everyone talks about the new young players of England. However, in reality it was the old guard, the experienced older players Chiellini, Bonnuci, that won it for Italy. You just wonder who does England have of that experience? What this final showed is that yes, young talent is important, but old experienced players are perhaps even more important.

 

Southgate, despite his mistakes, actually played it very smart. He copied Loew's fluid winger/midfield system against Germany and won, and did the same against Italy. It clearly worked again. When England had to defend, they had a lot of men behind the ball and could hang on against a better Italian team.

 

In attack England have Kane and Sterling,  a very good attack, in defence with Maguire they look solid most of the time, Pickford makes a few mistakes he's a bit mediocre, but England's real problem is that they have no attacking midfielder that can create the game. A lot of workhorses and defensive midfielders, but no attacking midfielder.

 

I still don't think this England team is on the same level as Gascoigne's team in 1996. Even if they did not go to the final, that team was a lot better. In this tournament all teams were weak. Italy had a long winning run, but Immobile is not really major attack superstar, in midfield there are no outstanding players, just their defence is very strong, Belgium had de Bruyne and Eden Hazard injured, Portugal suffered from fatal tactical carelessness, Spain definitely don't look like they are the finished article, Germany have a long way to go with no attack force and weak defense. I see all of these teams getting better for the world cup. Where England really stands we will see in the world cup when they face the likes of Argentina and Brazil.

 

 

1 minute ago, Tanomazu said:

but England's real problem is that they have no attacking midfielder that can create the game. A lot of workhorses and defensive midfielders, but no attacking midfielder.

YES YES YES......players in the position of Stones et al also have to be good mid-field creators as well......gone are the days of big, lumbering centre halves who just tackle and head the ball..

2 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

YES YES YES......players in the position of Stones et al also have to be good mid-field creators as well......gone are the days of big, lumbering centre halves who just tackle and head the ball..

Yes, and it also looks like the return of the proper centre forward is on the cards. Teams with small attack players do not score a lot of goals. Defenders got a lot bigger and a lot faster, so it is players like Lukaku who are the real threat up front.

 

In that regard you'd think England have good cards with Kane up front, but he seems to hang back a lot and try to fill the creative midfielder role which England have failed to fill.

Just now, Tanomazu said:

Yes, and it also looks like the return of the proper centre forward is on the cards. Teams with small attack players do not score a lot of goals. Defenders got a lot bigger and a lot faster, so it is players like Lukaku who are the real threat up front.

 

In that regard you'd think England have good cards with Kane up front, but he seems to hang back a lot and try to fill the creative midfielder role which England have failed to fill.

Might get shot down here......but if you watch, he carefully challenges for every high ball......but rarely, if ever,  "manages" to head it? He rarely presses either......he gently ambles towards players coming out with the ball but they have all the time in world to make a pass........okay....he pops up and scores occasionally......but I don't think that is good enough at this level.

13 minutes ago, Tanomazu said:

but England's real problem is that they have no attacking midfielder that can create the game. A lot of workhorses and defensive midfielders, but no attacking midfielder.

They have them in Grealish, Foden, Maddison, Sancho et al but they were given little if any game time.

3 minutes ago, wilai said:

They have them in Grealish, Foden, Maddison, Sancho et al but they were given little if any game time.

Agree......and cannot understand why they were not brought on as early as half-time........and who did we get Rashford?

 

There is far too much "loyalty" to certain players in football........doesn't happen in Rugby.....League or Union

6 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

There is far too much "loyalty" to certain players in football........doesn't happen in Rugby.....League or Union

Pretty certain Eddie Jones has been accused of being "Too Loyal" on occasion.

1 minute ago, wilai said:

Pretty certain Eddie Jones has been accused of being "Too Loyal" on occasion.

Possibly.......!

I am Italian and I can tell you that the Italians charge when the opponent proves to be arrogant and cocky, just as the English behaved in this competition.

 

This was the main reason for your defeat and our victory.