Pattaya A Dead or Dying City?

[Leaver]

On 5/17/2021 at 1:41 AM, Logosone said:

Europeans have to contend with their own very slow vaccination and quarantine.

 

The UK have a fast vaccination rate.  

[Leaver]

On 5/17/2021 at 1:57 AM, soi3eddie said:

 

The comparison was British and Americans vs Germans and French numbers.

 

 

Somehow you have misquoted me.  Those are not my words.  They are the words of member Logosone.  

[soi3eddie]

4 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

Somehow you have misquoted me.  Those are not my words.  They are the words of member Logosone.  

Apologies for that. Don't know how that happened.

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, soi3eddie said:

Apologies for that. Don't know how that happened.

Taking a quote from a quote....I have done it loads of times.....no biggy.

[hotandsticky]

23 hours ago, J Town said:

You fail to realize these are a bunch of desperate, lonely guys all around the planet. What you and I would barely consider a 2 or 3 are angels in these guys' eyes.

 

 

 

Just so long as they are still breathing...........

[moontang]

On 5/11/2021 at 9:53 PM, Surelynot said:

Give it three months and Pattaya will have become the Miami of SE Asia.........mark my words..

Complete with rioting, looting, Russian mob, angry Africans?  It's already close. 

[jacko45k]

2 hours ago, moontang said:

Complete with rioting, looting, Russian mob, angry Africans?  It's already close. 

Have you been to Pattya lately.....?

[Leaver]

11 hours ago, moontang said:

Complete with rioting, looting, Russian mob, angry Africans?  It's already close. 

 

There's nothing left here for the criminal groups you mention to scam or take.  

[moontang]

8 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Have you been to Pattya lately.....?

Spent 30 nights there this year... and a couple of days.  Was born in Miami. 

[jacko45k]

6 hours ago, moontang said:

Spent 30 nights there this year... and a couple of days.  Was born in Miami. 

Well I don't know exactly when that was, but right now there is zero evidence of the rioting, looting, Russian mob, angry Africans? you are posting of. Pattaya is a ghost town and far from it. 

Edited May 21, 2021 by jacko45k

[rott]

On 5/21/2021 at 2:20 PM, jacko45k said:

Have you been to Pattya lately.....?

Yes, and......?

[jacko45k]

8 hours ago, rott said:

Yes, and......?

You weren't asked.

[JensenZ]

I had to check the date of this post as I figured it must be a year old, from last May. To my surprise it IS a recent post.

 

Pattaya isn't dying, it had actually died over a year ago. Of course I'm referring to the tourism side of Pattaya. Thai people will continue to reside here as they do in other cities although a large number have left the city already. Only businesses with deep pockets will survive this. The smaller malls, such as Harbor Mall, Garden Plaza and Central Marina are in big trouble and they were doing badly pre-covid.

[rcuthbert]

What the city planners (LOL!) did to Pattaya's sex industry is the equivalent of turning Vegas into a giant bingo hall.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 5/26/2021 at 8:05 PM, rcuthbert said:

What the city planners (LOL!) did to Pattaya's sex industry is the equivalent of turning Vegas into a giant bingo hall.

 

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"Planning" and "Pattaya" do not belong in the same sentence.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 5/25/2021 at 3:49 PM, JensenZ said:

The smaller malls, such as Harbor Mall, Garden Plaza and Central Marina are in big trouble and they were doing badly pre-covid.

If that is the Royal Garden Hotel mall it is the exception to what I'm going to say as it predated all the new malls, but IMO any mall doing badly that was built after Central deserve their failure as there were already too many malls.

[Leaver]

29 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

any mall doing badly that was built after Central deserve their failure as there were already too many malls.

 

Unless that mall can make Central fail.  

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If that is the Royal Garden Hotel mall it is the exception to what I'm going to say as it predated all the new malls, but IMO any mall doing badly that was built after Central deserve their failure as there were already too many malls.

Just T21 I think... pretty sure Harbor predated Central Festival. And that one along with The Avenue never stood a chance. 

[champers]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If that is the Royal Garden Hotel mall it is the exception to what I'm going to say as it predated all the new malls, but IMO any mall doing badly that was built after Central deserve their failure as there were already too many malls.

T21 was doing well pre-Covid and since Covid began they have decided to build a new muti-storey car park; under construction now. The owners must be optimistic.

[jacko45k]

2 minutes ago, champers said:

T21 was doing well pre-Covid and since Covid began they have decided to build a new muti-storey car park; under construction now. The owners must be optimistic.

It is a great Mall but like Central was a pain to get to and park in. The multi-storey  is an attempt to address that, but I will still be using BigC-X on a Sunday morning.... in and out quite easy. 

[Leaver]

48 minutes ago, champers said:

T21 was doing well pre-Covid

 

That was not my observations, pre covid.

 

49 minutes ago, champers said:

and since Covid began they have decided to build a new muti-storey car park; under construction now.

 

Let's say the new car park is a hit with consumers.  There's only enough customers to go around for a certain amount of malls here.  

 

If T21 was to become successful, it would be at the expense of another mall.   

[rcuthbert]

On 5/21/2021 at 11:58 AM, moontang said:

Complete with rioting, looting, Russian mob, angry Africans?  It's already close. 

Over the course of the 14 years that I have lived in Patts, I have learned The following rules: respect all Thais, don't hit street dogs, only flash low denomination notes, learn how to bargain with the girls, if a LB hits on you just say "chawp puying" and keep walking, don't get in fights with Farangs, don't cheat on your Thai girl (Some will slice of your weenie - AKA "feed the ducks", understate your wealth - and never be worth more dead  than alive. If follow those, and stay alert, then Patts is a paradise.

[rcuthbert]

On 5/12/2021 at 10:33 AM, J Town said:

If anyone read "The Dark Tower" series, they'll understand the term "the world has moved on."  Yes, everything is shut down by decree and will probably go on an "open/shut" roller coaster for a year or two.

 

The sex industry was Pattaya's forte. That's been demolished. The girls found out they can make a fortune online without ever swapping bodily fluids. I don't think it will ever return to its glorious apex of the previous decade. I'm just seriously grateful I got in as many soapies as I did!

 

The world has moved on.

"The oldest profession in the world" will rise ???? again.

[Leaver]

1 hour ago, rcuthbert said:

"The oldest profession in the world" will rise ???? again.

 

Yes, but it will take quite some time.  It will not happen overnight, simply because borders have been opened.  

[jacko45k]

12 hours ago, Leaver said:

If T21 was to become successful, it would be at the expense of another mall.  

Well yes, I think they hit Central Festival BR... certainly their overpriced food court. 

[Henryford]

16 hours ago, jacko45k said:

It is a great Mall but like Central was a pain to get to and park in. The multi-storey  is an attempt to address that, but I will still be using BigC-X on a Sunday morning.... in and out quite easy. 

 

I never found T21 a problem for parking, much better than Central. But then i tend to during the week to avoid the weekend shoppers.  I was there this week, the place was almost empty (except for the great food hall). The shops there must have deep pockets.

[JensenZ]

19 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If that is the Royal Garden Hotel mall it is the exception to what I'm going to say as it predated all the new malls, but IMO any mall doing badly that was built after Central deserve their failure as there were already too many malls.

That's a very short-sighted assessment of the pre-covid era. When malls are built, they are looking to the future and growth of the tourism industry, not expecting it to fail. Do you think new mall developments should not compete with existing malls for market share? There are ups and downs in tourism industry, but they look long term. Your "too many malls" comment makes no sense either. Central Mall is the most successful of them, and that came AFTER Garden Plaza and Central Marina, both which predated it by many years. It came after and destroyed them. If most cities held your ideas, there would never be any advancement at all. Speculation is what makes the modern world tick. Competition is a good thing.

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, Henryford said:

 

I never found T21 a problem for parking, much better than Central. But then i tend to during the week to avoid the weekend shoppers.  I was there this week, the place was almost empty (except for the great food hall). The shops there must have deep pockets.

Well it turned North Rd into a traffic jam, and I come in from out of town... I would be better with a smaller vehicle.

[Leaver]

10 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Well yes, I think they hit Central Festival BR... certainly their overpriced food court. 

 

Point being, if one mall is busy, it means another mall is not.  

[kingofthemountain]

20 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

Point being, if one mall is busy, it means another mall is not.  

i agree with that

 

Mike shopping mall has been killed by Royal garden plaza

then Royal garden plaza has been killed by Central festival

finally Central festival has been killed by Terminal 21

now Terminal 21 has been killed by Covid 19

 

The Avenue and Central marina were never serious challengers

due to their small size and their location

i don't even talk about The Bay, wich has never really been opened

even if it's finished since years now

 

Of course all the ''dead'' shopping malls are still operating

the oldest with most of the shops inside closed and few cheap

clothes fair stands in the middle

 

i wonder if all these shopping malls in Pattaya aren't for some very wealthy people more a way to ''park'' their cash somewhere in ''brick and mortar things'' rather than to expect a return on investissment, even on the long term

 

Rince and repeat, the eternal Pattaya mantra

Edited May 30, 2021 by kingofthemountain