Government in race against time after Delta variant shown to be more severe, more transmissible

[webfact]

 

By Cod Satrusayang

 

Thailand’s government is now in a race against time to fully vaccinate its population after the Delta variant of Covid-19 is shown to be more transmissible and more deadly in a new study.

 

Research out of the United Kingdom on Monday found that the Delta variant, which was first identified in India, doubles the risk of hospitalization and is more transmissible than previous mutations.

 

The study, which was carried out in Scotland, has been a cause for concern for public officials both in the United Kingdom and the United States due to its high transmission rate and severity.

 

Full story: https://www.thaienquirer.com/28543/government-in-race-against-time-after-delta-variant-shown-to-be-more-severe-more-transmissible/

 

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[rabas]

Here is the study on that, from Scotland.

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext

 

If it can affect a Scotsman, it must be bad.

 

"On May 19, 2021, the Delta Variant of Concern (VOC), formerly known as the Indian VOC or B 1.617.2, became the dominant strain of SARS-CoV-2 in Scotland. The Alpha VOC (formerly known as the Kent VOC, B.1.1.7, or S gene negative) had been the dominant strain previously, but it has rapidly been replaced."

 

Hospitalizations are also up by 2X.

 

[worgeordie]

Government in race.......they must be the Tortoise  ????

 

regards Worgeordie

[canopus1969]

Oh dear, this was known weeks ago aboiut the problems with Delta

[darksidedog]

15 minutes ago, webfact said:

Thailand’s government is now in a race against time to fully vaccinate its population

I am not confident it is a race it is going to win, given the complete incompetence shown thus far.

[petermik]

7 hours ago, canopus1969 said:

Oh dear, this was known weeks ago aboiut the problems with Delta

And our dear PM stated "what will be will be".......

Submarines on standby to evacuate all those that can pay...

[holy cow cm]

Well at least it is not a race against the Beta variant that a certain coveted vaccine here that is suggested to be 90% ineffective.

[mancub]

17 minutes ago, RobMuir said:

It is more contagious but thankfully less deadly.

 

But I couldn't see in the link is it just more contagious than the Wuhan strain which the Thais almost just brushed off.

Or is it more contagious than the English/Kent strain which is the real problem in Thailand and torn through the Kingdom and currently causing 88% of the new infections and deaths? 

 

I hope it isn't.

Never fear, "the Thais", certain ones at least, will just brush off all strains, even if one is discovered in Scotland.

[rabas]

19 minutes ago, RobMuir said:

It is more contagious but thankfully less deadly.

 

But I couldn't see in the link is it just more contagious than the Wuhan strain which the Thais almost just brushed off.

Or is it more contagious than the English/Kent strain which is the real problem in Thailand and torn through the Kingdom and currently causing 88% of the new infections and deaths? 

 

I hope it isn't.

Relative to Wuhan:

B.1.1.1.7   UK_alpha        82% more transmissible

B.1.617.1  India_delta    115% more transmissible

P.1        Brazil_gamma 161% more transmissible

 

The percentage increase is relative to R0, which is exponential. 50% does not mean 50% more cases, it means many times more cases. These are not small numbers.

 

WIKI on SARS-2 variants

 

More severe and 2X hospitalizations does not suggest it is milder.

 

Edited June 15, 2021 by rabas

[internationalism]

so it will come in waves, every few months, and infecting those with low immunity at time. Also those, who were previously infected but for asymptomatic immunity not created or the other, with symptoms, their antibodies waned over time.

No matter, if mutation is less contagious and less deadly, it will still affect badly those compromised.

It will fizzle by itself over time, taking those in poor health. Another year, or some more.

Looks, like vax need to be tweeked all the time, mixed with the other ones and supported with boosters every 6 month. Many countries are not able to keep up with demand, the poorer once 

Edited June 15, 2021 by internationalism

[Surelynot]

Unless Thailand is incredibly lucky (again?) this variant will rip through the population.......just look at the UK.

 

Thanks to Bunter not suspending flights from India (still over 100 a week coming in to Heathrow) lockdown easing has been suspended and the virus has taken off even with some many people having been vaccinated.

[fondue zoo]

There are recent studies that indicate you need your two does for effective protection against the the Delta strain.

[BangkokReady]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

Thailand’s government is now in a race against time to fully vaccinate its population after the Delta variant of Covid-19 is shown to be more transmissible and more deadly in a new study.

 

Do they actually have a vaccine that is effective against the Indian variant?  Or might all this be for nothing?

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10 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Do they actually have a vaccine that is effective against the Indian variant?  Or might all this be for nothing?

 

 

 

Two doses of vaccine highly effective against Delta variant, U.K. officials say

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/two-doses-vaccine-highly-effective-against-delta-variant-u-k-n1270776

[cormanr7]

Three stories related to the topic:

1. WHO saying that virus outpaces vaccininations: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/coronavirus-outpacing-vaccine-effort-says-who-after-g7-doses-pledge

2. Delta variant now detected in more than 70 countries: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/14/delta-variant-of-covid-spreading-rapidly-and-detected-in-74-countries

 3. Some countries/territories will reduce time between vaccinations with AZ and/or Pfizer due to rise of the Delta variant: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-57424707, https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/interval-between-astrazeneca-vaccine-doses-to-be-reduced-1.4584636

[Surelynot]

Will be sleeping easy at least ............knowing Anutin has all of this under control

[Pattaya Spotter]

1 hour ago, RobMuir said:

It is more contagious but thankfully less deadly.

I'll take that trade all day long.

[Lemonltr]

50 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Do they actually have a vaccine that is effective against the Indian variant?  Or might all this be for nothing?

Az/Oxford has a prototype vaccine for the SA Beta variant. All suppliers are working on new variant effective solutions. MRNA is a swifter process. However I cynically suspect that they wish to sell billions more of existing vaccines before repeating the process with the new ones. New incomers a better bet. 

[jacko45k]

2 hours ago, rabas said:

Here is the study on that, from Scotland.

 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01358-1/fulltext

 

If it can affect a Scotsman, it must be bad.

 

"On May 19, 2021, the Delta Variant of Concern (VOC), formerly known as the Indian VOC or B 1.617.2, became the dominant strain of SARS-CoV-2 in Scotland. The Alpha VOC (formerly known as the Kent VOC, B.1.1.7, or S gene negative) had been the dominant strain previously, but it has rapidly been replaced."

 

Hospitalizations are also up by 2X.

 

The good news is that both vaccines being used mainly in the UK have good efficacy numbers after the 2 jabs...

The Pfizer and BioNTech SE shot is 96% effective against hospitalization after two doses, while the AstraZeneca and University of Oxford Covid inoculation is 92% effective,

Bloomberg.

Bad news, you would be lucky to get either vaccine in Thailand

[Lemonltr]

46 minutes ago, cormanr7 said:

Three stories related to the topic:

1. WHO saying that virus outpaces vaccininations: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/coronavirus-outpacing-vaccine-effort-says-who-after-g7-doses-pledge

2. Delta variant now detected in more than 70 countries: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/14/delta-variant-of-covid-spreading-rapidly-and-detected-in-74-countries

 3. Some countries/territories will reduce time between vaccinations with AZ and/or Pfizer due to rise of the Delta variant: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-57424707, https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/interval-between-astrazeneca-vaccine-doses-to-be-reduced-1.4584636

Data is scarce on the delta variant as its fairly recent. Most percentage data on efficacy is from studies in the lab. In the UK from Porton Down. Data from hospitals is more reliable. 

[Neilly]

1 hour ago, cormanr7 said:

Stories related to the topic:

 

 3. Some countries/territories will reduce time between vaccinations with AZ and/or Pfizer due to rise of the Delta variant: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-57424707, https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/interval-between-astrazeneca-vaccine-doses-to-be-reduced-1.4584636

 

And as to your point #3, Thailand has decided to increase the time between vaccinations...the UK is looking to drop the time to eight weeks instead of ten/twelve...I think I just read that Thailand are going to extend to sixteen weeks

[club]

2 hours ago, cormanr7 said:

Three stories related to the topic:

1. WHO saying that virus outpaces vaccininations: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/coronavirus-outpacing-vaccine-effort-says-who-after-g7-doses-pledge

2. Delta variant now detected in more than 70 countries: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/14/delta-variant-of-covid-spreading-rapidly-and-detected-in-74-countries

 3. Some countries/territories will reduce time between vaccinations with AZ and/or Pfizer due to rise of the Delta variant: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-57424707, https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/interval-between-astrazeneca-vaccine-doses-to-be-reduced-1.4584636

Thailand is doing the exact opposite . The have extended the time in between AZ shots to 16 weeks. Why? They dont have enough. 

[ThomasThBKK]

14 minutes ago, club said:

Thailand is doing the exact opposite . The have extended the time in between AZ shots to 16 weeks. Why? They dont have enough. 

 

Your best bet is to get an mrna booster on top of an initial AZ dose here in October.

 

 

Countries like Canada recommend doing this. Studies in Spain and UK show it has better efficiency.

[wensiensheng]

3 hours ago, RobMuir said:

It is more contagious but thankfully less deadly.

 

But I couldn't see in the link is it just more contagious than the Wuhan strain which the Thais almost just brushed off.

Or is it more contagious than the English/Kent strain which is the real problem in Thailand and torn through the Kingdom and currently causing 88% of the new infections and deaths? 

 

I hope it isn't.

Do you deliberately not read? It says in the first paragraph that it is more transmissible AND more deadly.

UK says Delta variant of coronavirus 60% more transmissible ...

 

if you google it, you will find several articles that state that the delta strain is estimated to be 60% more transmissible than the alpha strain. It takes about 10 seconds, so stay focused.

[wensiensheng]

2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I'll take that trade all day long.

I wouldn’t trust anything robmuir says. The link in the op, opening paragraph says this:

 

Thailand’s government is now in a race against time to fully vaccinate its population after the Delta variant of Covid-19 is shown to be more transmissible and more deadly in a new study.

[ourmanflint]

Best thing the government is doing to control this is to open all the massage parlours and schools! That'll slow things down

[Megasin1]

lol, the land of breaking old news ???? 

[Pattaya Spotter]

56 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

I wouldn’t trust anything robmuir says. The link in the op, opening paragraph says this:

 

Thailand’s government is now in a race against time to fully vaccinate its population after the Delta variant of Covid-19 is shown to be more transmissible and more deadly in a new study.

In highly vaccinated populations the Delta varient doesn't appear to be more deadly...but of course that isn't the situation in Thailand.

 

Full courses of the Pfizer-BioNTech and AstraZeneca vaccines offer extremely strong protection against hospitalization in cases of the Delta variant. Two doses of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine were 96 percent effective in preventing hospitalizations, and two doses of AstraZeneca’s shot were 92 percent effective, the public health agency said. Single doses of either vaccine were also effective in protecting against hospitalizations, though slightly less so.

Public Health England said the figures were comparable to the performance of vaccines against the Alpha variant. [Emphasis added]

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/14/world/europe/england-covid-restrictions.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

 

[Lemonltr]

1 hour ago, hotelbri said:

29% of 42 really .... ????????????????

It's only been in the UK for a few weeks already. Not much time to die. Try 29% of 4.200 then. 

[kynikoi]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand’s government is now in a race against time to fully vaccinate its population

 

Please direct all ???????????? to this post.