Twenty percent of donated Pfizer vaccines from US must go to foreigners living in Thailand, says CCSA general

[mtls2005]

3 minutes ago, club said:

20% of Pfizer being donated to Thailand should go to ALL foreigners.

 

Meh.

 

After U.S. citizens are fully vaccinated, in order of age, health conditions, then other foreigners can queue with the Thai government for available vaccines, including any remaining Pfizer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BestB]

22 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

Gotta say, don't have high hopes for the U.S. Embassy doing much to ensure the set-aside portion ends up being used as promised.... And even less confidence in the Thai government following thru on its promise to actually use the set-aside as required -- especially if the administration is left in their hands...

 

 

As much as our embassies are useless I think they will do a better job than thai government , but knowing how our embassies work , where every step cost money , chances are they will charge through the nose to make it happen . Oz embassy not much better than US even worse. 

[djayz]

2 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

We need an audit afterwards to ensure foreigners did get 20%

And who's going to audit the auditor? 

[bluebluewater]

It a Thai general that is making this claim.  Let's wait and see what the American embassy has to say.

[club]

1 minute ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Meh.

 

After U.S. citizens are fully vaccinated, in order of age, health conditions, then other foreigners can queue with the Thai government for available vaccines, including any remaining Pfizer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Forget the queue part. We have seen this government make a mess of that The 1.5 million donated from the USA need to go to Private hospitals like with Moderna. If the government gets it, it will disappear 

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, bluebluewater said:

It a Thai general that is making this claim.  Let's wait and see what the American embassy has to say.

Hahah.....40% was the agreement???

[sungod]

1 hour ago, bipper said:

How's that relevant to the money grabbing big Pharma dividend kill? Taxpayers fund the research while shareholders reap the rewards. Like I said BIGGER PICTURE.

 

Have you forgot what you posted already?

 

"Thailand is a developing country that as yet hasn't seen one misely shot from the developed world' is what you said.

 

Had they joined Covax they would have got some.

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

NO....Johnson and Johnson is single dose. 

Pfizer could also be the second dose of a different first.

Yes, if I could get Pfizer as my second dose to back up the first of AZ I had already, that would make me happy. However, I will not keep my fingers crossed or as my dad said, Don't hold your breath as the chickens will need to come home to roost first before anything comes to fruition.

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, J Town said:

So where do US expats start bidding for a jab?

Ebay?

[club]

2 minutes ago, sungod said:

 

Have you forgot what you posted already?

 

"Thailand is a developing country that as yet hasn't seen one misely shot from the developed world' is what you said.

 

Had they joined Covax they would have got some.

Another blunder on Thailand not to join Covax

[mtls2005]

Right now we seem to have the word of one, potentially clueless, General.

 

This can still be explained as a misunderstanding.

 

Until I hear something from Chargé d' Affaires Heath, I'm chalking this up to faux news.

 

 

It sounds like there are a lot of things being kept secret.

 

And even two senior Thai officials can't agree on what was in the secret document - some of the 1.5 MM Pfizer donation from the U.S. going to medicos as a Sinovac booster nixed because it reflects badly on Sinovac.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[club]

3 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Yes, if I could get Pfizer as my second dose to back up the first of AZ I had already, that would make me happy. However, I will not keep my fingers crossed or as my dad said, Don't hold your breath as the chickens will need to come home to roost first before anything comes to fruition.

2 jabs of AZ actually do very well against the Delta Variant. Right around 90% up there with Pfizer. The problem is the government  seems to think you only need 1 jab of AZ for full vaccination against the Delta Variant. That's what they have told the tourist coming into the Phuket sandbox,

[BE88]

 

 PM said everyone will get the AZ vaccine for next year but we shouldn't do what he is now in quarantine.

The good news is that the AZ vaccine made in Thailand will be better for catching Covid.

[club]

4 minutes ago, club said:

2 jabs of AZ actually do very well against the Delta Variant. Right around 90% up there with Pfizer. The problem is the government  seems to think you only need 1 jab of AZ for full vaccination against the Delta Variant. That's what they have told the tourist coming into the Phuket sandbox,

https://www.thephuketnews.com/no-3-day-limit-on-covid-test-documents-for-domestic-visitors-to-phuket-80572.php

[mtls2005]

3 minutes ago, club said:

The problem is the government  seems to think you only need 1 jab of AZ

 

While a lucky few have 2x AZ, most are waiting until 1 Sep (12 weeks from 7 June) for their second shot.

 

Whether the government goes ahead with a second dose, or chooses instead to vaccinate more people with one shot remains to be seen.

 

 

[club]

1 minute ago, BE88 said:

 

 PM said everyone will get the AZ vaccine for next year but we shouldn't do what he is now in quarantine.

The good news is that the AZ vaccine made in Thailand will be better for catching Covid.

I thought the goverment was saying that AZ was only for people 60+ ? Now its for everyone

[BE88]

6 minutes ago, club said:

I thought the goverment was saying that AZ was only for people 60+ ? Now its for everyone

 

Yes, the PM had also promised that everything was under control two months ago, be happy

[club]

4 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

While a lucky few have 2x AZ, most are waiting until 1 Sep (12 weeks from 7 June) for their second shot.

 

Whether the government goes ahead with a second dose, or chooses instead to vaccinate more people with one shot remains to be seen.

 

 

With the Delta Variant making up 70% of the infected , you would think the government would give you the second jab of AZ. 90% is pretty close to full vaccination instead of one jab that only gives you 33% against Delta. Its a no brainer. You would think

[club]

Just now, BE88 said:

 

Yes, the PM had also promised that everything was under control two months ago, be happy

You mean the PM that's in  Quarantine

[mtls2005]

9 minutes ago, club said:

I thought the goverment was saying that AZ was only for people 60+ ? Now its for everyone

 

You may be confused.

 

At one point AZ was the PREFERRED vaccine for over 60's, conveniently for the PM.

 

Now? Who knows? Whatever is available I guess.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[club]

1 minute ago, mtls2005 said:

 

You may be confused.

 

At one point AZ was the PREFERRED vaccine for over 60's, conveniently for the PM.

 

Now? Who knows? Whatever is available I guess.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The government is the one confused, not me . I just try to keep up with their double talk. Its not easy

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Just a side note here....

 

NOWHERE in anything that I've read on this thus far does it say that the set-side doses will be reserved just for Americans....   All the language I've seen, based on the comments of one Thai general, talks only about foreign nationals in Thailand.  Who knows what the actual conditions really are.

 

It will be interesting to see just how this plays out, and where the set-aside vaccines end up going.... and whether the U.S. Embassy will end up getting involved in their distribution, or will wash their hands of the whole thing, and leave it to the Thai government.

 

[mtls2005]

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

and whether the U.S. Embassy will end up getting involved

 

Imagine they're frantically putting together a lengthy letter now, which will - I'm guessing - clear up any comments made by the general.

 

Probably a misunderstand/miscommunication, with any set-aside distribution being left to the Thai regime.

 

Foreigners will be designated by the regime.

 

Registration must be done in person via a lengthy trek on elephant to the most remote part of Thailand. Where, without mobile phone service, you will be directed to contact a hospital in Bangkok for registration which closed already.

 

 

 

So much for any goodwill for returning their lintels.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[club]

6 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Just a side note here....

 

NOWHERE in anything that I've read on this thus far does it say that the set-side doses will be reserved just for Americans....   All the language I've seen, based on the comments of one Thai general, talks only about foreign nationals in Thailand.  Who knows what the actual conditions really are.

 

It will be interesting to see just how this plays out, and where the set-aside vaccines end up going.... and whether the U.S. Embassy will end up getting involved in their distribution, or will wash their hands of the whole thing, and leave it to the Thai government.

 

Your right it doesn't say anything about going to Americans.  The US Embassy needs to get involved 

[SooKee]

Just shows how sincere the politically correct platitudes they spout daily at their covid updates really are.  From "vaccinate everyone"  to "no one is safe until everyone is safe" to having to tell people that foreigners must get 20% of the vaccines which, if they weren't being donated by a Western nation, they wouldn't be getting at all.  Rich too that they have to plead with the (otherwise racist) populace to understand.  Of course there is also the the fact that the message that foreigners must get 20% of the donated vaccines can also be interpreted as meaning 'otherwise you'd get sweet FA!'.

Covid has sure brought out the worst in the worst Thais and the country's image won't come out of this at all well IMO, not that it had much of an image anyway, except in the imagination of people for whom the borders of Thailand is where the world stops.  

[bipper]

2 hours ago, wensiensheng said:

You appear to have forgotten what you posted, so let me remind you;

 

 

 

“None. Why?

Because the millions of vaccines exported from India to the richest countries in the world completely disproves the rhetoric. Thailand is a developing country that as yet hasn't seen one misely shot from the developed world and millions from China albeit its usefulness is in question against Delta.

 

Gates is full of $£€$. It is all about money.”

 

notice those underlined words. Japan is indeed in Asia, but is also a developed country. Unfortunately for you, you did not say “non Asian developed country”. So Japan is “in the reckoning”.

 

had Thailand opted to be in Covax, it would have received vaccines from developed nations as part of that program. It opted out. So that fact is annoying in the sense that it makes the intent of your statement (sic that Thailand is a poor country neglected by developing countries), simply nonsense. And totally relevant.

 

French nationals located in Thailand received vaccines and so Thailand did not have to provide them. Tantamount to France giving vaccines to Thai people.

 

I see you have failed to provide any linkage to Bill Gates, but introduced some deflection about my being a big pharma supporter. Pointless narrative.

 

summery? Your statement that Thailand “hasn’t yet received one miserly shot from the developed world” is utterly untrue.

 

best just admit it, or keep quiet.

Japan is developed but it is an Asian country. The fact is no non Asian developed country has given vaccines to Thailand fot its own population.

 

Still not responded to India, here's Gates and India. There's lots more if you look it up.

 

https://thediplomat.com/2021/06/why-are-indians-so-angry-at-bill-gates/

 

Seems you don't understand what Covax is. It is a vehicle to purchase vaccine. It most certainly has nothing to do with the fact that the west hasn't yet given one miserly shot to Thailand!

 

They've made a lot of mistakes here but the equitable distribution thoughout the world needs very careful consideration after this no matter how you twist it.

 

Here's the Covax mission statement:

• Doses for at least 20% of countries' populations
• Diverse and actively managed portfolio of vaccines
• Vaccines delivered as soon as they are available
• End the acute phase of the pandemic
• Rebuild economies

 

 

 

Edited July 6, 2021 by bipper

[bipper]

1 hour ago, sungod said:

 

Have you forgot what you posted already?

 

"Thailand is a developing country that as yet hasn't seen one misely shot from the developed world' is what you said.

 

Had they joined Covax they would have got some.

Brazil is a Covax country, so is India, Indonesia, Pakistan and the Philippines to say nothing of most African countries.

 

If this was supposed to be the answer they have an awful lot to answer for.

 

It's absolutely not the answer to stopping infection and death. Its a procurement machine and it hasn't worked while a small portion of the world continue to own and control the vaccines.

 

This is a much bigger picture than covax for the open of mind.

Edited July 6, 2021 by bipper

[whiteman]

Yes, easy to fill the quota of non-Thais:

 

1. Burmese, etc, factory workers, and 

2. Thailand's stateless residents    Do not forget us  10 Kiwis that also live here hidden in the background they would never miss the 20 shots and then crow to the nz government that they took care of the whole nz race over here ????

[pmarlin]

3 hours ago, Surelynot said:

This is going to do wonders for our image..........I imagine many Thai's will be rejoicing at the news we will get 20% of 'their' vaccines.

Not their vaccine. Donated to Thailand thanks to the tax payers in America.  If they don't get that <deleted> them.

[wensiensheng]

9 minutes ago, bipper said:

Japan is developed but it is an Asian country. The fact is no non Asian developed country has given vaccines to Thailand fot its own population.

 

Still not responded to India, here's Gates and India. There's lots more if you look it up.

 

https://thediplomat.com/2021/06/why-are-indians-so-angry-at-bill-gates/

 

Seems you don't understand what Covax is. It is a vehicle to purchase vaccine. It most certainly has nothing to do with the fact that the west hasn't yet given one miserly shot to Thailand!

 

They've made a lot of mistakes here but the equitable distribution thoughout the world needs very careful consideration after this no matter how you twist it.

 

Here's the Covax mission statement:

• Doses for at least 20% of countries' populations
• Diverse and actively managed portfolio of vaccines
• Vaccines delivered as soon as they are available
• End the acute phase of the pandemic
• Rebuild economies

 

 

 

I see you have decided to amend your first incorrect statement and now wish to make it that “ no non Asian developed country” has donated vaccines to Thailand. very wise, your first statement that “no developed country”had donated vaccine to Thailand  was false.

 

I haven’t responded to the stuff that you posted about India, for the simple reason I have nothing to say about it. The only part of your post to which I responded was the piece that made a false statement, that I wished to correct. You have now done that yourself of course, by adding in the “non Asian”    caveat.

 

I still don’t see a link between Bill Gates and Thailand. But never mind, you obviously do.

 

covax, consider this quote from Dr Seth Berkley CEO of GAVI

 

“For lower-income funded nations, who would otherwise be unable to afford these vaccines, as well as a number of higher-income self-financing countries that have no bilateral deals with manufacturers, COVAX is quite literally a lifeline and the only viable way in which their citizens will get access to COVID-19 vaccines.”

 

whether being a participant of covax would have resulted in Thailand receiving funded vaccine supplies, I cannot say.  Since they decided not to be a participant, I can say with certainty, they will not.

 

since you have amended your original false statement, I think we are done here.