2 minutes ago, nkg said:

 

If Thailand have 100+ covid deaths per day and 10,000 covid infections per day, why worry about the Phuket Sandbox?

 

The real danger is closer to home.

 

So why are those running the country worrying about the sandtrap?Worrying about the sandtrap and diverting vital vaccines from the elderly and vulnerable is contributing to the numbers of deaths we are seeing now.

5 minutes ago, anchadian said:

,............ it shouldn’t be overlooked that there is also another new high - 6,327 people were discharged from care and were able to go home

Surprised that there hasn't been available graph of 'net admissions' 

Folk admitted to health care facilities minus discharged. 

Or does it already exist.

Might not have much meaning with the number of folk self isolating at home and many just don't report/test.

15 minutes ago, dan42 said:

Okay, this looks really ugly now. They must put the whole country under full lockdown ASAP. I don't understand what the hell they are waiting for.

There are de minimus cases in Phuket and many other provinces. Full lockdown in Bangkok and surrounding provinces and the Malaysia bordering provinces yes but the rest of the country no.

1 minute ago, FarFlungFalang said:

So why are those running the country worrying about the sandtrap?Worrying about the sandtrap and diverting vital vaccines from the elderly and vulnerable is contributing to the numbers of deaths we are seeing now.

 

Here comes the broken record, endlessly repeating itself. Do you inflict this sanctimonious waffle on the people you know in real life?

14 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Although there are record highs for deaths and new cases today in #Thailand, it shouldn’t be overlooked that there is also another new high - 6,327 people were discharged from care and were able to go home. We must be thankful for any good news we can get. Stay safe and #StayHome

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1416203738033778689

 

The high number of discharges allowed more admissions, which allows for a higher number of reported new cases.

 

The key number is net admissions, how many additional patients were squeezed into the hospital system after accounting for discharges.

Just now, Pattaya Spotter said:

There are de minimus cases in Phuket and many other provinces. Full lockdown in Bangkok and surrounding provinces and the Malaysia bordering provinces yes but the rest of the country no.

Don't forget the 7 provinces recently added to the dark red list.....

Chon Buri, Chachoengsao, Rayong, Ratchaburi, Udon Thani, Surin, Ubon Ratchathan

10 minutes ago, nkg said:

 

Here comes the broken record, endlessly repeating itself. Do you inflict this sanctimonious waffle on the people you know in real life?

As a matter of fact I'm well know for not discriminating when it comes to sanctimonious waffle!Just ask my family.You could say I'm an equal opportunity sanctimonious waffler.

22 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

It looks like the 6,300+ discharges plus 141 deaths freed up a few hundred more beds than yesterday, so they were able to squeeze in more patients into the hospital system. More hospital admissions = higher case numbers.

 

or, there was additional testing. Hopefully, more info will be released later today.

Or the number was just higher given the amount of deaths. Yes i know its a delayed thing but its getting worse and worse. I think its safe to assume the situation is getting worse. Not sure why you constantly link people discharged to beds freed up. That only works when there are more people released then taken in. Given the numbers are 9-10k each and every day less and less beds are available. Does that not mean according to you each and every day less tests ? I mean you seem to think that more people out of the hospital means more test have done. So the opposite a gradually overload would result in less tests. 

 

A gradual overload is just what is happening as the number of people tested positive has each and every day surpassed the people released. So by your logic each and every day less tests are done.

14 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

They are waiting for natural herd immunity which is pretty obvious from the current settings as those that ruin (oops I spelt run incorrect) this country have been vaccinated so now there is now rush for vaccines and no priority given to the elderly and vulnerable.

No vaccines for elderly and vunerable but plenty

for Phuket and Pattaya so a handful of tourists can come.

4 minutes ago, nkg said:

 

Here comes the broken record, endlessly repeating itself. Do you inflict this sanctimonious waffle on the people you know in real life?

He is right bit strange that you don't see that most countries in the world prioritized health workers first then the elderly with underlying disease. Here its sandbox first the hell with the rest.

Not sure what other measures they can do (they blew it with vaccines, as all know all too well), other than give every province what Bangkok already has.

 

Maybe 'tailor shops' are non-essential, so all the ones along Sukhumvit could be shut as another 'visible measure', but food stores and restaurants cannot be closed, lest they intend to starve people. In fact, delivery is better than going into a crowded grocery store, so perhaps they should consider allowing food joints to stay open longer than 8PM. Better a Grab driver delivers a sandwich or Panang Gai than folks stand in long lines hoarding toilet paper in a grocery store or Big C.

 

What we're likely to see are border locks between all provinces and, of course, the proverbial ban on demon alcohol.

23 minutes ago, dan42 said:

Okay, this looks really ugly now. They must put the whole country under full lockdown ASAP. I don't understand what the hell they are waiting for.

A full national lockdown would reduce the numbers, but without a proper national vaccination programme won't the numbers start to rise again once the lockdown ends? Could the whole country be locked down for months?

Just now, ryane66 said:

No vaccines for elderly and vunerable but plenty

for Phuket and Pattaya so a handful of tourists can come.

Perhaps you mean Samui rather than Pattaya...... not much sign of vaccines here.

The following chart is my recap of how new COVID cases in Thailand have changed between yesterday and a week prior by region, using the daily province/region reports posted on the NBT website.

 

The Central region actually shows a decline in cases during the past week because the largest province Bangkok on Friday posted its lowest daily total of the week and third consecutive daily decline in reported cases, down about 30 percent from a week ago.

 

Offsetting that, though, the North, Northeast and East regions of the country all showed major growth in new COVID cases during the week, as Thailand reported new COVID cases reaching all 77 provinces in the country.

 

https://www.facebook.com/nbtworld/photos

 

Just now, Walker88 said:

Not sure what other measures they can do (they blew it with vaccines, as all know all too well), other than give every province what Bangkok already has.

 

Maybe 'tailor shops' are non-essential, so all the ones along Sukhumvit could be shut as another 'visible measure', but food stores and restaurants cannot be closed, lest they intend to starve people. In fact, delivery is better than going into a crowded grocery store, so perhaps they should consider allowing food joints to stay open longer than 8PM. Better a Grab driver delivers a sandwich or Panang Gai than folks stand in long lines hoarding toilet paper in a grocery store or Big C.

 

What we're likely to see are border locks between all provinces and, of course, the proverbial ban on demon alcohol.

So you don't think they'll do this?

Two of the additional #COVID19 measures being considered by the govt for Metro Bangkok are permitting people to leave homes only on Mon, Weds & Fri and shutting down supermarkets plus restaurants on alternate day. Be prepared folks. #Thailand

4 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Don't forget the 7 provinces recently added to the dark red list.....

Chon Buri, Chachoengsao, Rayong, Ratchaburi, Udon Thani, Surin, Ubon Ratchathan

They Province numbers keep going up and reactive approaches are not working, thats probably why a Thailand wide lockdown is now needed as a circuit breaker, those provinces with lower numbers can then be eased out gradually.

The problem is not the rising numbers the problem is no end in sight and no hope since the virus keeps mutating and reinfecting the same people like a convection oven keeps on cooking. The best Prime minister Pinocchio can do is spray down streets and bark at people to wash their hands. Will he cling to his precious Sinovac brown envelopes until Thailand becomes a 4th world country? He cannot swallow his pride and admit the dirty Farang mRNA vaccines made in filthy Farang land are the answer. 

24 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Bang Lamung/Pattaya (156)

that is very worrying indeed, weekly totals now exceeding 1000 with a small population in pattaya recently much reduced and yet the still allow an influx of people from other places such as Bangkok

 

without the option of an effective vaccine this puts many of us at great peril 

 

I have been isolating at home now for over a week - no other option 

 

Take care everyone this is a very dangerous situation 

2 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

A full national lockdown would reduce the numbers, but without a proper national vaccination programme won't the numbers start to rise again once the lockdown ends? Could the whole country be locked down for months?

Three months lockdown; army and police deployed to control the measures and provide food to those in need; during these months buy vaccines and design the logistics to vaccinate the whole country. IMHO the time for soft measures is over.

6 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The high number of discharges allowed more admissions, which allows for a higher number of reported new cases.

 

The key number is net admissions, how many additional patients were squeezed into the hospital system after accounting for discharges.

You do know that the 'hospital system' now includes, for example, the 5000 bed 'field hospital' at Suvarnabhumi Airport?

 

Net infections are rising. The 'net' number is substantially higher than what the plain old 'new infection number' was just a short time ago.

 

Ergo, it's getting worse. That it isn't 100% fatal is small comfort when the universe of those on death watch grows by the day.

34 minutes ago, AndyFoxy said:

Finally admitting a few more deaths. IMHO there are a lot more than this.

Exactly as doctors are often not performing autopsies on people you have passed away before arriving, as they don't receive and payment.

IMO the figures are a complete sham it's lagging by miles

Army helicopters brought in equipment for a 200 bed field hospital close to me yesterday. I am told it is for children but not sure if this is the case. There are many factories in this area with many people from Myanmar getting infected so I'm not entirely sure who it's for at this point. Guarded by armed soldiers. 

21 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

So the Doctor that predicted 10,000 infections per day,

before end of the month was correct, now looking at  what

the next level is to break, with all these people getting

the Sinovac jab and thinking they are protected, it's

not looking good.

regards Worgeordie

 

Why should 'all these people' with two doses of Sinovac not feel they have some protection?

 

"More recently, however, published news reports from the Indonesian city of Kudus have worried Filipinos. According to these news reports, 350 health care workers in this city in central Java became infected with the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2 despite being fully vaccinated. Dozens were hospitalized. For some people, especially those who were vaccinated with Sinovac, this report is terrifying. "

 

"And yet the numbers say otherwise. First of all, there appear to be about 5,000 health care workers in Kudus, all of whom have been vaccinated against COVID-19 with Sinovac. This suggests that 4,650 did not get infected with the Delta variant. This translates to a 93% protection rate! Moreover, since healthcare workers are at high risk for COVID-19 because they are exposed to high levels of virus in their workplace, we can conclude that the protection for a typical person, a typical Filipino, would be at least as good as 93% if not higher!"

 

https://www.rappler.com/voices/thought-leaders/analysis-sinovac-vaccine-still-effective-covid-19-vaccine

This is what strict lockdowns are intended to avoid, get it done now before its too late!!

 

BREAKING! Ramathibodi Hospital, a major state hospital runs by prestigious Mahidol University, shuts its emergency room after 300 medical personnel became infected with COVID-19.

 

https://twitter.com/PravitR/status/1416193068169146372

 

5 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

The following chart is my recap of how new COVID cases in Thailand have changed between yesterday and a week prior by region, using the daily province/region reports posted on the NBT website.

 

The Central region actually shows a decline in cases during the past week because the largest province Bangkok on Friday posted its lowest daily total of the week and third consecutive daily decline in reported cases, down about 30 percent from a week ago.

 

Offsetting that, though, the North, Northeast and East regions of the country all showed major growth in new COVID cases during the week, as Thailand reported new COVID cases reaching all 77 provinces in the country.

 

https://www.facebook.com/nbtworld/photos

 

Central region -12%. Would this have anything to do with not testing in workers camps/C19 prisons.

10 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Don't forget the 7 provinces recently added to the dark red list.....

Chon Buri, Chachoengsao, Rayong, Ratchaburi, Udon Thani, Surin, Ubon Ratchathan

Any idea re travelling taxi to Bkk and return from Pattaya tomorrow for AZ jab for Ozzie’s ? Medical reason for travel OK?

43 minutes ago, webfact said:

Thailand on Saturday (July 17) reported 10,082 new COVID-19 cases and 141 additional deaths over the past 24 hours. 

Why no number in the title thread? Seems strange. 

Just now, Olmate said:

Any idea re travelling taxi to Bkk and return from Pattaya tomorrow for AZ jab for Ozzie’s ? Medical reason for travel OK?

I read that vaccination appointments are a valid reason, logically they must be.

Just now, Olmate said:

Any idea re travelling taxi to Bkk and return from Pattaya tomorrow for AZ jab for Ozzie’s ? Medical reason for travel OK?

At the moment as long as it's not during the overnight curfew, you should be fine.  But most people seem to think the new restrictions will limit inter-provincial travel.  That said, I'd like to think a medical reason will be accepted even with tighter restrictions.

9 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

So you don't think they'll do this?

Two of the additional #COVID19 measures being considered by the govt for Metro Bangkok are permitting people to leave homes only on Mon, Weds & Fri and shutting down supermarkets plus restaurants on alternate day. Be prepared folks. #Thailand

If they want to maximize infection rates, I think what you quote is exactly what they will do. Incompetence is a full time job.

 

Imagine the crowds at grocery stores on Mon, Wed & Fri!