Who will never vaccinate except if forced to for visa reasons ? and do you think that they will force us ?

[Scott]

9 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

I think think the 99% recovery rate speaks for itself....

Continuing to post false information WILL earn a suspension.  The survival rate is NOT 99%.  In addition to being false, who will get seriously ill, die or have long-term effects are not taken into account.

 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-970830023526

 

[johng]

21 minutes ago, Scott said:

 

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-970830023526

 

from the article above.   higher than 98.2% survival rate ???

 

THE FACTS: As of July 23, there were more than 34.3 million known cases of COVID-19 in the United States and 610,370 deaths, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. That means the case fatality ratio -- or the portion of known cases that result in death in the country -- is 1.8%. In other words, on average, 98.2% of known COVID-19 patients in the U.S. survive. Because the true number of infections is much larger than just the documented cases, the actual survival rate of all COVID-19 infections is even higher than 98.2%.

[Scott]

3 minutes ago, johng said:

from the article above.   higher than 98.2% survival rate ???

 

THE FACTS: As of July 23, there were more than 34.3 million known cases of COVID-19 in the United States and 610,370 deaths, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. That means the case fatality ratio -- or the portion of known cases that result in death in the country -- is 1.8%. In other words, on average, 98.2% of known COVID-19 patients in the U.S. survive. Because the true number of infections is much larger than just the documented cases, the actual survival rate of all COVID-19 infections is even higher than 98.2%.

And as stated it is false, but more importantly it is misleading.  

 

The message is misleading. The average for the entire country cannot be used to calculate an individual’s chance of dying from the virus. The likelihood that a COVID-19 infection will result in death increases with age and if the patient has a pre-existing condition..

[pgrahmm]

3 hours ago, leba said:

 

 

Can someone tell me how to report misleading posts ? I have quoted one that is clearly a lie.

no vaccine prevent infection as much as 90%, or covid would not still be so high in countries vastly vaccinated.

Please someone remove if this forum is fair...

 

 

 

 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

15 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Here’s a clue: if everyone were to get vaccinated, the epidemic would be over.

Good luck getting all 8 billion ( and increasing ) people on the planet vaccinated.

[thaibeachlovers]

21 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

All vaccines depend on technology. You just don’t like Covid vaccines because your internet friends send you lies about vaccines, and most of those lies are generated by Russian disinformation factories.

 

 

Here’s a hint for you: Sinovac is a traditional killed virus vaccine.

Sinovac is not available where I live.

[placeholder]

18 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Good luck getting all 8 billion ( and increasing ) people on the planet vaccinated.

Well, they've managed to vaccinate most infants against polio. A massive campaign to eliminate smallpox through vaccination has succeeded. So what is the rational basis of your comment?

[Jeffr2]

50 minutes ago, johng said:

from the article above.   higher than 98.2% survival rate ???

 

THE FACTS: As of July 23, there were more than 34.3 million known cases of COVID-19 in the United States and 610,370 deaths, according to data from Johns Hopkins University. That means the case fatality ratio -- or the portion of known cases that result in death in the country -- is 1.8%. In other words, on average, 98.2% of known COVID-19 patients in the U.S. survive. Because the true number of infections is much larger than just the documented cases, the actual survival rate of all COVID-19 infections is even higher than 98.2%.

And they admit they've under counted. Especially in the beginning. Only covid deniers stick to this bogus number.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Well, they've managed to vaccinate most infants against polio. A massive campaign to eliminate smallpox through vaccination has succeeded. So what is the rational basis of your comment?

Well, have you considered that the vaccines apparently require multiple doses, in some cases 3 and maybe more after to come.

The examples you give required one. Cost alone indicates that poor countries will simply be unable to afford to vaccinate their entire population multiple times- I believe some companies increased their prices recently.

IMO western taxpayers will not accept paying for everyone in poor countries, which is apparently what some organisations want.

 

BTW, in some countries, some children are apparently not vaccinated for polio because of religious beliefs.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2727330/

Religious opposition by Muslim fundamentalists is a major factor in the failure of immunization programs against polio in Nigeria (2), Pakistan (3) and Afghanistan

[johng]

5 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

And they admit they've under counted. Especially in the beginning. Only covid deniers stick to this bogus number.

Are we reading  different articles ? 

 

58 minutes ago, johng said:

In other words, on average, 98.2% of known COVID-19 patients in the U.S. survive. Because the true number of infections is much larger than just the documented cases, the actual survival rate of all COVID-19 infections is even higher than 98.2%.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Well, have you considered that the vaccines apparently require multiple doses, in some cases 3 and maybe more after to come.

The examples you give required one. Cost alone indicates that poor countries will simply be unable to afford to vaccinate their entire population multiple times- I believe some companies increased their prices recently.

IMO western taxpayers will not accept paying for everyone in poor countries, which is apparently what some organisations want.

 

BTW, in some countries, some children are apparently not vaccinated for polio because of religious beliefs.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2727330/

Religious opposition by Muslim fundamentalists is a major factor in the failure of immunization programs against polio in Nigeria (2), Pakistan (3) and Afghanistan

I know it’s a struggle for you, but can you leave your issues with Muslims me out of this discussion.

 

 

[Jeffr2]

13 minutes ago, johng said:

Are we reading  different articles ? 

 

 

Did you miss moderator Scott's post. Seems so.

[Jeffr2]

19 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Well, have you considered that the vaccines apparently require multiple doses, in some cases 3 and maybe more after to come.

The examples you give required one. Cost alone indicates that poor countries will simply be unable to afford to vaccinate their entire population multiple times- I believe some companies increased their prices recently.

IMO western taxpayers will not accept paying for everyone in poor countries, which is apparently what some organisations want.

 

BTW, in some countries, some children are apparently not vaccinated for polio because of religious beliefs.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2727330/

Religious opposition by Muslim fundamentalists is a major factor in the failure of immunization programs against polio in Nigeria (2), Pakistan (3) and Afghanistan

And yet the UAE is one of the most vaccinated countries in the world. Hmmmm....

 

And let's not even get into religious opposition going on in the US.

[Jeffr2]

53 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Good luck getting all 8 billion ( and increasing ) people on the planet vaccinated.

No need for all to be vaccinated. Just a super majority. Amazing those who have the ability to get the shots opt out for ridiculous reasons. Misinformation is deadly.

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Jeffr2 said:

No need for all to be vaccinated. Just a super majority. Amazing those who have the ability to get the shots opt out for ridiculous reasons. Misinformation is deadly.

Did you not read the post I quoted.

Duh.

[placeholder]

23 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Well, have you considered that the vaccines apparently require multiple doses, in some cases 3 and maybe more after to come.

The examples you give required one. Cost alone indicates that poor countries will simply be unable to afford to vaccinate their entire population multiple times- I believe some companies increased their prices recently.

IMO western taxpayers will not accept paying for everyone in poor countries, which is apparently what some organisations want.

 

BTW, in some countries, some children are apparently not vaccinated for polio because of religious beliefs.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2727330/

Religious opposition by Muslim fundamentalists is a major factor in the failure of immunization programs against polio in Nigeria (2), Pakistan (3) and Afghanistan

 

"CDC recommends that children get four doses of polio vaccine. They should get one dose at each of the following ages: 2 months old, 4 months old, 6 through 18 months old, and 4 through 6 years old."

 

Polio Vaccination: What Everyone Should Know | CDC

https://www.cdc.gov › vaccines › vpd › polio › public

 

 

 

 

 

 

[johng]

3 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Did you miss moderator Scott's post. Seems so.

I am quoting from the article that the moderator Scott linked to

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-970830023526

 

where they "fact check" this claim.

 

CLAIM: If you are unvaccinated, you can get COVID and have over 99% chance of survival. If you get vaccinated, you can STILL get COVID and will still have over 99% chance of survival.

 

Are you suggesting that the "fact checked" article is incorrect ?

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

 

"CDC recommends that children get four doses of polio vaccine. They should get one dose at each of the following ages: 2 months old, 4 months old, 6 through 18 months old, and 4 through 6 years old."

 

Polio Vaccination: What Everyone Should Know | CDC

https://www.cdc.gov › vaccines › vpd › polio › public

 

 

 

 

 

 

I only got one dose ( drank it out of a little cup ) and that was when I was older than 10, but don't remember exact year. Far as I know everyone only got one dose back then.

Times change I guess.

Never had measles/ mumps/ rubella vaccine as didn't exist, and deliberately infected with measles, got chicken pox naturally, only one smallpox scar for sure.

[Tony125]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Sinovac is not available where I live.

And if you notice countries such as Thailand and I think Singapore  are no longer ordering Sinovac because it's the weakest of all present vaccines at protecting from infection, hospilization and death. The old ways are not always the best way.  The Mrna vax do not chage your DNA ,check how they are made and what they do to the body.  Time changes things, why rely on old tech. We can now make vaccines faster more targeted than before. For persons who say the old vaccines were 1 shot and gave lifelong immunity remember this is not a virus that normally affects humans ,it is a bat virus that crossed over to humans so the vax and body don't handle the infection or ability to fight it as well.

 

Surge in Covid in NZ

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/new-zealand-covid-cases-hit-record-despite-vaccination-push/ar-AAPGh8d

 

 

[Tony125]

 

 

FDA mulling to allow 'mix-and-match' COVID-19 vaccine booster shots: report

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fda-mulling-to-allow-mix-and-match-covid-19-vaccine-booster-shots-report/ar-AAPGmGe

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, johng said:

I am quoting from the article that the moderator Scott linked to

https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-970830023526

 

where they "fact check" this claim.

 

CLAIM: If you are unvaccinated, you can get COVID and have over 99% chance of survival. If you get vaccinated, you can STILL get COVID and will still have over 99% chance of survival.

 

Are you suggesting that the "fact checked" article is incorrect ?

The vaccinated have 10 times better chances of survival from Covid than the unvaccinated. 

[Danderman123]

4 hours ago, redwood1 said:

I think think the 99% recovery rate speaks for itself....

Nope. 

 

You are forgetting Long Covid, which I wouldn't wish on anyone. 

 

You seem to have a fixation on minimizing the worst pandemic in a century. No idea how you got twisted into that. 

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, johng said:

Are we reading  different articles ? 

 

 

And you forget that there are large numbers of undiagnosed Covid deaths. If you add in those deaths, the survival rate is not so good. 

 

Why do you only present one side of the story? Are you trying to educate people, or convince them? 

[cdemundo]

14 hours ago, redwood1 said:

I think think the 99% recovery rate speaks for itself....

How many activities would you take part in with a 1/100 death rate?

You consider a 1% death rate low?

Compared to what?

[cdemundo]

8 minutes ago, thefactoryoutlet said:

no country will ever vaccinate the whole population, you like it or not, it will never happen and it's so great actually that billions people around the world resist this whole BS !

 

 

Thank you for your insightful analysis.

I find it thoughtful and compelling.

[CharlieH]

Reported mis information and response removed.

[Danderman123]

22 minutes ago, thefactoryoutlet said:

no country will ever vaccinate the whole population, you like it or not, it will never happen and it's so great actually that billions people around the world resist this whole BS !

 

 

What BS are you talking about? 

[cdemundo]

26 minutes ago, thefactoryoutlet said:

no country will ever vaccinate the whole population, you like it or not, it will never happen and it's so great actually that billions people around the world resist this whole BS !

 

 

"it's so great actually that billions people around the world resist this whole BS !"

 

7.9 billion people in the world.

Do even 1 billion resist the vaccine?

That would be 12.5% of the world population.

If you say billions that would imply at least 25% of the world's population is resisting.

 

You will eventually need a proctologist considering where you are pulling your numbers from.

 

Most of the 7.9 billion want the vaccine.

Great that billions want to live.

[redwood1]

13 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

What BS are you talking about? 

The BS list is so long I could fill up the next 5 pages....

[cdemundo]

27 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

The BS list is so long I could fill up the next 5 pages....

so you can't think of anything off the top of your head?