Thailand reports daily record of 16,533 new coronavirus cases

[smedly]

40 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

They say they're jabbing about 20,000 people per day at the Bang Sue location... which is the largest vax center in Thailand right now...  And, it shows...from the photos!

 

But the way they've been (mis) handling the logistics there.... I can't understand. The government said the other day that Thais from outlying provinces have been rushing there lately to try to get a walk-in vaccination, before the walk-in process ends at the end of this month.

 

these people probably think that once they have been vaccinated they are protected so they don't care about mass gatherings like this 

 

how wrong they are - at least 4 weeks before the first jab offers any meaningful protection - this is a mass spreading event no two ways about it.

[ThailandRyan]

6 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Starting from tomorrow at 9am, the following groups of people can register with their phone operators for a vaccination appointment at Bang Sue Grand Station:

Aged 18+

Aged 60+ and those with 7 underlying conditions It is not known yet if foreigners can take part.

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1420210732818341890

 

As I indicated in my post above from what I saw on the news at this point it appears to be for Thai's only which is very frustrating.  Been trying to get the GF vaccinated but they keep on telling her she is to young and she is not Thai.  In a holding pattern until she can get into our hospital for an MRNA vaccination when they open it up to registering.  Was told August sometime.

[smedly]

31 minutes ago, internationalism said:

so no detailed info, how provinces and districts are doing, situation with available beds, including field and hospitel.

But they jump strait that they vax policy is right and quote german research. The difference is, that thailand won't have mRNA vax until the end of year, contracts were signed just the last week for moderna and pfizer.

How they can count on them now?

That is very remote perspective in a dier situation we are here now. 

People are taking any vax available, there is no choice till the next year

here is a post I made  from another thread about mixing vaccines and why they are doing it 

 

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There is a very simple explanation for why they want to mix vaccines  

 

1. Sinsovac has shown to be less effective against delta and over time 3-6 months protectect fades.

 

2. They have already committed to millions of Sinovac but still not enough on its own, also I suspect some fancy fexible accounting going on.

 

3. They do not have enough AZ - not even close 

 

so they are trying to compromise by boosting sinovac with AZ because they have no choice - sinovac on its own is not good enough but they have committed to it.

 

The reality is as everybody knows - they have messed up big time 

 

It also seems that people who have recieved sinovac already will need a do-over with AZ or another vaccine because of the above - so they are basically up the creek without a paddle 

 

[SCOTT FITZGERSLD]

my conclusions after 15 months of observing and studying the corona situation are two:

 

1. lockdowns do not work, because you cannot lock the whole country forever, lockdowns are

only good for helping the system to gain time and to organise.

 

2. vaccines do work, but not in reducing infections. vaccines are good for preventing hard symptoms.

 

3. thailand should look at mexico and do as mexico did. open all country NOW and accept 20-40 thousands covid deaths a year, until full vaccinations.

otherwise, the death toll from broken ecobomy will be much higher.

[smedly]

30 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

The place is massive and extremely well staffed. It's not a stand around job doing the crowd control. They work very hard and it's very well organized. 

it doesn't matter - those photos show a catastrophic spreading event - I cannot believe you hung around once you saw this - it is just wrong on every level - delta is highly contageous - there was a case in Australia were a person was infected just walking past someone infected - confirmed through CCTV and testing, they breathed the same air very briefly  

 

I hope you are ok and were extremely lucky

[koratkarlos]

In the lead picture to this story where the technician is COVID testing the patient, the fan is blowing the wrong way.  Why would you ever do COVID testing and let all of the air from the patients blow all over you.  Maybe switch things around and blow the air outwards.  Bless us all

[Danderman123]

4 minutes ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

my conclusions after 15 months of observing and studying the corona situation are two:

 

1. lockdowns do not work, because you cannot lock the whole country forever, lockdowns are

only good for helping the system to gain time and to organise.

 

2. vaccines do work, but not in reducing infections. vaccines are good for preventing hard symptoms.

 

3. thailand should look at mexico and do as mexico did. open all country NOW and accept 20-40 thousands covid deaths a year, until full vaccinations.

otherwise, the death toll from broken ecobomy will be much higher.

There is a flaw in your logic.

 

If hospitals are swamped by infections, then the death toll increases significantly. Lockdowns serve to delay infections, so hospitals are not swamped, present country excepted.

 

Also, Mexico is a catastrophe with excess mortality stats showing the death toll around 500,000 in the last year.

[Why Me]

9 minutes ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

vaccines do work, but not in reducing infections. vaccines are good for preventing hard symptoms.

Wrong. It does both. But it's a numbers game. No vaccine is 100% in preventing infection. Which no one claims either. Even if it's 90%, 100 out of 1000 vaccinated will get infected.

 

And the reason that vaccines reduce infections and prevent severe symptoms in case of infection is the same: the body's resistance to the virus is enhanced.

 

[The Cipher]

5 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Also, Mexico is a catastrophe with excess mortality stats showing the death toll around 500,000 in the last year.

So about 0.004 of total pop. What a catastrophe. ????

[onthedarkside]

A post with unfounded / unsourced speculation about the counting of COVID deaths in Thailand has been removed.

 

[sucit]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Another new high has been reached today while Prayut estimates this will affect the country for only another 2, 3 or 4 weeks............crystal ball in play again, while the Thai population suffers, hospitals now closing to all new patients due to being full and in Bangkok the remainder are overflowing.

 

Volunteers are fighting for the lives of those at home unable to secure medical treatment. The communal care being provided by the organizations is amazing and without them many more Thai's would be dying at home.

 

Total of 16,533 new infections, with 202 of those from prison and 14,321 in the community. 133 covid deaths recorded.

 

Rolling 7 day average (up to 26^th July) which includes prison cases and bar chart of community cases from daily official announcements.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/country/thailand

Right. The numbers are going up. And this is exactly the type of acceleration you’d expect after a very unnatural regulation like stopping border traffic. 

 

This rate was caused by policy. Same as when you suppress fires… there is just gonna be a bigger fire one day.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

8 minutes ago, The Cipher said:

So about 0.004 of total pop. What a catastrophe. ????

Don't see anything good about Mexico (the green line below) when it comes to COVID deaths. Currently a higher per capita death rate than Thailand, the U.S. and the world overall...and that's AFTER coming down from much higher rates earlier in the pandemic.

 

 

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths

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[Olmate]

31 minutes ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

my conclusions after 15 months of observing and studying the corona situation are two:

 

1. lockdowns do not work, because you cannot lock the whole country forever, lockdowns are

only good for helping the system to gain time and to organise.

 

2. vaccines do work, but not in reducing infections. vaccines are good for preventing hard symptoms.

 

3. thailand should look at mexico and do as mexico did. open all country NOW and accept 20-40 thousands covid deaths a year, until full vaccinations.

otherwise, the death toll from broken ecobomy will be much higher.

15 months wasted! 

[anchadian]

46 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Starting from tomorrow at 9am, the following groups of people can register with their phone operators for a vaccination appointment at Bang Sue Grand Station:

Aged 18+

Aged 60+ and those with 7 underlying conditions It is not known yet if foreigners can take part.

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1420210732818341890

 

That's when overcrowding problems start. 

 

Only a few days left for walk-ins at the Bang Sue Grand Station vaccination centre. Starting from 1st August it is by appointment only. Many people have said they don’t trust the registration system and want to try their luck #Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1420222397886590978

 

[edwinchester]

13 minutes ago, The Cipher said:

So about 0.004 of total pop. What a catastrophe. ????

What is 0.004.......%?

[James105]

 

21 minutes ago, smedly said:

it doesn't matter - those photos show a catastrophic spreading event - I cannot believe you hung around once you saw this - it is just wrong on every level - delta is highly contageous - there was a case in Australia were a person was infected just walking past someone infected - confirmed through CCTV and testing, they breathed the same air very briefly  

 

I hope you are ok and were extremely lucky

They are all wearing masks and nobody is drinking alcohol so this is perfectly safe and responsible behaviour.    How can they possibly catch corona if everyone is wearing a mask?   

[Danderman123]

22 minutes ago, The Cipher said:

So about 0.004 of total pop. What a catastrophe. ????

Your math is wrong. 

 

More to the point, you are dismissing 500,000 deaths as No Big Deal, when it's pretty much the greatest tragedy in the history of Mexico. 

 

Imagine that your entire family were wiped out, and someone said, "No problem, it's just a small fraction of a percent compared to the entire population ".  Once you get to a mental state where the needs of the economy outweigh deaths of hundreds of thousands, or millions, then you are in a bad place. 

 

So this post doesn't get deleted, I will tie it back to Thailand, since that is what the debate is about:

 

Would you trade a million deaths in exchange for dropping all restrictions? 

Edited July 28, 2021 by Danderman123

[anchadian]

4 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

They are all wearing masks and nobody is drinking alcohol so this is perfectly safe and responsible behaviour.    How can they possibly catch corona if everyone is wearing a mask?   

Single mask protection is not adequate and pretty sure a very few were using two mask protection.

[Bkk Brian]

Health Officials Can't Agree Whether Thailand Has Enough Medical Oxygen

 

Thailand health officials contradicted each other Tuesday over how much medical oxygen Thailand has to combat the epidemic. 

 

Somsak Akksilp director general of the Medical Services Dept said shortage of oxygen for treating covid 19 patients is becoming an increasing problem.

 

https://bangkokherald.com/featured/health-officials-cant-agree-whether-thailand-has-enough-medical-oxygen-amid-illegal-tank-smuggling/

[Misty]

Can anyone post a link which shows the latest vaccinations per day data for Thailand?  I have the link below from Reuters, but it may be a week or so old. Things may have accelerated since then:

 

"During the last week reported, Thailand averaged about 229,585 doses administered each day."

 

https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/thailand/

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

They are all wearing masks and nobody is drinking alcohol so this is perfectly safe and responsible behaviour.    How can they possibly catch corona if everyone is wearing a mask?   

 

You obviously know the answer, but just don't want to acknowledge it.. But I'll answer anyway...

 

1. the new Delta variant is much more contagious than the original and UK versions of the virus.

 

2. While the typical drugstore and cloth type face masks worn by most Thais help reduce virus spread, they're not nearly as effective as the better / more effective N95 class masks that most Thais don't have and probably can't either source or afford.

 

[The Cipher]

2 minutes ago, edwinchester said:

What is 0.004.......%?

Lol. Sure, I'll help you with this.

 

I am using the 500,000 annual excess deaths claim made by another poster. I did not fact check that claim. I am further assuming that 100% of excess deaths are caused by Covid-19. I am using 127 million as the population of Mexico per my quick Google search.

 

So we have 500,000/127,000,000 = 0.004 (rounded).

What does that mean? The 'catastrophic' hit to Mexico's population (his words, not mine) amounted to less than one half of one percent of Mexico's population before even considering population growth. Since you asked for that in percentage terms, that would be ~0.4%.

[Bkk Brian]

41 minutes ago, SCOTT FITZGERSLD said:

my conclusions after 15 months of observing and studying the corona situation are two:

 

1. lockdowns do not work, because you cannot lock the whole country forever, lockdowns are

only good for helping the system to gain time and to organise.

 

2. vaccines do work, but not in reducing infections. vaccines are good for preventing hard symptoms.

 

3. thailand should look at mexico and do as mexico did. open all country NOW and accept 20-40 thousands covid deaths a year, until full vaccinations.

otherwise, the death toll from broken ecobomy will be much higher.

Interesting to note the two people who have liked your post so far. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

5 minutes ago, Misty said:

Can anyone post a link which shows the latest vaccinations per day data for Thailand?  I have the link below from Reuters, but it may be a week or so old. Things may have accelerated since then:

 

"During the last week reported, Thailand averaged about 229,585 doses administered each day."

 

https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/thailand/

 

 

 

 

The weekend and holiday rates usually are around 100K per day. The normal weekday rates typically are mid-200Ks up to over 300K, depending.

 

There's consistently a BIG difference between the weekday numbers and the weekend numbers.  The fall off of the weekend numbers brings down what otherwise would be a higher daily average.

 

 

 

Edited July 28, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[The Cipher]

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Would you trade a million deaths in exchange for dropping all restrictions? 

A million in a population the size of Thailand is a little steep. I try and keep it within 1% of beginning pop.

 

Change that number to 700,000 and my response would be "hell yes, where do I sign?"

[Misty]

1 minute ago, The Cipher said:

A million in a population the size of Thailand is a little steep. I try and keep it within 1% of beginning pop.

 

Change that number to 700,000 and my response would be "hell yes, where do I sign?"

And if you or someone you really care about is one of those deaths, is it still "hell yes, where do I sign" ?

 

[anchadian]

4 minutes ago, Misty said:

Can anyone post a link which shows the latest vaccinations per day data for Thailand?  I have the link below from Reuters, but it may be a week or so old. Things may have accelerated since then:

 

"During the last week reported, Thailand averaged about 229,585 doses administered each day."

 

https://graphics.reuters.com/world-coronavirus-tracker-and-maps/countries-and-territories/thailand/

 

 

 

From yesterday's update:

https://twitter.com/KhaosodEnglish/status/1419915913021722628

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, The Cipher said:

A million in a population the size of Thailand is a little steep. I try and keep it within 1% of beginning pop.

 

Change that number to 700,000 and my response would be "hell yes, where do I sign?"

Just gone on ignore, disgusting statement you should be ashamed.........

[Bkk Brian]

PM orders agencies to urgently crack down on individuals spreading Covid-related fake news

Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha ordered responsible agencies via his @prayutofficial Facebook page on Tuesday to take action against individuals spreading Covid-19 fake news that might cause public confusion during the pandemic.

 

His post came in response to social media rumours that the Bang Sue vaccination centre would be shut down to prevent overcrowding.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003853

[The Cipher]

1 minute ago, Misty said:

And if you or someone you really care about is one of those deaths, is it still "hell yes, where do I sign" ?

Yes. If I end up dying from Covid, assuming that the math at that time is the same as now, my opinion on the situation will be identical.

 

This isn't an appropriate audience for this debate, but proper governance ought to be cognizant of scale, even if that means that they have to be agnostic about personal tragedies. It is possible to feel bad for every death that occurs, while understanding that (implicitly) allowing those deaths to occur might nevertheless be the best way forward.