28 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

So exercise outside your home is permitted in the deep-red zones? 

Not sure it's allowed just for exercise, but we always do end up stopping and buying something to put in the bag we carry to support the vendors. Trying to stay mindful of who is around us and yes we run in masks as well.  Depression is also a killer and with the closing of pools and parks well then the rates of suicide would increase.  Folks are still walking to work as far as we can see and the One Bangkok and other large construction sites are still going full bore with hundreds of workers, which either walk to or from as well as being picked up in the large transport trucks in the evenings. 

1 hour ago, rott said:

Long ago I asked (can't remember where) how exactly herd immunity developed from 70% inoculated, ie physically how does it happen. 

I got jumped all over and told that herd immunity is a "concept" and not a physical reality. Can any on here tell me any different. 

On the basis that a picture is worth a thousand words, below is a diagrammatic representation of how herd immunity works.

 

As the article it is taken from states:

 

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“Herd immunity” can happen once a large part of a population—say 70-90%—develops immunity to a disease.

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Once a community has established herd immunity, someone without immunity is less likely to be exposed to an infectious individual during an outbreak. For example, because there are more people with immunity in the population, there are fewer people susceptible to infection, and thus the number of potential transmissions is limited. Similarly, those who are immune will not be infected, and thus will not transmit the disease to others.

Herd Immunity For COVID-19

13 minutes ago, James105 said:

This sums up the dilemma that people face with stupid rules made by stupid people.    

- We have the WHO scientists who say that you should not exercise with a mask.  

- We have internet keyboard scientists and the idiots that closed the parks that claim you should wear a mask when exercising.   

- We have all the suitable outdoor spaces where it is easy to exercise by yourself away from others closed.  

- There are less people exercising now due to the parks and gyms being closed and face mask requirement.  

- We know that inactive people are more likely to get severe corona than active people.    

- We do not have enough hospital beds so the less people that exercise, the more people that catch corona will need them, and this means less people saved from corona and more people dying.    

 

Do you see the problem here?    

Whether or not to wear masks while exercising outdoors IS a dilemma.  It is indeed unhealthy to exercise outdoors while wearing a mask especially on hot days where it becomes wet from your sweat and almost impossible to breath through. 

 

On the other hand, not wearing one increases your risk of infection to you and others (in spite of being more socially distanced when running or cycling for instance) because you are breathing much harder due to cardio exertion (more of a chance to inhale errant viruses and exhale them to others around you).

 

Even though you may be more "socially distanced" while running or cycling, you still are passing by strangers at close range constantly unless you are out on an open deserted beach or lonely country road.

 

So, what's the answer?  I have a home gym that I work out in by myself, and that's where I get my cardio now until restrictions ease up.  I hate not being able to run and swim and bike outdoors, but doing all of those things with a mask on is just workable for me.

2 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Why don't Thai billionaires put their hands in their deep pockets? 

They are saving for space travel and that ain't cheap.

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Today's COVID death toll of 165 is about TRIPLE what the typical daily road deaths figure for Thailand used to be... although in recent days those numbers have been around 10-15 per day.

 

All the folks here who used to post -- ohh but there are more road deaths every day in Thailand than COVID deaths -- seem to have moved on to other deflections and distractions.  Don't hear that argument any more these days.

 

Roads deaths have been high for decades...Covid deaths should peeter out over the next few months as vaccinations ramp up. So vehicles are, and will continue to be, much more deadly than Covid. 

5 minutes ago, James105 said:

Yes they should exercise in whatever way they can.   Inactive people are more likely to get severe illness from corona than active people.  It is the socially responsible thing to do to be as fit and healthy as possible to reduce the likelihood that you will take up a valuable hospital bed that could be used to save someone else's life.   

These posts about exercise, in the main coming from the already fit and healthy are lame.

It's true that that type of person is less likely to be seriously affected by covid and require hospitalization.

 

The vast majority (especially expats) are in an older and less mobile state. 

Exercise options may be limited.

This chit chat about ability to exercise is very much side issue. 

 

3 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Wait a minute, wasn’t this going to be closed in August due to the opening of the new hospital at Suvarnaphumi?

 

Think I found the answer to the one airport or two airports field hospitals question, unless they've changed their plans since this prior July 13 post.

 

 

Transport Minister Saksayam Chidchob informed the public that unused areas of Suvarnabhumi and Don Mueang airports will be utilized for setting up field hospitals. The arrangement of another 7,000 beds was being made because of the current COVID-19 situation causing a large number of patients to wait for treatment. He added that the Government has finalized an arrangement with Airports of Thailand (AOT), which offered the areas of the airports that were currently not in operation to allow the field hospitals on a temporary lease.
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According to Mr. Saksayam, the Suvarnabhumi Airport field hospital will open for service around August and will be able to accommodate more than three times the number of patients at Bussarakham Hospital at Impact Muang Thong Thani in Nonthaburi Province, while Don Mueang Airport is in the process of preparing a warehouse for the setting up of a field hospital, which will contain approximately 2,000 beds for patients with mild symptoms.

 

https://www.facebook.com/thailandprd/posts/4429387430417970

 

2 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Why don't Thai billionaires put their hands in their deep pockets? 

Maybe they're saving up to join in the space race.

9 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

These posts about exercise, in the main coming from the already fit and healthy are lame.

It's true that that type of person is less likely to be seriously affected by covid and require hospitalization.

 

The vast majority (especially expats) are in an older and less mobile state. 

Exercise options may be limited.

This chit chat about ability to exercise is very much side issue. 

 

I disagree.  Elderly people have just as much of a need to exercise as anyone.  Cardiovascular fitness is one of the best ways to maintain a high immune response.  It's lame to say this is not an important consideration for everyone, not just young and fit people.  Young and fit people are not immune to the dangers of Covid anymore than older people are immune to the benefits of exercise.

1 minute ago, edwinchester said:

Maybe they're saving up to join in the space race.

I've heard that before.

8 minutes ago, WaveHunter said:

I disagree.  Elderly people have just as much of a need to exercise as anyone.  Cardiovascular fitness is one of the best ways to maintain a high immune response.  It's lame to say this is not an important consideration for everyone, not just young and fit people.  Young and fit people are not immune to the dangers of Covid anymore than older people are immune to the benefits of exercise.

Not only lame, but dangerous, especially from someone calling himself a doctor.

Date in para 2 I believe should be tomorrow 30 July.

 

 

 

Photo Essay: Medical workers ask US Embassy to monitor Thai gov vaccine distribution

 

Health care workers called on the US embassy to help monitor the distribution of mRNA vaccine arriving in Thailand this week.

 

The first batch of 1.5 million mRNA vaccine doses are due to arrive on June 29 with 700,000 doses allocated to frontline health workers, while the rest would be allocated to the vulnerable with health conditions.

 

The petitioners say they are concerned that the Thai government’s ambiguous mRNA vaccine distribution for healthcare workers would be taken advantage of and be given to other agencies.

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/30526/photo-essay-medical-workers-ask-us-embassy-to-monitor-thai-gov-vaccine-distribution/

4 hours ago, Blumpie said:

Are foreigners doing this?  

Certainly not...it's only Thais who can be deported????

2 minutes ago, anchadian said:

I've heard that before.

More than 30 years ago the British Comedian and Author, Ben Elton, wrote a book called 'Stark'. It was about the world's mega rich trying to escape the ecological destruction of the world by fleeing in their own rockets.

7 minutes ago, WaveHunter said:

  Elderly people have just as much of a need to exercise as anyone.  Cardiovascular fitness is one of the best ways to maintain a high immune response.

Clearly your not elderly and maybe not even aware of mobility issues for many.

Exercise for elderly can be as simple as use the stairs in lieu of elevator.

Walk to the Tesco, etc etc.

Have a walking machine in room. 

This is all a distraction from the real issues of covid situation in Thailand.

 

Thailand’s National Health Security Office (NHSO) is enlisting the help of more than 3,000 private clinics in Bangkok to treat the "green" group of mild COVID-19 sufferers.

 

NHSO secretary-general Dr. Jadej Thammathach-Aree said the NHSO has invited the clinics to take part in delivering treatment to infected people in the home isolation program, as a rapid increase in caseloads, particularly among those in the green group or people showing few or no symptoms, has prompted authorities to seek more medical facilities.

 

https://www.facebook.com/nbtworld/posts/10158169607277050

3 hours ago, dan42 said:

Uff....not good....

 

I feel so sad especially for the people in the villages.... Being so easy to influence with rumours, misinformation and panics they must be terrified at this moment. Poor people...

 

I'm really starting to think that the EU and the US need to start paying serious attention to what is happening in SEA, sending vaccines, equipment, experts... They won't have a stable vaccines supply for some time and they don't have the luxury to go on full lockdowns for long periods so they really need help. This is a once-in-a-century situation and any help we send them could help to save many lifes.

Although, I feel sorry for all Thais suffering during these hards times, other countries should not help Thailand out with free vaccines.

 

Thailand is only in this situation due to mismanagement of their funds. 
 

If they have money to spend on submarines and huge railway projects, they can also afford vaccines and foreign consultants. So let them pay!!

 

This is the only way they learn.

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Is exercise one of the reasons people are permitted to leave their homes for? 

 

Suggest you look up the definition of "sealioning"

 

1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

What about a full moon party. 

Go for it Samui

Are they holding them there now as well as Phangan?

Samui Plus project to continue as island chief orders proactive Covid-19 tests after cluster

 

The district chief of Samui ordered immediate proactive Covid-19 tests in a bid to curb the latest cluster on the island. He also confirmed the Samui Plus project would move ahead.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003903

54 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

I don’t think that is true you know. If only 70% are vaccinated then the virus can still spread among the 30% unvaccinated and/or infect the 70% vaccinated. It makes it more difficult, but there are instances of countries reaching 70% vaccinated, only to have case counts rise. Mutations play a part, as do the efficacy of the vaccines in use and human behavior when they think the coast is clear. I don’t think 70% vaccinated is a silver bullet at all..

Well according to the places that Google refer you to that is how it works. 

Does not make sense to me either. 

As I was told initially it is a concept not a reality. The reality seems to be that with 70% (or whatever) vaccinated the others have less risk because there is less about. That was the theory of reality that I read. So in effect herd immunity just means less risk. And the spread will continually decline. 

11 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Clearly your not elderly and maybe not even aware of mobility issues for many.

Exercise for elderly can be as simple as use the stairs in lieu of elevator.

Walk to the Tesco, etc etc.

Have a walking machine in room. 

This is all a distraction from the real issues of covid situation in Thailand.

 

Not wishing to engage in a silly debate; only stating the obvious...that EVERYBODY needs to take fitness seriously as a way to maintain a healthy immune response.  It's just as important as wearing a mask or washing your hands.

117 Thai berry pickers from Thailand in Sweden are infected with the virus. One of the employers believe that they all have faked PCR tests and vaccination records. The workers have been isolated and been given food and drinks. 

12 minutes ago, khunpa said:

Although, I feel sorry for all Thais suffering during these hards times, other countries should not help Thailand out with free vaccines.

 

Thailand is only in this situation due to mismanagement of their funds. 
 

If they have money to spend on submarines and huge railway projects, they can also afford vaccines and foreign consultants. So let them pay!!

 

This is the only way they learn.

didnt both Trump and Biden keep on about America first? Get your own people sorted out then think of others

2 minutes ago, HiSoLowSoNoSo said:

117 Thai berry pickers from Thailand in Sweden are infected with the virus. One of the employers believe that they all have faked PCR tests and vaccination records. The workers have been isolated and been given food and drinks. 

https://newsfounded.com/swedeneng/covid-outbreak-of-berry-pickers-in-jamtland/

UPDATE: Phetchabun (number 49 on the chart) is only reporting 75 cases today. Still no news about the reported 3,000+ workers that tested positive last week using the Rapid Antigen Test #Thailand

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1420617632651169792

 

Disturbed by people’s suffering, a Buddhist monk decided to don a PPE suit and start travelling around Bangkok to conduct Covid-19 tests and help patients in severe condition. Read more: https://nationthailand.com/in-focus/40003904

47 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Roads deaths have been high for decades...Covid deaths should peeter out over the next few months as vaccinations ramp up. So vehicles are, and will continue to be, much more deadly than Covid. 

Using that logic, old age is the one you really have to watch out for. 5555

14 minutes ago, HiSoLowSoNoSo said:

117 Thai berry pickers from Thailand in Sweden are infected with the virus.One of the employers believe that they all have faked PCR tests and vaccination records

Pray tell how they would have been allowed to board a flight, oh wait fake certificates.  Is that even possible in todays day and age where follow-ups are supposedly being done by the airlines as well as a self attestation being signed by the flier.  Maybe faked certs in Sweden, perhaps, or is the employer grasping at straws and trying to deflect from his practices on safety.

15 minutes ago, rott said:

Well according to the places that Google refer you to that is how it works. 

Does not make sense to me either. 

As I was told initially it is a concept not a reality. The reality seems to be that with 70% (or whatever) vaccinated the others have less risk because there is less about. That was the theory of reality that I read. So in effect herd immunity just means less risk. And the spread will continually decline. 

Indeed. In fact what you (google) say, is what I said. The more vaccinated, the less risk of the virus spreading. As you move from zero to 5%, that holds true, just that the effect is negligible. Get to 50% and perhaps you start to see an overall difference in the rate of infection. Get to 70% and there is a bigger effect.

 

I think that the point both i and, it appears google, are saying is that there is no hard percentage where herd immunity is reached. Every vaccination builds herd immunity to a degree and cumulatively it builds and builds. But there isn’t a threshold which you cross and then breath a sigh of relief because you have just  reached “herd immunity”. Hence it’s a concept, not a hard target.

 

It’s just what I understand, so happy to be corrected.