Sinovac shot first then AstraZeneca yields better results than 2 shots of Sinovacs

[webfact]

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A Mix and Match approach in which a Sinovac vaccine shot is administered as the first jab, followed by AstraZeneca as the second jab yields better results against the Delta variant of the coronavirus than two doses of Sinovac, and the same efficacy as two doses of AstraZeneca with a shorter timespan, according to Thailand’s Medical Sciences Department (MSD) and Siriraj Hospital. 

 

People inoculated with one dose of Sinovac and AstraZeneca for the second dose have higher antibody levels, compared to those inoculated with two doses of Sinovac, and the same levels as those inoculated with two doses of AstraZeneca, according to Dr. Supakit Sirilak, Director-General of the MSD.

 

However, AstraZeneca for the first dose and Sinovac for the second dose is not recommended.

 

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[RichardColeman]

10 minutes ago, webfact said:

People inoculated with one dose of Sinovac and AstraZeneca for the second dose have higher antibody levels, compared to those inoculated with two doses of Sinovac, and the same levels as those inoculated with two doses of AstraZeneca, according to Dr. Supakit Sirilak, Director-General of the MSD.

So, in other words Dr's are saying Sinovac vaccine  only works well when mixed with a better vaccine ! 

[it is what it is]

21 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

So, in other words Dr's are saying Sinovac vaccine  only works well when mixed with a better vaccine ! 

 

no, they are saying it is more effective when mixed with another vaccine. thailand are following other countries in investigating increased efficacy by mixing vaccines

[RichardColeman]

2 minutes ago, it is what it is said:

 

no, they are saying it is more effective when mixed with another vaccine. thailand are following other countries in investigating increased efficacy by mixing vaccines

If I wait for AZ to make a reciprocal recommendation statement saying mix AZ with Sinovac I'll probably die of old age

[tingtong]

1 hour ago, it is what it is said:

 

no, they are saying it is more effective when mixed with another vaccine. thailand are following other countries in investigating increased efficacy by mixing vaccines

 

Somehow this option wasnt deemed best solution to vaccinate the medical staff... Pfeizer was used for that....why?

 

Another sales pitch to justify Sinovac...

Which was proven pretty uncertain to be good enough...refer to above fact regarding Pfeizer booster shot.

 

 

[Geoffggi]

Sinovac shot first then AstraZeneca yields better results than 2 shots of Sinovacs

 

 

I would also guess two shots of either AstraZeneca or Pfizer are also better than two shots of Sinovac - Now give us some useful information everyone has not already realised for themselves.

[Thailand]

Have to get rid of the Sino type vaxes some way or other. Especially as the govt continues to buy an ineffective vaccine from China.

[uli65]

 not to get any shots will be the best result for me

[USNret]

I would say that one shot of AstraZeneca yields better results than 2 shots of Sinovac. 

Edited August 19, 2021 by USNret
Typo

[Mickeymaus]

Whatever they say. We will know if this is correct or not after some time. If it is not correct the people and the economy will pay for it. 

[club]

Really!!!!!    What a surprise!

[jacko45k]

4 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

So, in other words Dr's are saying Sinovac vaccine  only works well when mixed with a better vaccine ! 

It's a hard sell getting all this stuff used up!

[ikke1959]

Everything is better than Sinovac........

[Skeptic7]

So would a shot of tequila! ????

[hotchilli]

4 hours ago, webfact said:

A Mix and Match approach in which a Sinovac vaccine shot is administered as the first jab, followed by AstraZeneca as the second jab yields better results against the Delta variant of the coronavirus than two doses of Sinovac, and the same efficacy as two doses of AstraZeneca with a shorter timespan, according to Thailand’s Medical Sciences Department (MSD) and Siriraj Hospital. 

Yeah okay... 

[hotchilli]

1 hour ago, USNret said:

I would say that one shot of AstraZeneca yields better results than 2 shots of Sinovac. 

A shot of Jameson is better than Sinovac

[itsari]

2 hours ago, tingtong said:

 

Somehow this option wasnt deemed best solution to vaccinate the medical staff... Pfeizer was used for that....why?

 

Another sales pitch to justify Sinovac...

Which was proven pretty uncertain to be good enough...refer to above fact regarding Pfeizer booster shot.

 

 

Medical staff are subjected to the virus all day every day . This means they require the best available protection .Not sure why you do not know that . I was made aware of the problem for medical staff from the media reports coming out from Wuhan in early 2020.

 

[edwinchester]

1 hour ago, uli65 said:

 not to get any shots will be the best result for me

Don't catch covid-19 and you'll be fine then.

[2long]

Is this saying something like..

"A glass of soda followed by a shot of alcohol will have more effect than two glasses of soda."?

[crazykopite]

Has Doctor Supakit had his two doses of mix and match somehow I get the feeling if asked it would fall on deaf ears or a shrug of the shoulders even the good doctor hasn’t got a clue of any long term affects it may have . It seems of late we are getting a lot of statements promoting mix and match is this a government ploy to try and convince people what a pity

that those in power didn’t have it on live TV but wait a minute they had the AZ I remember seeing the PM having his done I myself will stick to one vaccine as from experience I know if I have a whiskey followed by a vodka I will have a bad head the next day 

Edited August 20, 2021 by crazykopite

[head bender]

couldn't help but laugh when I read that headline. When I got my first shot the nurse said to me you know it's sinovac?

Yes I know 1 shot of China water and 1 AZ. Only 1/2 vax for Thai people. She thought that was very funny.

 

[brucegoniners]

Maybe because Sinovac is ????, as is Sputnik.

[oldcpu]

3 hours ago, Geoffggi said:

 

I would also guess two shots of either AstraZeneca or Pfizer are also better than two shots of Sinovac - Now give us some useful information everyone has not already realised for themselves.

More useful? How about 2 shots of Sinovac followed by a AZ booster gives significantly higher antibodies than just (only) 2 jabs of AZ ? An ongoing Thai test/study has shown that.

Edited August 20, 2021 by oldcpu

[oldcpu]

1 hour ago, USNret said:

I would say that one shot of AstraZeneca yields better results than 2 shots of Sinovac. 

Actually, it doesn't. ????

[Geoffggi]

7 minutes ago, oldcpu said:

More useful? How about 2 shots of Sinovac followed by a AZ booster gives significantly higher antibodies than just (only) 2 jabs of AZ ? An ongoing Thai test/study has shown that.

And what about three shots of AZ - where does it all end??? the point is Sinovac is below standard end of

[oldcpu]

20 minutes ago, Geoffggi said:

And what about three shots of AZ - where does it all end??? the point is Sinovac is below standard end of

The problem with 3 AZ jabs is (1) no studies done yet by Thailand and (2) more important, Thailand can't get sufficient AZ.

[mtls2005]

So, let me guess...

 

they have a lot of Sinovac on hand now and,

 

hope to have some AZ later.

 

Do I have that right?

 

 

Seems like they're trying to sucker a desperate and gullible public into taking the first vax as SV?

 

Honestly, they have a new scheme every day.

 

And they keep pushing the AZ bubble (2nd doses for what, close to 10 million people with one dose of AZ) out farther.

 

This patchwork approach may look good in powerpoint presentations with a marginally intelligent Thai government audience, but once it hits reality it fails, spectacularly.

 

From the article:

 

 

The testing was done using the Plaque Reduction Neutralization Test on six groups of volunteers.

• The first group were those vaccinated with two doses of Sinovac.
• The second group were those vaccinate with two doses of AstraZeneca
• The third group were those vaccinated with Sinovac for the first dose and two doses of AstraZeneca
• The fourth group were those vaccinated with AstraZeneca as the first dose and then Sinovac.
• The fifth group were those vaccinated with two doses of Sinovac and Sinopharm as a third booster shot.
• The last group were those vaccinated with two doses of Sinovac and AstraZeneca as a third booster shot.

 

 

Size of groups, intervals? 

 

 

 

I think I'd trust a bar-stool "doctor" before any of these morons.

 

 

 

 

 

[wensiensheng]

5 hours ago, it is what it is said:

 

no, they are saying it is more effective when mixed with another vaccine. thailand are following other countries in investigating increased efficacy by mixing vaccines

Let’s put it this way. No one, and I mean no one, is suggesting to use sinovac as a “booster” for another vaccine. Or as a second shot for another vaccine. Yes, there are various mix and match trials going on. But none where sinovac is used to enhance another vaccine.

 

obfuscate if you wish, but that is the reality. Sinovac is better than nothing, but not better than other vaccines.

 

in Thailand’s case, it is not casual curiosity causing them to try and increase the efficacy and effectiveness of sinovac by adding a dose of AZ. It’s clearly because of some concern over the efficacy and effectiveness of two sinovac doses against delta. And the only available option open to them is to use AZ as a second dose, for the simple reason that it is the only other vaccine to which they currently have access in any quantity.
 

So any investigation by the Thai’s on mix and match is born from necessity to improve on an unsatisfactory situation, not from a desire to enhance a current satisfactory situation to something even better.

[wensiensheng]

44 minutes ago, oldcpu said:

More useful? How about 2 shots of Sinovac followed by a AZ booster gives significantly higher antibodies than just (only) 2 jabs of AZ ? An ongoing Thai test/study has shown that.

A non peer reviewed Thai study. Hmm.

 

let’s see check back in 6 months time and see how the 2 sinovac with AZ booster works out in comparison to 2 AZ. No one actually knows yet.

[Turkleton]

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Sinovac shot first then AstraZeneca yields better results than 2 shots of Sinovacs

and probably even better than shots of pure Saline-water...

But this has not yet been officially confirmed.

Gosh, what a <deleted> mess that all is.