22 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

to ensure service staff are fully vaccinated and regularly tested with antigen kits, and to require customers to show proof of vaccination and negative tests.

Oh really, but not, in my opinion, with local "Ma & Pa" family run businesses out in the sticks - almost impossible to check and police!

1 hour ago, paulikens said:

whys everyone moaning? it will be the usual.... they do it for about two weeks and then you will be able to go into restaurants unchallenged. which im all for. 

2 weeks?!? More like 2 days or 2 hours. 2 weeks is giving them WAY too much credibility! 

So have I got this right:

 

If I've had just ONE vaccine -- and have a card saying so -- I can go in a restaurant in a dark red area -- as long as the staff maintain no more than 50% occupancy (????!); I can wander the dark red area mall by showing my card -- where even more shops are open -- and 'security' will check to see if my card is legitimate (????); I can go to get my hair cut and my wife to have her nails 'done'!

 

And the virus will not spread! ????????????

 

Well done!  The rest of the world say that we need TWO vaccines -- but no matter, this is Thailand! And reports in the UK media last week say that 'some' vaccines diminish their their efficacy after 6 months!

 

Does anyone know what site I can load down a forged card from?

 

 

2 minutes ago, Chiang Mai Will said:

anyone know what site I can load down a forged card from?

 

 

Coming to a street corner near you likely by tomorrow! 

That's nice, for the 24 people who have been vaccinated.

3 hours ago, Bohemianfish said:

This is probably a ruse to just open everything up. It's all scout's honor? An attempt at herd immunity sped up?

Just maybe.....

I can comfortably say without hesitation that people in this world deserve to lose their rights. There are a few countries that seem to do a great job defending themselves, but it is so clear to me taking a good enough sample, the world is just a bunch of lambs waiting to LET people steal what is rightfully theirs. 

21 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

How does being vaccinated help when vaccinated people can still get infected and spread the virus about as easily as the unvaccinated, even if they don't get so sick.

As long as unvaccinated people stay at home, the vaccinated can only transfer the virus to other vaccinated people, which means a much smaller chance of hospitalization or death.

1 minute ago, utalkin2me said:

I can comfortably say without hesitation that people in this world deserve to lose their rights. There are a few countries that seem to do a great job defending themselves, but it is so clear to me taking a good enough sample, the world is just a bunch of lambs waiting to LET people steal what is rightfully theirs. 

"Sheeple" is a fitting word. They LOVE living in fear and welcome authoritarian governments instructing their every thought and action and imposing Orwellian controls over them. They can't get enough! Bizarre...????

21 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Why would the companies that have produced life saving vaccines need immunity from prosecution?

 

shouldn’t people who falsely claim the vaccines are dangerous be prosecuted?

Because those companies knew what was coming.

 

No, people who speak the truth shall not be prosecuted. Oh, you haven't read the truth in your favorite mediavirus newspaper. 

I honestly would not be at all surprised if the vaccine turns out to be some sort of detriment in the end eg having to reboots etc, while unvaccinated have perfectly healthy and capable immune systems and need nothing. 

8 minutes ago, Xonax said:

As long as unvaccinated people stay at home, the vaccinated can only transfer the virus to other vaccinated people, which means a much smaller chance of hospitalization or death.

As long as old people stay at home, the young can only transfer the virus to other young people, which means a much smaller chance of hospitalization or death.

My Thai wife got an SMS today inviting her to call a number to get vaccinated with Sinovac and Astra Zeneca within 2 days or her chance would be gone. She is 41 years old.

 

May we now regard this as desirous and helpful or how would the knowledgeable crowd here classify that ?

21 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Why would the companies that have produced life saving vaccines need immunity from prosecution?

 

shouldn’t people who falsely claim the vaccines are dangerous be prosecuted?

WE don’t know long term vaccine effects yet. That very fact makes these companies stay well away from signing anything. If they end the world with their product they’d preferably like to keep producing more products. 

22 hours ago, realfunster said:

Not entirely sure what the table in the OP means. 

 

If there are going to be restrictions based on vaccination status, that will be a pisser as I have got a fairly long wait for my 2nd AZ shot.

 

Perhaps I would have been better off picking the much quicker administered Sinovac vaccine instead ? If I had I would be a proud ‘green card’ holder about 1 month ago, instead of having 6 weeks to wait. 

 

Anyway, if they reopen parks to all next week, I will be happy enough for now !

 

 

And what about quarantine for folks arriving from low positive case numbers zones with large 70 / 80% of citizens had 2 and some even 3 vaccinations?

 

There's several reports that other countries are reducing/cancelling quarantine on arrival in situations above, and some changing the tests needed to mostly quick response tests.

 

Seems to me there will be strong internal pressure inside Thailand to reduce quarantine for vaccinated foreigners as a way to encourage large numbers of arriving tourists. 

5 minutes ago, James105 said:

As long as old people stay at home, the young can only transfer the virus to other young people, which means a much smaller chance of hospitalization or death.

As long as unhealthy and unfit people stay home...

4 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

As long as unhealthy and unfit people stay home...

Plus pregnant women, those who are obese, high blood pressure, those with asthma and the other numerous underlying illnesses that make them vulnerable.

This interests those who have recovered from Covid and is more effective in preventing the Delta than Pfizer shots.
So can those who have recovered from Covid can have green pass as well?

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-covid-prevents-delta-infection-better-than-pfizer-shot
 

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Plus pregnant women, those who are obese, those with asthma and the other numerous underlying illnesses that make them vulnerable.

Agreed ..but these basically fit into "unhealthy and/or unfit". Guess it should include "at risk". 

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13 minutes ago, raccos21 said:

This interests those who have recovered from Covid and is more effective in preventing the Delta than Pfizer shots.
So can those who have recovered from Covid can have green pass as well?

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-covid-prevents-delta-infection-better-than-pfizer-shot
 

Yes I've read a similar study but I would not recommend anyone deliberately infects themselves with covid for protection against covid instead of having a vaccination. Covid parties are a no no

5 hours ago, Card said:

So how do we get into supermarkets located inside malls, something we can do now, unless we are double vaxed?

Very well spotted. And because I am inside the mall its only a small step for moogradod to enter any shop that is open. My experience is that the entrances to Central Festival are very well guarded - the young employee in charge at the entrance from the parking seems to get nearly a heart attack if he sees a farang approaching......but the shops inside..... ?

Easing restrictions and adjusting measures were necessary to revive the economy safely, the task force said.

 

I disagree. What easing restrictions does, is it allows the people to go back to work, it ends the sabotage of their lives, and it ends the pain and hunger. Let's be honest about this. The restrictions have been highly selective, punitive, relatively ineffective, and draconian, at best. 

22 hours ago, realfunster said:

Not entirely sure what the table in the OP means. 

 

If there are going to be restrictions based on vaccination status, that will be a pisser as I have got a fairly long wait for my 2nd AZ shot.

 

Perhaps I would have been better off picking the much quicker administered Sinovac vaccine instead ? If I had I would be a proud ‘green card’ holder about 1 month ago, instead of having 6 weeks to wait. 

 

Anyway, if they reopen parks to all next week, I will be happy enough for now !

 

 

Exactly! How could anyone understand what this means. It doesn't state clearly that you need to be fully vaxed to enter all of the reopening services. Today they just keep repeating this same news without the most important detail. On Twitter nobody seems to be sure who can go to the parks or malls on Sep 1. Even Richard Barrow doesn't have an answer yet haha. What a mess they can make out of simple thing. Most news sites only mention that you need to have a vax certificate to dine in but what about the other places. Hardly they're going to ask for it to go to the park?

 

40 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

"Sheeple" is a fitting word. They LOVE living in fear and welcome authoritarian governments instructing their every thought and action and imposing Orwellian controls over them. They can't get enough! Bizarre...????

its partly because that lets people not be responsible for anything that happens to them, and partly by the idea that life can be made risk free if enough rules are in place to deal with all the possible bad outcomes, rather than just the more probable ones. security and freedom are inversely correlated.

22 hours ago, realfunster said:

Not entirely sure what the table in the OP means. 

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, ChomDo said:

Exactly! How could anyone understand what this means. It doesn't state clearly that you need to be fully vaxed to enter all of the reopening services. Today they just keep repeating this same news without the most important detail. On Twitter nobody seems to be sure who can go to the parks or malls on Sep 1. Even Richard Barrow doesn't have an answer yet haha. What a mess they can make out of simple thing. Most news sites only mention that you need to have a vax certificate to dine in but what about the other places. Hardly they're going to ask for it to go to the park?

 

Then there's this article today, which far as I can determine, mentions nothing about customers being vaxed...only staff. 

 

Pattaya Mail: Pattaya restaurants, malls, salons can conditionally reopen on September 1.
https://www.pattayamail.com/news/pattaya-restaurants-malls-salons-can-conditionally-reopen-on-september-1-369458

2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Easing restrictions and adjusting measures were necessary to revive the economy safely, the task force said.

 

I disagree. What easing restrictions does, is it allows the people to go back to work, it ends the sabotage of their lives, and it ends the pain and hunger. Let's be honest about this. The restrictions have been highly selective, punitive, relatively ineffective, and draconian, at best. 

I don't see it like this. For instance in the Central Mall in Pattaya they found very many employees with Covid. The whole mall was then closed for desinfection. I think locations and businesses that can spread the virus need special regulations. If these businesses don't understand this they should not be allowed to open. For instance one restaurant that acts like a bar without caring about regulations can produce many sick people. We had such cases. And others had to pay  - financially and with their health or even life. This is not acceptable. 

18 minutes ago, DigitalCriminal said:

Primary source.  Here you go folks.  Mike drop moment. In the land of the blind, Data is king.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1

The most important thing in this article.

 

Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant.

Forgive me for not reading all 11 pages.
So, on Wednesday, I can get a haircut and a meal, can I get a beer with that meal?

 

3 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

 

Then there's this article today, which far as I can determine, mentions nothing about customers being vaxed...only staff. 

 

Pattaya Mail: Pattaya restaurants, malls, salons can conditionally reopen on September 1.
https://www.pattayamail.com/news/pattaya-restaurants-malls-salons-can-conditionally-reopen-on-september-1-369458

I mean seriously what an absolute circus this is becoming. 3 days to go before these new rules come into effect and nobody knows if you need to be vaxed to get into a mall or park etc. Are they making it unclear purposely or what??

 

Also, many of us who got our jabs abroad are waiting for the info how to get the Green card. Should be simple as it's already used to enter the sandbox, but I bet they can manage to make a complicated issue about that too.