I think an earlier poster summed it up pretty well

 

Thailand is adopting what a lot of countries in the west are doing but the big difference is vaccine deployment, introducing rules based on the fully vaccinated,  when the reality is Thailand is nowhere near that point - creating rules based on vaccine status when they have failed to provide the effective vaccines is an affront to 90% of the population - but hey lets see where this ends up

6 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

"We need to adjust the way we handle and live with the disease safely... by adjusting strategy and build confidence so disease control measures are in line with reviving the economy safely," task force spokeswoman Apisamai Srirangsan told a briefing.

I always thought (as does every expert in this matter) one of the best control measures was mass testing the community. They obviously think differently. 

6 minutes ago, smedly said:

I think an earlier poster summed it up pretty well

 

Thailand is adopting what a lot of countries in the west are doing but the big difference is vaccine deployment, introducing rules based on the fully vaccinated,  when the reality is Thailand is nowhere near that point - creating rules based on vaccine status when they have failed to provide the effective vaccines is an affront to 90% of the population - but hey lets see where this ends up

Exactly, same things happening in Indonesia, requiring proof of vaccine before the majority of people are vaccinated. If your going to bring in policies like this then make sure you've provided adequate jabs first otherwise you are creating more inequality in an already unequal vaccination roll out.

 

Experts have criticized the government's policy on proof of COVID-19 vaccination, deeming it "untimely" and "unfair" to the public because Indonesia is still struggling with a low vaccination rate. The policy was introduced earlier this month in several major cities on Java island, and has since been expanded to other regions across the archipelago as the government eased more restrictions. It requires people visiting shopping malls and sport venues to show a digital vaccination record via the government's mobile app PeduliLindungi.




 

 

3 hours ago, connda said:

Asked the wife tonight - "Well sweetie.  Considering we now can not get a vaccine (no less being fully vaccinated) which will in turn turn us into societal lepers who will not be allowed to shop in Big C, Tesco, or Marko in the Big City - then what do we do?

Wife:  "Shop somewhere else."  She is a pragmatic gal.

 

 Lamentations 4:15
"Go away! Unclean Unclean!!" men shouted at them. "Away, away! Do not touch us!" So they fled and wandered not in the malls nor the dining inns nor the markets.

 

3 hours ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

If you are vaccinated but, I am not, what risk do I pose to you? If you are vaccinated BUT are still able to catch and spread the virus to me.....what use is your being vaccinated to me, in relation to stopping the spread to me? The vaccine seems a bit like a treatment, it stops YOU from dying... or getting very sick, or so they say. Ok, I will go with that,. Therefore, I have no problem with you getting a vaccine. If you are vaccinated then great, the vaccines work right? So....whats the problem? 

 

Similar levels of virus.....mmmmmmm......sounds 'catching' 

 

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/delta-infection-unvaccinated-and-vaccinated-people-have-similar-levels-of-virus#Delta

 

No miraculous vaccine past, present and future, can ever prevent the virus from getting inside your nose/ear/eye/throat - in short any openings on your body - and landing on your membranes when you give it a chance. Btw, that's how infection starts. 

 

If by now, you haven't been able to distinguish between infection and diseases, or more specifically between infectiousness, transmissibility and spread, then it's time you listen to something more concrete than hearsay or dis/mis-information. Otherwise you will keep on spouting - and people around you will have to keep on putting up with, and collectively suffering the consequence thereof - endless varieties of the same nonsense. Garbage in, garbage out. Or maybe by any chance, that's your MO?

2 hours ago, Espanol said:

 

D - Distancing

M - Mask Wearing

H - Hand Washing

T - Temperature Measuring

T - Testing for Covid-19

A - Application Download and install an alert application

 

Temp measuring has always been a bit of a nonsence. For one even before delta there were a variety of symptoms fever only being one and not always present. Obviously pre-symptomatic and asymtomatic will not have a fever but are still contagious. I've seen people spraying their clothes and even their feet. Complete ignorance and fear propogated by the govt. to sell the products I'm sure they're getting some rather fat kickbacks from.

11 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

I always thought (as does every expert in this matter) one of the best control measures was mass testing the community. They obviously think differently. 

well up until now, it now seems that testing has suddenly become important going forward, the difference being they have pushed the resposibilty onto the individual 

3 hours ago, 248900_1469958220 said:

If you are vaccinated but, I am not, what risk do I pose to you? If you are vaccinated BUT are still able to catch and spread the virus to me.....what use is your being vaccinated to me, in relation to stopping the spread to me? The vaccine seems a bit like a treatment, it stops YOU from dying... or getting very sick, or so they say. Ok, I will go with that,. Therefore, I have no problem with you getting a vaccine. If you are vaccinated then great, the vaccines work right? So....whats the problem? 

 

Similar levels of virus.....mmmmmmm......sounds 'catching' 

 

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/delta-infection-unvaccinated-and-vaccinated-people-have-similar-levels-of-virus#Delta

 

Some vaccinated people are getting seriously ill and some are dying. They are being infected by someone else. 

2 hours ago, brucec64 said:

The problem is that you - meaning all the unvaccinated - cause a burden overall to society. Even though your personal risk is small, collectively there is a certainty in numbers. A percentage of cases will be hospitalized, and a smaller percentage will die. These numbers are much higher for unvaccinated. All of the hospitalized cases require a massive amount of resources, and deny other people with other illnesses the care that they require. So, you, as one person, don't really represent a risk to me, one person. But collectively, you represent a risk and cost to society. And that is a risk to me, and a cost to me.

 

But this topic has been discussed for the last 1.5 years ad nauseum. At this point, if you are still asking the question, then you will probably never understand the answer. 

Now try replacing the word “unvaccinated” with “obese” in what you said here and see if you still stand by your desire for medical apartheid based on peoples personal choices about what they put into their bodies.

7 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

That's a Yellow card needed if non vaccinated and have recovered from covid or you have had a negative ATK rapid test done in the past 7 days.

look again , ATK test is for employees not customers

33 minutes ago, James105 said:

Now try replacing the word “unvaccinated” with “obese” in what you said here and see if you still stand by your desire for medical apartheid based on peoples personal choices about what they put into their bodies.

Doesn't work the same, but good try. And medical apartheid is a little dramatic. Sounds like something you pulled straight off of infowars.com 

Offensive post reported and removed. 

 

How to translate this?

 

Customer can take a 300thb test to eat a 60thb fried rice or enjoy the 200thb foot massage?

 

On top, the 9pm curfew still mean no ordering food even for delivery after 7:40 pm ...

Hardly the dinner hours for everyone if not a Buddhist monk or a typical farmer.

8 hours ago, 2 is 1 said:

This is so pitiful as can be! Try to copy other coutrys system in Thailand, those countrys has almost vaccinated all who want vaccine! Its also one tool to "force" rest people to get vaccine, these donks think great we open restaurants and all sinovac jabbed run in ! Hallelujah all in this  business sector has saved and owners of restaurants are happy! 

Sometimes I visit a restaurant if I have visitors, normally once or twice a year, they may stay for a month so that's multiple visits.

 

No visitors, no restaurants and I'm certainly not getting visitors from abroad these days.

 

I like a few beers down some pub every now and again (like once or twice every couple of weeks) but since they closed all the bars I haven't missed it at all so for all I care they can close it all down, open it up, whatever they want - I literally don't give a <deleted> and even when they do open it up - if there's hoops to jump through - I won't be bothering.

 

6 hours ago, James105 said:

Now try replacing the word “unvaccinated” with “obese” in what you said here and see if you still stand by your desire for medical apartheid based on peoples personal choices about what they put into their bodies.

Collective healthcare cost of Covid over 2 years estimated to be between $56 Billion to $556 Billion

 

https://www.ahip.org/new-study-covid-19-health-care-costs-could-reach-556-billion-over-two-years/
 

Healthcare costs attributed to obesity in 2014 were $1.4 Trillion (and probably more now)

 

https://stop.publichealth.gwu.edu/sites/stop.publichealth.gwu.edu/files/Infographics/Fast Facts/Revised Fast Facts 7-2020/Costs of Obesity.pdf
 

I think you may be on to something here.

 

 

Post and reply with unsubstantiated claim removed.

 

13 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

How does being vaccinated help when vaccinated people can still get infected and spread the virus about as easily as the unvaccinated, even if they don't get so sick.

Do you play poker?

 

Let's just say vaccinated people are dealt more cards compared to their non vaccinated counterparts.

It's really that simple...

Show proof of a negative test? Lol They really thought this through, didn’t they?

 

And who’s going to check that all employees are vaccinated and test negative on a regular basis? Like that’s going to happen.

 

Money wins again.

8 hours ago, James105 said:

cause a burden overall to society.

Key words here.... Why didn't this apply to every other disease? How many people has HIV killed?  Way more than c19.  This kind of thinking seems to indicate that trusting giant pharmaceutical companies(who can now bear no responsibility for any adverse effects) is the solution to endemic cold/flu viruses.  Now don't misunderstand my meanings - I trust most vaccines/have received every one you can think of, except dengue.  It the approach to preventing [spread?] IMO, this cannot be done, short of total isolation and why? for a disease that has such an extremely high survival rate. That fact hasn't changed, according to every agency in the entire world. The only common factor is fear and creating fear. IMO. 

14 hours ago, neillyweilly said:

Exactly. And let's look at the demographics of the 8%.

Nonsense.

Did you mean to say ‘let’s look at the demographics through my one-eyed bias without providing any actual facts but just opinions and generalizations ’? 

 

You know who the first people were to be vaccinated in my company ?

The office maids, who live in Klong Toei, double jabbed by end of April.

 

Rest of the company is still waiting for their 2nd in a couple of weeks. 

8 hours ago, paulbrow said:

look again , ATK test is for employees not customers

You better check again yourself, it is listed next to the Covid Free Customer in the box and in yellow

The asinine Typically Thailand madness and stupidity continues...and knows NO bounds. Gimme a <deleted> break. I give this BS a red card! 

16 hours ago, DaLa said:

I cant decipher the yellow print on pink background , so I'm going to assume I can eat as of September 1st.  If my comprehension is correct it means you can't visit a 7-11 or mom and pop store or supermarket unless you have had 2 doses !

 

Whoops , just read it's a developing story, so I can expect this to be withdrawn 31st August.

"Yellow card for those who have recovered from covid with negative test result within 7 days"

I can't wait to see how this plays out at all the aharn dtam sang places and street side food carts with a metal table and plastic chairs LOL

14 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

No, they don't. Vaccinated people have a much lower chance of being infected than the unvaccinated.

 

 

 

 

I have some new information :https://www.nydailynews.com/coronavirus/ny-covid-delta-variant-pfizer-protection-past-case-20210827-kbyqgjpsyvc5rfzq6k4tdfejga-story.html#ed=rss_www.nydailynews.com/arcio/rss/category/news

NOT CORRECT.  THE RULES APPLY FOR NON VACCINATED ALSO.

See: Richard Barrow this morning.

11 hours ago, smedly said:

but hey lets see where this ends up

Like everything ends up here...<deleted>. 

13 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Do they have restaurants inside? Do they have Salons?, and better yet how about those malls that have massage venues inside.  However, we can still walk through and shop like before at the grocery store, or can we? 

 

Entrance will be like trying to get into the VIP lounge at your favorite club...

Green Card or Yellow card please Sir. 

How about the brown envelope with some cash in it. 

That works enjoy your shopping trip

It's like what comes first, the green card or the vaccines? You can't be pushing this without the vaccines being here. You know the real ones like Pfizer. Soon we will need brown envelopes to shop for food.

11 hours ago, smedly said:

the very nature of your post implies you are judging other members on this forum 

 

and by your self appointed superior position you think otherwise - meaning you know better - like I said - you don't, that doesn't detract from your right to an opinion of course but it does clarify exactly what you said - you called other posters out - I am calling you out

time for ignore i think.    lol

16 hours ago, Dart12 said:

Open for 7% of population ????

Less me who is not going to show my "papers" to go for meal.