Thailand hopes to welcome tourists to Bangkok, top cities next month

[madmen]

8 hours ago, smedly said:

what point are you trying to make 

 

Tree Town is open ? and one 7/11 opposite  and the cops will be along soon to arrest you for breathing

What are you being snarky about? I provided proof 

And it's not one 7/11 every 711 from treetown down to Tukom including many restaurants open. Get on your bike and go look ???? or take my word for it I'm staying in buhakao! 

All bars are shut but that's old news 

Your on the darkside which is very dark ATM 

 

 

 

Edited September 12, 2021 by madmen

[DrJack54]

2 hours ago, madmen said:

And it's not one 7/11 every 711 from treetown down to Tukom including many restaurants open.

I don't this is about 7/11,s 

Some folk on threads talking up Thailand for tourists. I don't understand. It's horrible at the moment. If I currently had some guests from o/s I would be hard pressed to entertain them.

Here is couple of snaps one hour ago from JayJay market. Most folk perhaps been there at some stage. Currently horrible. Nothing.

Pic of closed restaurant/bar.

Another shutters all closed so many shops. All the alley dead..nothing.

Pic main walk way. Usually such a buzz. 

Thailand needs first to open up to Thai people. Tourists will only come when 'stuff' is open. 

Obviously that includes open bars etc. 

 

[GinBoy2]

42 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

I don't this is about 7/11,s 

Some folk on threads talking up Thailand for tourists. I don't understand. It's horrible at the moment. If I currently had some guests from o/s I would be hard pressed to entertain them.

Here is couple of snaps one hour ago from JayJay market. Most folk perhaps been there at some stage. Currently horrible. Nothing.

Pic of closed restaurant/bar.

Another shutters all closed so many shops. All the alley dead..nothing.

Pic main walk way. Usually such a buzz. 

Thailand needs first to open up to Thai people. Tourists will only come when 'stuff' is open. 

Obviously that includes open bars etc. 

 

Isn't this the kinda chicken and egg many tourist destinations are facing?

 

You can't afford to open when there are no customers. Customers won't come unless venues are open.

 

Who blinks first?

 

But on the dark side, regardless I just don't see long haul passengers getting on a plane for at least the next 12 months

[DrJack54]

2 minutes ago, GinBoy2 said:

But on the dark side, regardless I just don't see long haul passengers getting on a plane for at least the next 12 months

I agree. 

Another point is that the smallish bars could easily have been given a break. They need time to slowly come up to speed. Any Oz folk would know that it's football finals time. Both AFL and NRL and this also to UK premier league etc.

Exactly this time one year ago I was at Stumble Inn Soi 4 watching AFL finals. The point is there was virtually no one there. 

If the ban on alcohol was dropped tomorrow (keep the curfew) many bars wouldn't even have staff.

The idea of tourists coming to somewhere such as Bangkok, Pattaya etc currently is a joke. There is nothing to do.

 

[GinBoy2]

33 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

I agree. 

Another point is that the smallish bars could easily have been given a break. They need time to slowly come up to speed. Any Oz folk would know that it's football finals time. Both AFL and NRL and this also to UK premier league etc.

Exactly this time one year ago I was at Stumble Inn Soi 4 watching AFL finals. The point is there was virtually no one there. 

If the ban on alcohol was dropped tomorrow (keep the curfew) many bars wouldn't even have staff.

The idea of tourists coming to somewhere such as Bangkok, Pattaya etc currently is a joke. There is nothing to do.

 

To put this perspective.

 

I work work for Delta Airlines, and I just did a search.

 

From now until 12/31 the total number of passengers booked to BKK from all US hubs on Delta and Skyteam was 274

 

So good luck with pie in the sky projections

[DrJack54]

1 minute ago, GinBoy2 said:

To put this perspective.

 

I work work for Delta Airlines, and I just did a search.

 

From now until 12/31 the total number of passengers booked to BKK from all US hubs on Delta and Skyteam was 274

 

So good luck with pie in the sky projections

Don't follow. I have no pie in sky projections. My projections would be minimal tourists. 

My thinking is that any tourists planning on coming to Thailand need their heads read. 

 

That feeling goes well into 2022.

The Phuket joke was in large down to returning Thai and expats with strong ties to Thailand. Example family etc.

Thailand currently has VERY little to offer tourists.

[Kadilo]

2 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

I don't this is about 7/11,s 

Some folk on threads talking up Thailand for tourists. I don't understand. It's horrible at the moment. If I currently had some guests from o/s I would be hard pressed to entertain them.

Here is couple of snaps one hour ago from JayJay market. Most folk perhaps been there at some stage. Currently horrible. Nothing.

Pic of closed restaurant/bar.

Another shutters all closed so many shops. All the alley dead..nothing.

Pic main walk way. Usually such a buzz. 

Thailand needs first to open up to Thai people. Tourists will only come when 'stuff' is open. 

Obviously that includes open bars etc. 

 

Yes best let everyone know it’s closed as this looks like the type of unique Thai Market everyone would have on their “to do” list soon as they arrive. 

 

 

Edited September 12, 2021 by Kadilo

[joecoolfrog]

On 9/10/2021 at 3:26 PM, LukKrueng said:

I'm with you on that, but why only vaccinated people? It is already a known fact that vaccinated people have the same chance of getting infected and infect others as well. The only uncertainty at the moment is the claim of governments and official health care authorities that vaccinated people get lighter symptoms and less of them die - however statistics from highly vaccinated countries suggests otherwise hence the push for a 3rd jab which will surely be followed by a push for a 4th, 5th and maybe later a monthly jab...

Not quite correct , vaccinated persons carry smaller viral loads so there is less chance of them passing covid on.

However the ulimate goal is maximum vaccine uptake , hence the vaccinated get incentives , the refuseniks get penalised.

[Heng]

1 hour ago, GinBoy2 said:

To put this perspective.

 

I work work for Delta Airlines, and I just did a search.

 

From now until 12/31 the total number of passengers booked to BKK from all US hubs on Delta and Skyteam was 274

 

So good luck with pie in the sky projections

That seems kind of low.   I don't have access to an Amadeus terminal but just my immediate family has 5 seats (returning to BKK) for a trip I'm on now and another 9 in December on KE,.... I don't think we're 5% of Skyteam bookings to BKK.   Haven't done a survey of friends and family but judging from their TikTok and IG feeds, I know of at least 50-60 people who are travelling (and presumably will be coming home.... Although of course other folks have their own favorite carriers/alliances). 

 

Can you see all Skyteam bookings or just Delta marketed Skyteam codeshare flights?  

Edited September 12, 2021 by Heng

[DrJack54]

1 hour ago, Kadilo said:

Yes best let everyone know it’s closed as this looks like the type of unique Thai Market everyone would have on their “to do” list soon as they arrive. 

 

 

It's clear that you don't live in Thailand.......I actually wonder sometimes if you have even visited. 

[smedly]

4 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

I don't this is about 7/11,s 

Some folk on threads talking up Thailand for tourists. I don't understand. It's horrible at the moment. If I currently had some guests from o/s I would be hard pressed to entertain them.

Here is couple of snaps one hour ago from JayJay market. Most folk perhaps been there at some stage. Currently horrible. Nothing.

Pic of closed restaurant/bar.

Another shutters all closed so many shops. All the alley dead..nothing.

Pic main walk way. Usually such a buzz. 

Thailand needs first to open up to Thai people. Tourists will only come when 'stuff' is open. 

Obviously that includes open bars etc. 

 

well said

[smedly]

3 hours ago, GinBoy2 said:

To put this perspective.

 

I work work for Delta Airlines, and I just did a search.

 

From now until 12/31 the total number of passengers booked to BKK from all US hubs on Delta and Skyteam was 274

 

So good luck with pie in the sky projections

Thailand is putting too many money grabbing conditions on so called foreign tourists - it is ridiculous 

 

here is what it should be 

 

- fully vaccinated

- one negative test before departure

 

and only when the country is properly opened and the population has been fully vaccinated with effective vaccines - they can trial run with local tourism to get things started 

 

with all the restrictions and red tape - nobody in their right mind is going to come here for a holiday (especially with 90% of 7/11's closed lol)   

 

[zzaa09]

13 minutes ago, smedly said:

well said

Yep. A heady sense that most have forgotten or don't comprehend.

Thai on Thai should be the prerequisite, as it's the backbone of the real economy.

[Kadilo]

1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

It's clear that you don't live in Thailand.......I actually wonder sometimes if you have even visited. 

Is it the competition you are scared of? 
 

Don’t forget not everyone who goes to Pattaya is a monger. Don’t worry there will be plenty left. 

Edited September 12, 2021 by Kadilo

[Blumpie]

46 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

Yep. A heady sense that most have forgotten or don't comprehend.

Thai on Thai should be the prerequisite, as it's the backbone of the real economy.

IT is.

To base ones economy solely on tourism is dangerous, but let's be honest, this was the biggest black swan we've ever seen.  

Tourism is not a light switch.  Businesses do not turn on.  IT takes time, it takes people, it takes a ramping up.  It will take a lot of time, and Thailand is nowhere near welcoming tourism back on a mass scale.  

The next problem will be the significant lack of employees.  It will be a bloodbath world wide getting tourism going again.  That is, if people do actually start to travel in mass numbers.

It will be many many many many years until things are back to normal, all vaccinated or not.  

[Bkk Brian]

32 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Is it the competition you are scared of? 
 

Don’t forget not everyone who goes to Pattaya is a monger. Don’t worry there will be plenty left. 

That market is in Bangkok not Pattaya. 

[LukKrueng]

3 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

Not quite correct , vaccinated persons carry smaller viral loads so there is less chance of them passing covid on.

However the ulimate goal is maximum vaccine uptake , hence the vaccinated get incentives , the refuseniks get penalised.

Do you have any scientific proof of your first claim? 

[GinBoy2]

4 hours ago, Heng said:

That seems kind of low.   I don't have access to an Amadeus terminal but just my immediate family has 5 seats (returning to BKK) for a trip I'm on now and another 9 in December on KE,.... I don't think we're 5% of Skyteam bookings to BKK.   Haven't done a survey of friends and family but judging from their TikTok and IG feeds, I know of at least 50-60 people who are travelling (and presumably will be coming home.... Although of course other folks have their own favorite carriers/alliances). 

 

Can you see all Skyteam bookings or just Delta marketed Skyteam codeshare flights?  

All I can see are Delta booked codeshares on Deltaterm. When I go back to work next week I'll have a look on Aero to get some United numbers

 

But you can extrapolate and add Oneworld (American which I can't see) & Star Alliance (United), but I bet the number ain't so much different to Delta's.

 

So maybe it adds up to a couple of thousand. Either way we're not getting into the 10's of thousands travelling from North America this year

Edited September 12, 2021 by GinBoy2

[tomacht8]

1 hour ago, LukKrueng said:

Do you have any scientific proof of your first claim? 

August 25, 2021, 11:26 am share The researchers in the Netherlands collected PCR smears from health workers who tested positive - some vaccinated, some unvaccinated. The laboratory examined whether the virus on the samples is also contagious, something that PCR test results cannot tell. To do this, the virus from the samples was placed in Petri dishes and presented as a kind of bait in the form of a host cell. If the virus is viable, it infects the cell and reproduces, which can be seen in the Petri dish. The researchers presented the results this week in a preprint study, which has not yet been reviewed by the specialist community. Also infectious for a shorter time Vaccinated persons had previously comparatively low CT values in the PCR tests (average 24.6 and 24.2 respectively) and thus a similar amount of virus in the nose and throat as unvaccinated persons. As the investigations in the Petri dishes showed, the particles were less often infectious: in the unvaccinated people around 85 percent carried the contagious virus, in those with a complete immunization it was around 68 percent. “That means that people who have been vaccinated are less contagious than those who have not been vaccinated,” concludes Alma Tostmann, epidemiologist and one of the study authors from Radboud University Medical Center, in an interview with science.ORF.at. In addition, those who were fully vaccinated only had a high viral load for three days. In unvaccinated people, it can take up to seven days for the CT value to exceed 30, making an infection unlikely anyway, explained the virologist Monika Redlberger-Fritz from the Medical University of Vienna: “The study is one of the first to prove this What we virologists have always suspected anyway: Vaccinated people have the advantage that they are shorter and less infectious compared to unvaccinated people. This means that they no longer play such a major role in the pandemic as unvaccinated people, who can become super spreaders. "

[GinBoy2]

6 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Don't follow. I have no pie in sky projections. My projections would be minimal tourists. 

My thinking is that any tourists planning on coming to Thailand need their heads read. 

 

That feeling goes well into 2022.

The Phuket joke was in large down to returning Thai and expats with strong ties to Thailand. Example family etc.

Thailand currently has VERY little to offer tourists.

I wasn't meaning your 'pie in sky'. More the nonsense coming outta TAT.

 

Sorry if you mistook my comments wasn't directed at you

[expat1010]

I was planning on coming early November 2021 and staying until late April 2022. However I am starting to consider alternate destinations now. As a fully vaccinated traveller there are just too many hassles to visit Thailand; between the testing and insurance and the hassles of just getting a six month tourist visa. Feel bad for the people that depend on tourism, they are not being well served by their government.

[tomacht8]

19 minutes ago, expat1010 said:

I was planning on coming early November 2021 and staying until late April 2022. However I am starting to consider alternate destinations now. As a fully vaccinated traveller there are just too many hassles to visit Thailand; between the testing and insurance and the hassles of just getting a six month tourist visa. Feel bad for the people that depend on tourism, they are not being well served by their government.

That’s true. The paperwork and the costs are enormous. I'm going to fly out of Thailand first. If I can't get my second AZ shot here ahead of time and also the vaccination paper, that means 6 days house quarantine in my hometown. I would then stay in Europe for 1 month. I would get a vaccination with J&J immediately and the stupid vaccination certificate too. Then back to Thailand. I don't think that there will be a lot of regulatory changes until the end of the year. Then Phuket Sandbox 7 + 7. Still better than a 14-day hotel jail in Bangkok. Difficult times for many.

[sqwakvfr]

When Chris Berman and Tom Jackson were on ESPN they had a feature called "Come On Man"???  My return flight to LOS lands on October 1.  I will be fully vaccinated with Pfizer and guess where I will be headed to?  My quarantine hotel.  

[tomacht8]

5 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

When Chris Berman and Tom Jackson were on ESPN they had a feature called "Come On Man"???  My return flight to LOS lands on October 1.  I will be fully vaccinated with Pfizer and guess where I will be headed to?  My quarantine hotel.  

You go ASQ Route in Bangkok?

[LukKrueng]

1 hour ago, tomacht8 said:

The researchers presented the results this week in a preprint study, which has not yet been reviewed by the specialist community

1. You didn't put a link to the original article

2. As per above the article has not been reviewed yet therefore means nothing. 

3. Follow statistics from countries with high % of vaccinations and you'll see that vaxed people still get infected and also infect others

[tomacht8]

30 minutes ago, LukKrueng said:

1. You didn't put a link to the original article

2. As per above the article has not been reviewed yet therefore means nothing. 

3. Follow statistics from countries with high % of vaccinations and you'll see that vaxed people still get infected and also infect others

1. Is in German language.

https://science.orf.at/stories/3208326/

 

2. Yes. The whole thing is in research. But from the logic it is already clear.

 

3. Vaccinated people are less contagious - but there is still a residual risk Anyone who is fully vaccinated against the coronavirus is on an equal footing with people with negative test results in Bavaria. Vaccinated and tested people have a significantly reduced risk. But they too can spread the virus.

 By Jan-Claudius Hanika The coronavirus is treacherous: infected people spread the pathogens before the first symptoms of the disease appear. They can excrete large amounts of virus in the air they breathe, but even a small amount of virus is enough to infect others. To the FAQ "What you should consider before and after the corona vaccination" People vaccinated against corona are less infectious The vaccines against the coronavirus initially protect the vaccinated against Covid 19 disease, especially against a severe course. But they also work against the spread of the virus. With vaccines currently approved in Europe, those who are fully vaccinated are 60 to 90 percent less likely to transmit the virus. But even if a vaccinated person becomes infected, he sheds significantly fewer viruses and does so in a much shorter period of time. But: Vaccinated people can also transmit the coronavirus Vaccinated people therefore have a significantly reduced risk of infecting their fellow human beings. But it doesn't go down to zero. That means: There are good reasons why people who have been vaccinated get back many of their rights. To prevent them from spreading the virus after all, they too must adhere to protective measures such as hygiene, keeping a safe distance and wearing a mask. In combination with the vaccination, the likelihood of the virus being passed on is then very low. The Robert Koch Institute assumes that fully vaccinated persons no longer play an essential role in the spread of Covid-19.

https://www.br.de/nachrichten/wissen/corona-geimpfte-sind-weniger-ansteckend-restrisiko-bleibt-aber,SVsnx6S

 

Nobody said, there is zero risk. But there is a less risk to get this virus from vaccinated people, then from unvaccinated people.

 

If you have sources that prove that vaccinated people are identically contagious compared to unvaccinated people, you can also post these sources here.

 

4. Relax. I am not your enemy.

 

Edited September 12, 2021 by tomacht8

[Heng]

6 hours ago, GinBoy2 said:

All I can see are Delta booked codeshares on Deltaterm. When I go back to work next week I'll have a look on Aero to get some United numbers

 

But you can extrapolate and add Oneworld (American which I can't see) & Star Alliance (United), but I bet the number ain't so much different to Delta's.

 

So maybe it adds up to a couple of thousand. Either way we're not getting into the 10's of thousands travelling from North America this year

Thanks for the reply.   Yes, no doubt the numbers overall are going to be low.   

[MrJ2U]

On 9/9/2021 at 10:06 PM, bartender100 said:

Been talk in the UK press that Boris is about to scrape the amber/red system for fully vaccinated tourists

Interesting.

 

[Millcx]

On 9/10/2021 at 7:44 AM, Millcx said:

Surely no go to a closed bar

Surely not help to put out all the fires in walking Street .. Maybe leave that to insurance assessors “;0) 

[sqwakvfr]

"You go ASQ Route in Bangkok?"

 

Tomacht8, yes.  1) Did ASQ BKK earlier this year.  This time I know more about it and more prepared.  The key is Grab and FoodPanda Deliveries.  2) The cost to fly international from LAX to Phuket was more than just going to BKK from LAX.