Over 84% of Thailand’s COVID fatalities had not been vaccinated

[snoop1130]

 

Over 84% of those who have died from COVID-19 in Thailand were not vaccinated, or did not have an official record of vaccination, and 7.2% had received just one vaccine dose, according to the Centre for COVID-19 Situation Administration (CCSA).

 

As Thailand logged 132 more deaths today, lower than the daily figures reported last month, CCSA Spokesman Dr. Taweesin Visanuyothin attributed the positive trend to the mass inoculation of the country’s population.

 

13,637 people died between April 1st and September 9th this year, with 95.82% of them dying in hospital. The eldest was 109 years old and the youngest was just 12 days. The median age is 67 and 12,239 had underlying diseases, with most being diabetes, hypertension, high cholesterol, kidney disease and obesity. 21 were pregnant women.

 

Full Story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/over-84-of-thailands-covid-fatalities-had-not-been-vaccinated/

 

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[Dmaxdan]

Anti vaxxers, are you listening? 

[dinsdale]

16 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

Over 84% of those who have died from COVID-19 in Thailand were not vaccinated, or did not have an official record of vaccination, and 7.2% had received just one vaccine dose,

So from this figure of over 84% (not sure what over actually means in numbers/%) unvaccinated and 7.2% with one jab died then around 8.8% with two jabs have died. Sorry this doesn't make sense.

Edited September 13, 2021 by dinsdale

[tomazbodner]

4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

So from this figure of over 84% (not sure what over actually means in numbers/%) unvaccinated and 7.2% with one jab died then around 8.8% with two jabs have died. Sorry this doesn't make sense.

It might. Vulnerable groups would be only ones with 2 jabs?

[Sparktrader]

6 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

So from this figure of over 84% (not sure what over actually means in numbers/%) unvaccinated and 7.2% with one jab died then around 8.8% with two jabs have died. Sorry this doesn't make sense.

Yes it does. Vaccine 90% protection. Meaning up to 10% deaths possible if weak. Vaccines only protect the middle up. Weak die daily from flus eyc.

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, tomazbodner said:

It might. Vulnerable groups would be only ones with 2 jabs?

Maybe it's what they've been jabbed with? Double jabbed dying at a higher rate than single jabbed?

[darksidedog]

It can simple be summed up by stating you are less likely to die if you have been vaccinated, but that is hardly great news for the large majority of the country who have still been unable to get even one or praise the Gods, two of the necessary jabs.

Behind the headlines is the unspoken admission that the vaccine rollout was very late to start, very slow to roll out and has resulted in  many unnecessary deaths.

Headline tends to suggest it was their own fault for being too stupid to get a vaccine, when in truth it is the government incompetence to blame.

[Sparktrader]

84/10 = 8.4%

 

About right. 10 times less death as doctors say.

 

Anyone who thinks vaccines stop deaths are out of touch. Just reduces risk in mid level cases. Very weak people die regardless.

[keithsimmonds]

Just now, darksidedog said:

It can simple be summed up by stating you are less likely to die if you have been vaccinated, but that is hardly great news for the large majority of the country who have still been unable to get even one or praise the Gods, two of the necessary jabs.

Behind the headlines is the unspoken admission that the vaccine rollout was very late to start, very slow to roll out and has resulted in  many unnecessary deaths.

It could also be "summed up"...that if you are fit and healthy you are less likely to die.....

[JustAnotherHun]

23 minutes ago, Dmaxdan said:

Anti vaxxers, are you listening? 

No anti vaxxer, but listening. And I hear:

This data says nothing. You need to know the percentage of fully vaxxed, half vaxxed and non vaxxed people and set it into relation.

What a BS

[Sparktrader]

13 minutes ago, JustAnotherHun said:

No anti vaxxer, but listening. And I hear:

This data says nothing. You need to know the percentage of fully vaxxed, half vaxxed and non vaxxed people and set it into relation.

What a BS

Age of deaths

Underlying conditions

 

Vaccines help mid level people. Strong people dont need it. Weak die anyway. Same with flu vaccines.

 

If you take vit d, zinc eat onions and berries for quercetin your immune system is s o much stronger.

Edited September 13, 2021 by Sparktrader

[DrPhibes]

This jives with a recent report out of the US of about the same % in ICU as being unvaccinated.  The rest were having only 1 but not the other required vaccination, those who were aged, and strong underlying conditions.  In ICU that had been fully vaccinated was about 4% almost all with underlying conditions or very old.  Get vaccinated if you can for Christ's sake!

Edited September 13, 2021 by DrPhibes
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[MrJ2U]

23 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Age of deaths

Underlying conditions

 

Vaccines help mid level people. Strong people dont need it. Weak die anyway. Same with flu vaccines.

 

If you take vit d, zinc eat onions and berries for quercetin your immune system is s o much stronger.

Good idea to get vaccinated.

 

The Delta variant is affecting younger people.

https://www.france24.com/en/health/20210812-young-people-hit-hard-by-long-covid-as-delta-variant-surges

 

 

The other stuff you can use if it makes you feel better.  Be good for the common cold if not anything else.

Edited September 13, 2021 by MrJ2U

[Phoenix Rising]

49 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

84/10 = 8.4%

 

About right. 10 times less death as doctors say.

 

Anyone who thinks vaccines stop deaths are out of touch. 

And anyone who claims that is..........nope, better not.

[EricTh]

What do you mean by 'no official record of vaccination'? I thought everyone vaccinated in Thailand has an official record.

[EricTh]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

So from this figure of over 84% (not sure what over actually means in numbers/%) unvaccinated and 7.2% with one jab died then around 8.8% with two jabs have died. Sorry this doesn't make sense.

Even after the second jab, we still have to wait around 7-10 days for our immune system to slowly build-up the stronger antibodies. So we are still vulnerable during these 7-10 days but with less risk than only one jab.

 

Here's the science behind it.

 

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/science/the-science-behind-vaccines-and-how-long-to-wait-before-being-immune-1.4595100

 

 “The first dose will offer you some protection after the immune system has responded to it, but having a second dose after an interval rapidly boosts both the numbers and the quality of your antibodies and your T-cells against the virus, within a week or so,” he explains.

“The newly produced antibodies are even better than the first antibodies by changing so that they stick even more tightly to the virus and more effectively prevent it from infecting our cells. This antibody maturation is the main reason why two doses of the vaccines protect us even better than just one. And in an era where we are seeing variants emerge, we want the best immunity possible.”

 

Edited September 13, 2021 by EricTh

[ChaiyaTH]

Most recent studies Israel said that people with 2x vaxx Pfizer had 6x higher chance on Delta strain issues than people who had generic covid beforehand (which is similar to a generic flu). So in this case, we miss a lot of facts to make any statements, let alone news reports. 

Not to forget we had this huge pneumonia incidents around late 2019, which were never to be found later on in the news. Did we have covid there up north before it ever became a thing? And in that case, those people are safer than vaccinated people too. 

[coolcarer]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

So from this figure of over 84% (not sure what over actually means in numbers/%) unvaccinated and 7.2% with one jab died then around 8.8% with two jabs have died. Sorry this doesn't make sense.

The Bangkok Post has a more detailed article on this news today, the figure for deaths in fully vaccinated people is 107 or 0.8%. No mention of which vaccines, 

[Tim207]

1 hour ago, Dmaxdan said:

Anti vaxxers, are you listening? 

"Over 84% of Thailand’s COVID fatalities had not been vaccinated"

 

it makes me sad to see people use headlines and stories like this as if it shows anything about this vaccine. Key data points are absent from the article. What percent of the population is vaccinated being the most basic one. For instance, without taking in other factors such as who is most likely to be vaccinated, if 16% of the population is vaccinated then this statistic would show no difference in death rate between vaccinated and unvaccinated.

 

There is also the issue of the timeline. Deaths of unvaccinated have been counted over a far longer duration as vaccines have only been administered recently. You could have just as easily given these people grape cool-aid and come up with these statistics.

 

This article is nothing more than an attempt to convince people to get vaccinated. it is sad to me that so many people can be so easily manipulated. 

 

if you want to get vaccinated get vaccinated, if you don't, don't. I don't care, it makes no difference to me. Please don't allow pseudo-science and garbage statistics in the media to influence your decision. There are risks in either choice and the decision is deeply personal which depends on an individuals helth conditions.

 

My current stats:

At least 8 friends and family  cofirmed infected and recovered (more suspected}

1  73 year old died who had multiple other issues

 

At least 18 friends and family vaccinated with no or minor side effects

1 47 year old died from bloodclotting believed due to vaccine

1 43 year old suffering from multiple symptoms consistent with known side effects of vaccine

 

 

 

[Artisi]

1 hour ago, darksidedog said:

It can simple be summed up by stating you are less likely to die if you have been vaccinated, but that is hardly great news for the large majority of the country who have still been unable to get even one or praise the Gods, two of the necessary jabs.

Behind the headlines is the unspoken admission that the vaccine rollout was very late to start, very slow to roll out and has resulted in  many unnecessary deaths.

Headline tends to suggest it was their own fault for being too stupid to get a vaccine, when in truth it is the government incompetence to blame.

Yep, government incompetence. entirely.... 

[TooMuchTime]

2 hours ago, JustAnotherHun said:

No anti vaxxer, but listening. And I hear:

This data says nothing. You need to know the percentage of fully vaxxed, half vaxxed and non vaxxed people and set it into relation.

What a BS

Majority of people just read headlines and don't think any further.  They don't realize these numbers mean different things depending on whether 1% are injected or 90% are.

[cclub75]

2 hours ago, Dmaxdan said:

Anti vaxxers, are you listening? 

Loud and clear.

 

Sorry... i have a plane to catch to go to... Israel.

 

It seems they have rather different data overthere. ????

 

Vaxxers are you listening ?

[mahtin]

3 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

Age of deaths

Underlying conditions

 

Vaccines help mid level people. Strong people dont need it. Weak die anyway. Same with flu vaccines.

 

If you take vit d, zinc eat onions and berries for quercetin your immune system is s o much stronger.

Take vit d? Not enough sun for you here?

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

In UK / USA latest is around 97% covid deaths reportedly unvaxxed.

“Different” Data  in Israel ? So what, the pattern is clear.

Like different data showing the earth is 4.6 or 4.7 billion years old.

Nobody disputing its at least 4.6. Same with non- vax covid deaths……

[frantick]

How do I read this? If 16% are deaths of vaccinated (partially/wholly) out of a country where only, at most 20% are vaccinated, that doesn't sound good for the vaccinated crowd.

[Soikhaonoiken]

84% of un-vacciated people died, and these deaths are the fault of the Thai Government due to the lack of vaccinating the population, 

The PM & Deputy PM Anutin should be ashamed of themselves.... 

[tingtong]

Curiously, officially 83% of the population aren't fully vaccinated...

So the numbers kinda in line.

 

( Per recent official data 17% got the double jabs so far)

[Meat Pie 47]

5 hours ago, Dmaxdan said:

Anti vaxxers, are you listening? 

I am not an anti vaxxer and I am not vaccinated I get my flu shot every year but due to

circumstances I have not been vaccinated yet. Hold your horses. I am not in Thailand at the moment 

I am in the west and have no problems getting vaccinated. Let me explain why I am not

vaccinated. So I had my flu shot (like every year) than I had to wait for a few weeks to get my covid shot OK? But in those few weeks I broke my leg (not nice at all) So I could not attend a clinic or

just an GP to get my jab.I am still waiting to get a lift to the GP of my friend since the GP,s

don't make house calls for Covid-19 vaccination. So not every body is an anti vaccer OK?

[Swiss1960]

This statistic is so full of complete BS... 

 

OF COURSE, a much higher number of COVID sufferers who were NOT vaccinated die ... BECAUSE IN THAILAND ALMOST NO ONE IS VACCINATED... thank you, government, for NOT taking care of your people.

 

Every other discussion you people had above - including being vaccer or antivaccer etc, is fully irrelevant. 

[zzaa09]

2 hours ago, Swiss1960 said:

This statistic is so full of complete BS... 

 

OF COURSE, a much higher number of COVID sufferers who were NOT vaccinated die ... BECAUSE IN THAILAND ALMOST NO ONE IS VACCINATED... thank you, government, for NOT taking care of your people.

 

Every other discussion you people had above - including being vaccer or antivaccer etc, is fully irrelevant. 

Well.....not almost no one.

18% as of today and growing substantially as every week passes. 

Finally got it into gear after months of mismanaged BS.