Thai ladies’ morality- I have no idea what they are thinking

[BangkokReady]

2 minutes ago, Broken Record said:

if

If Thailand was different, Thailand would be different.  That much I can agree with.

[Neeranam]

32 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

These girls only hope is a naive, older farang, who thinks dark skin is exotic.  

And then they wonder why they don't have any Thai male friends! 

[473geo]

12 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I came in 1992, aged 27.

 

It's amazing the older guys who belive the <deleted> told to them, like farang are better in bed, have bigger member, Thai men cheat, etc. In reality, they are just after money and rich Thai men would NEVER dream of marrying a dark-skinned Buriram Noi..

These girls only hope is a naive, older farang, who thinks dark skin is exotic.  

So what? many of the Isaan girls are way more sexy than the product thrown up in the latest Thai beauty contest, rich Thai men are welcome to them, and the associated medical touch up costs that go with them.

I've met many kind thoughtful people in Isaan, your attitude leans towards a rather flat learning curve for the years you have been welcomed in Thailand.

Rather you use any available cliche to knock the old boys who have arrived in Thailand for good time if not a long time! Do you seriously think foreign guys give a flying flock what rich Thai men do? 

[BangkokReady]

 

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

33 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

These girls only hope is a naive, older farang, who thinks dark skin is exotic.  

And then they wonder why they don't have any Thai male friends! 

Did you just reply to your own comment?  And are you saying that foreigners don't have Thai male friends because they like dark skinned girls... so kind of not very nice people?

[JustAnotherHun]

7 minutes ago, Broken Record said:

My Grandfather was in Germany in 1945 at wars end, many German woman had to do whatever it took to put food on the table.

...or just to get nylons, chocolate or other things that were not available for them. Or to escape for a moment the reality in a widely destroyed country with a lack of men.

It mus have been hundreds of thousands of these women.

[Neeranam]

1 minute ago, 473geo said:

So what? many of the Isaan girls are way more sexy than the product thrown up in the latest Thai beauty contest, rich Thai men are welcome to them, and the associated medical touch up costs that go with them.

I've met many kind thoughtful people in Isaan, your attitude leans towards a rather flat learning curve for the years you have been welcomed in Thailand.

Rather you use any available cliche to knock the old boys who have arrived in Thailand for good time if not a long time! Do you seriously think foreign guys give a flying flock what rich Thai men do? 

I've lived in Issan for many years and know MANY kind, thoughtful people and have many good friends. There is nothing wrong with dark skin, I like it myself.  A Buriram Noi is a decription of a farming girl who goes to Pattaya to escape poverty by finding an old farang guy. 

Nothing wrong with old guys coming here for a good time but it's extremely hard for them to assimilate or integrate into Thai society. Granted, most don't want to or can't learn the language, which is needed to do such a thing. What I dislike is when these type of foreigners start criticizing the culture that they have no intention of joining. 

 

[BangkokReady]

8 minutes ago, 473geo said:

I've met many kind thoughtful people in Isaan, your attitude leans towards a rather flat learning curve for the years you have been welcomed in Thailand.

A lot of anger coming from the two people involved in that conversation.  And they call others "bitter".

 

Who worries about what rich Thai people who don't like people brown skin think about anything?

 

And boasting about speaking Thai or how long they've been here... yawn!

Edited December 30, 2021 by BangkokReady

[Neeranam]

3 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Did you just reply to your own comment?  And are you saying that foreigners don't have Thai male friends because they like dark skinned girls... so kind of not very nice people?

Yes, is it not allowed?

 

Thai people have a very strict hierarchical social ladder. I'm sure you know that already. Thai men don't know how to react to a foreigner with an obviously wife from the bottom rung, which is easy for them to see. It is not really to do with the skin colour, but this can be a dead give away.

[473geo]

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I've lived in Issan for many years and know MANY kind, thoughtful people and have many good friends. There is nothing wrong with dark skin, I like it myself.  A Buriram Noi is a decription of a farming girl who goes to Pattaya to escape poverty by finding an old farang guy. 

Nothing wrong with old guys coming here for a good time but it's extremely hard for them to assimilate or integrate into Thai society. Granted, most don't want to or can't learn the language, which is needed to do such a thing. What I dislike is when these type of foreigners start criticizing the culture that they have no intention of joining. 

 

Ok accepted, unfortunately your post lacked a little clarity to convey the same message, or maybe my interpretation ????

[Neeranam]

11 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

A lot of anger coming from the two people involved in that conversation.  And they call others "bitter".

 

Who worries about what rich Thai people who don't like people brown skin think about anything?

 

And boasting about speaking Thai or how long they've been here... yawn!

I sense no anger. I am certainly not angry. 

 

Ironically, I think you sound angry ???? 

 

No one is boasting about anything. 

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

It's amazing the older guys who belive the <deleted> told to them, like farang are better in bed, have bigger member, Thai men cheat, etc. In reality, they are just after money and rich Thai men would NEVER dream of marrying a dark-skinned Buriram Noi..

These girls only hope is a naive, older farang, who thinks dark skin is exotic.  

I don't believe anything a woman says, beyond "your dinner is ready".

I don't really know/care about what Thai men want, unless they're dressed as a Thai women, In which case I have a good idea.

[BangkokReady]

20 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I sense no anger. I am certainly not angry. 

 

Ironically, I think you sound angry ???? 

 

No one is boasting about anything. 

I'm afraid that's how you come across.  E.g. your gym example is simply someone apparently mislabeling themselves as an "old-timer" and you reveling in speaking fluent Thai while he could not.  He didn't say anything bad about Thailand, nor about you, but you still feel the need to point out something negative about him.  That isn't a positive thing, is it?  If you told him you were going to recount the interaction when describing annoying interactions with other foreigners, he would probably be offended.

Edited December 30, 2021 by BangkokReady

[stigar]

Ut friend is the most unmoral.What a jerk!!!!That he brag about this is even worse.He should be careful because it migth happen one day that he will get in big trouble.

[JimmyJ]

Hardly new.

 

There were articles in the 1960's about French housewives living in new apartments  in Parisian suburbs moonlighting as prostitutes - Godard made a film in 1967 about this:

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0060304/?ref_=fn_al_tt_0

 

2 or 3 Things I Know About Her

Original title: 2 ou 3 choses que je sais d'elle

• 1967
• Not Rated
• 1h 27m

 

2 or 3 Things I Know About Her

Original title: 2 

Edited December 30, 2021 by JimmyJ

[The Hammer2021]

4 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

The people your friend is meeting might have another job but they are still prostitutes. 

No Shame in that! Everyone  who works sells themselves  or their bodies.

 

3 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

Broken women.  Very sad.  The trouble is, nobody warns them.  Even in our supposedly advanced societies we still have insane cat moms telling young women they need to sleep around to be "strong independent women".

To justify patriarchal dominance men create a morality that requires  a victim to justify  the morality.

[Neeranam]

2 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

I'm afraid that's how you come across.  E.g. your gym example is simply someone apparently mislabeling themselves as an "old-timer" and you reveling in speaking fluent Thai while he could not.  He didn't say anything bad about Thailand, nor about you, but you still feel the need to point out something negative about him.  That isn't a positive thing, is it?

Maybe a bit of self righteousness, something I'm working on ????

 

I was just sharing a funny story. 

 

The guy came across as a total idiot. If someone asked me where I come from, I say Scotland, not that I am actually Thai, I certainly would not say Khon Kaen . 

[The Hammer2021]

I have never in 30 years here and thousands of interactions heard of or seen men pimping or supplying women here.

[ramrod711]

4 hours ago, JustAnotherHun said:

Easy.

Elderly and overweight western men with often bad manners are a sex symbol in Thailand. 

I wonder if there is, or ever was any truth to the story of some Thai women wanting a light skinned child from one of these short lived rendezvous. It was a popular story when I first arrived in Thailand.

[The Hammer2021]

Why is the OP even thinking of other people's moral values. Perhaps  he should  question  his own values  or his friend's values. Girls just wanna have fun!

[Ralf001]

The married ones are better but don't be duped into paying fuel for the husbands scoot when he delivers them.

[DaLa]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Went to a wife swapping party once, asked how it worked ......

"You put your car keys in the bowl, then everyone takes out keys without looking, and you drive their wife and car home". I said, "I ain't letting anyone here drive my car!" and we left.

Wife and I were invited to one and I had no idea how it worked. It was a really bad mistake going by bus.

[Broken Record]

Oh and by the way, It's not just Thai guys dropping their girlfriends off to a Bar or GoGo, many Farangs had girlfriends earning the money too.

 

Again, it's a generational thing, her Farang boyfriend wouldn't  have been 70 Years old, but hopefully for her , her customers would have been, I had a friend a German guy, 26-27 good looking guy, blond slim, blue eyed, girls loved him. His Gf worked in Sabailand in Pattaya and used to give him money everyday to go out for a drink, he was broke but she loved Rudi, she went with the other guys for only one reason, it was a job, she said it meant nothing to her her heart belonged to Rudi

 

I had a Friend who came to Pattaya to find an Old White Guy to help her pay for University, OWG's she would call them, funny, they meant nothing, and she carried on with her life and is now a Government Teacher far away from her previous life that is now deleted from her memory.

 

 

[Broken Record]

39 minutes ago, ramrod711 said:

I wonder if there is, or ever was any truth to the story of some Thai women wanting a light skinned child from one of these short lived rendezvous. It was a popular story when I first arrived in Thailand.

It's a fact. 

[The Hammer2021]

40 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

The married ones are better but don't be duped into paying fuel for the husbands scoot when he delivers them.

A post with no basis in reality

[Mac Mickmanus]

48 minutes ago, ramrod711 said:

I wonder if there is, or ever was any truth to the story of some Thai women wanting a light skinned child from one of these short lived rendezvous. It was a popular story when I first arrived in Thailand.

Why would a woman want to have a baby with a guy who isnt going to provide for the baby ?

   Its just some guys fantasy that many girls are desperate from them to impregnate them 

[Ralf001]

8 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

A post with no basis in reality

they certainly ask for "taxi" money.

[WEBBYB808]

5 hours ago, vinci said:

the friend thingy are just having daytime job and prostitutes by night.

they are just pimp, in some case the marriage thing are just fake to benefit from each other, another are the guy married to a prostitutes and she's just continuing her job, yes there Thai men and woman do married each for love and knowing the reality of their lives, but one must work for a living, its suck to be poor

Its just a different  culture and way of thinking.   I think it must have been this way  hundreds of years ago in England, and other countries where the poor suffered through history. 

[Walker88]

Having lived in a number of countries over the years, one thing I have come to believe is that experience does not always equate to expertise. Someone claiming 'more time here than you' only says that person wants to believe he knows more than others, but may, in fact, have the analytical ability of a flatworm. There's also a bit of "I was here first and I need to feel special and unique". Thus, we see many 'voiding' contests taking place.

 

Without naming names, I'm reading 'experts' who both go after 'newcomers' who have generalized opinions about Thailand that offend them, to the same people making statements that also generalize Thai society-----and not in ways that would seem moral or kind or understanding to someone from a different culture. So 'good people' would NEVER link up with someone (who might be the salt of the Earth) just because her skin is a bit darker?  Wow, so morally superior! I'd be honored to associate, after my 30+ years here, with such fine human beings!

 

Yes, we see whom the Hi-Sos look down upon, as if the Hi-Sos possess some sort of superior morality and can diss a poor Isaan farmgirl, who ends up trying to survive by using the assets a random Universe handed her, while the Hi-So gains by paying tributes to politicians or police or whomever can control the national purse strings. Spreading brown envelopes in the halls of power is moral; spreading one's assets for food money is morally reprehensible? Odd calculus there.

 

I'll be corrected if I'm wrong---or even if I'm not wrong---but there does seem to be a marked change in how younger generations view things vs their parents and grandparents. The young seem to be more open to different views and less stuck in 'tradition'. There seems to be a lot less respect of age and authority merely because it's age and authority. The young, increasingly, have no 'gods', not even the most revered. The young also seem to have different views on what is moral and what is not. I have a number of young staff in my company. They are pretty much middle class Thais, whatever that means. University educated---again, whatever that means. I have been told that many of their friends, from similar socio-economic backgrounds, earn a little extra money doing 'favors' for Hi-So businessmen and politicians. That sort of behavior is not frowned upon by the peer group. On the other hand, to a person these young Thais hate the corruption that is endemic at the highest levels of Thai society.

 

As has been relayed to me---perhaps not a universal position, but the one I hear most often---is that what one does with one's body is up to the person and carries no negative connotation, but those who engaged in corruption to gain fortunes are morally bankrupt. A young woman waiting in line to get into the Chanel store, who earned her money by using her physical assets, is viewed as superior to the young woman in line in front of her who has daddy's Black Amex Card, since daddy is in bed with politicians or generals, or is one himself.

 

We all choose how we want to live. Society influences our views to be sure, but society and culture are dynamic, not static. Things change. Views change. Sometimes change comes in waves...static for a period, and then society gets swamped. It does seem that today a tsunami is hitting Thai society, and it is being reflected in the youth movement. Yesterday's Thailand is being replaced.

 

Now to jump across cultures---what of the expat who arrives and becomes smitten with that brown skin the Hi-Sos diss? Is he immoral if he gives in to temptation (It was Oscar Wilde who said, "The only thing I can't resist is temptation")? Whose morality? Who is being hurt? Is there some eternal damnation associated with consensual acts, or is eternity felt exactly the same way as pre-eternity, in other words, once nothing, again nothing? Heck, it isn't as if anybody's deity is moral, so it does seem those who need deities cut their lords an awful lot of slack. Why do sanctimonious theists hold mere humans to a higher standard than gods?

 

To quote another Brit whose morality was occasionally called into question, Somerset Maugham once said that he'd met many men who lived the straight and narrow their whole life, but who had regrets at the end that they never sowed any wild oats, but he had never met a man who gave into his passions who had any regrets at the end.

 

[The Hammer2021]

18 minutes ago, Ralf001 said:

they certainly ask for "taxi" money.

Not with me because I offer it first. But it's not relevant  to the fiction based comment about husbands and scooter money.

[ivor bigun]

To be honest i have not even bothered reading most of this ,the sort of Thai people i have known for 25 yrs would not even contemplate sending their wife out to hustle , the vast majority of Thais i have met have been decent ,all the ones living around us are also well off.