Things must be worse than we think...

[Guderian]

BHP is closing its night OPD clinic due to the "severe Covid outbreak". Are matters already spiraling out of control, or are they just anticipating the worst?

 

Edited January 5, 2022 by Guderian

[MrJ2U]

Insightful post.

 

Perhaps a harbinger of things to come.

[Chivas]

Its completely out of control in the UK and Hong Kong and I suspect Thailand know full well the shight is about to hit the fan in very short order... I suspect the Hospital is aiming for a fine balance of critical care as opposed to simply no care

[Dmaxdan]

The situation is what it is. There is no point in worrying about something we have zero control over. 

All anyone can do is get vaccinated, get your booster jabs when available, follow all the precautions that are put in place and keep your guard up.

 

[poohy]

6 minutes ago, Chivas said:

Its completely out of control in the UK and Hong Kong and I suspect Thailand know full well the shight is about to hit the fan in very short order... I suspect the Hospital is aiming for a fine balance of critical care as opposed to simply no care

People in UK are getting sick but  MOSTLY it is heavy  cold symptom's

Several friends there had it over Christmas lasted 3/5 days  

Edited January 5, 2022 by poohy

[robblok]

@TheScience

 

But the precautions you are talking about might not work at all. My brother, his wife, their daughter and both my parents caught ominicron.

Dad vaccinated and had a booster, few bad days and loss of stamina.

Mom week of bad coughing (but is a heavy smoker) also vaccinated and had a booster

Brother diabetic, crons disease and a few others... nothing

His wife healthy, sporty never sick 2 weeks of sickness and now long covid with almost total loss of stamina and having problems focussing. 

 

The one we expected to sail through it had it worst.

 

Its just all a big gamble and omricon can be bad too, if enough people get it hospitals will overflow. It might be less serious but even if its 4 times less serious and spreads easier 5 times its still bad news. 

 

So please don't act like its nothing. 

 

I certainly don't want to get it and I eat healthy, do my cardio lift my weights, never drink alcohol (dont like the taste). But i still don't want to lose the built up stamina and the loss of being able to focuss on things is not fun neither was her 2 weeks of breathing problems total misery and being bedridden.

 

After having seen what happened to a health young person 42 im not so sure about the mildness of omnicron. Sure on average it is probably less bad but you dont want to be the one that has the bad symptoms.

[TheScience]

On 1/5/2022 at 10:21 PM, robblok said:

@TheScience

 

But the precautions you are talking about might not work at all. My brother, his wife, their daughter and both my parents caught ominicron.

Dad vaccinated and had a booster, few bad days and loss of stamina.

Mom week of bad coughing (but is a heavy smoker) also vaccinated and had a booster

Brother diabetic, crons disease and a few others... nothing

His wife healthy, sporty never sick 2 weeks of sickness and now long covid with almost total loss of stamina and having problems focussing. 

 

The one we expected to sail through it had it worst.

 

Its just all a big gamble and omricon can be bad too, if enough people get it hospitals will overflow. It might be less serious but even if its 4 times less serious and spreads easier 5 times its still bad news. 

 

So please don't act like its nothing. 

 

I certainly don't want to get it and I eat healthy, do my cardio lift my weights, never drink alcohol (dont like the taste). But i still don't want to lose the built up stamina and the loss of being able to focuss on things is not fun neither was her 2 weeks of breathing problems total misery and being bedridden.

 

After having seen what happened to a health young person 42 im not so sure about the mildness of omnicron. Sure on average it is probably less bad but you dont want to be the one that has the bad symptoms.

Absolutely agree. It's a nasty illness that I don't wish on anyone.

 

Many take vaccines to reduce risk.

 

How about better health practices and therapeutics?

 

Life is a gamble

 

People die

 

It's hilarious really. 30 years ago every expat was totally devil may care. Now, just a bunch of crybabies.

 

Go get your vaccineS sleep better whatever. I'm not telling you not to do that.

[robblok]

On 1/5/2022 at 10:29 PM, TheScience said:

Absolutely agree. It's a nasty illness that I don't wish on anyone.

 

Many take vaccines to reduce risk.

 

How about better health practices and therapeutics?

 

Life is a gamble

 

People die

 

It's hilarious really. 30 years ago every expat was totally devil may care. Now, just a bunch of crybabies.

 

Go get your vaccineS sleep better whatever. I'm not telling you not to do that.

Just telling you its not as harmless as you think it is and it can be really bad once hospitals get overrun. 

 

Your acting like its nothing, im just telling you that that is not always the case and i seen it up close. Been in contact with my family when they got it on a daily base.

 

Also you stated that your healthy living would protect you and i showed you it does not.

 

For the record im all with you about exercise and healthy living. I try to eat healthy and am succeeding. 

 

Have always worked out, now added a lot cardio to it. 

 

Not for covid just for myself. Im not scared but neither do i kid myself that we should all just ignore the rules and warnings in place to make sure the hospitals don't get overrun.

[DavisH]

9 minutes ago, robblok said:

How about doing both. But its still a gamble. And once hospital overflow we are F..cked

One problem could be a shortage of medical staff as well (through infection), and not just too many patients overflowing hospitals. This is bad news for any patient needing urgent medical care/operations, etc. This is already happening in a number of countries. 

[robblok]

6 minutes ago, Chivas said:

The problem is the vast majority simply cannot grasp your last sentence. We are already seeing exactly that in the UK on top of 999 calls going unanswered

 

Yet we have absolute cretins on this thread claiming its "only a cold"

 

 

Some idiots just don't get it, this version is indeed not as bad as delta but it makes up for it by being far more easy to transfer and thus leading to full hospitals. 

 

So yes its not as harmfull on a case to case basis but if you look at the big picture it is as dangerous if not more dangerous for the health sector that can't cope.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, DavisH said:

One problem could be a shortage of medical staff as well (through infection), and not just too many patients overflowing hospitals. This is bad news for any patient needing urgent medical care/operations, etc. This is already happening in a number of countries. 

Indeed many operations are being pushed back (heart operations and many others) because there is on room on the ICU. 

 

You can easily put some ICU beds there, problem is to man them and we see this in many countries and yes we still have idiots that don't see the problem.

[robblok]

On 1/5/2022 at 10:40 PM, TheScience said:

 

Had you followed the news in the UK, Netherlands and many other countries its what is happening. 

 

Its been in the news quite a few times if you missed it you either don't read the news or just ignore it as it does not fit your world view.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cpg449kdv05o

[ericthai]

23 minutes ago, robblok said:

@TheScience

 

But the precautions you are talking about might not work at all. My brother, his wife, their daughter and both my parents caught ominicron.

Dad vaccinated and had a booster, few bad days and loss of stamina.

Mom week of bad coughing (but is a heavy smoker) also vaccinated and had a booster

Brother diabetic, crons disease and a few others... nothing

His wife healthy, sporty never sick 2 weeks of sickness and now long covid with almost total loss of stamina and having problems focussing. 

 

The one we expected to sail through it had it worst.

 

Its just all a big gamble and omricon can be bad too, if enough people get it hospitals will overflow. It might be less serious but even if its 4 times less serious and spreads easier 5 times its still bad news. 

 

So please don't act like its nothing. 

 

I certainly don't want to get it and I eat healthy, do my cardio lift my weights, never drink alcohol (dont like the taste). But i still don't want to lose the built up stamina and the loss of being able to focuss on things is not fun neither was her 2 weeks of breathing problems total misery and being bedridden.

 

After having seen what happened to a health young person 42 im not so sure about the mildness of omnicron. Sure on average it is probably less bad but you dont want to be the one that has the bad symptoms.

 I agree with you, it can be very bad! My wife and I are both vaccinated (pfizer) and she has been really sick for the past week. She was tested and has COVID as do I. she is really bad, constant cough, bad headache, soar throat, very tired etc. As for me I have mild body aches and a mild headache but ok.  

[TheScience]

38 minutes ago, robblok said:

So please don't act like its nothing. 

I'm not and never did.

 

I'd never stated it was just a cold. Delta in the lungs and what the disease does to the lungs and vascular system is nasty.

 

I just am entirely against mRNA vaccines, the theater and the politics of it all.

 

I'm not telling anyone to do anything merely stating I will not take that vaccine nor would I push it on anyone especially a young person and doubly a child

[Bkk Brian]

25 minutes ago, robblok said:

So your ok with taking a non mRNA vaccine then your not as bad as i thought. I don't worry about mRNA but that is your choice

 

I wouldn't give him too much credit with that, in another thread he said he only took two AZ because he was forced to for work. 

[ozimoron]

On 1/5/2022 at 10:46 PM, robblok said:

 

Many of them are just hypocrites. They are not anti vax because of science and when push comes to shove they get vaccinated. Thereafter they are just motivated by a political agenda. They don't care who dies so long as it isn't themselves. The objective is to make sure pro vax liberal governments don't succeed. Nothing else.

[soi3eddie]

1 hour ago, poohy said:

People in UK are getting sick but  MOSTLY it is heavy  cold symptom's

Several friends there had it over Christmas lasted 3/5 days  

My 18yr old son and 35yr old employee both just had covid. Son had a mild cold and employee mild flu. Neither hospitalised. Both back at college and work within 7 days. The "new normal"?

 

 

 

[Virt]

43 minutes ago, TheScience said:

 

 

I just am entirely against mRNA vaccines, the theater and the politics of it all.

 

 

How can you not like a vaccine that has saved a lot of lives globally? A LOT.

I can understand you are tired of the theater and politics, but not the vaccines.

 

It's not like it a brand new technology invented just before this pandemic.

The reason they could make the vaccines so fast, were because of that research and development going on for years and years. Give them some credit for spending billions and billions prior to the pandemic.'

Sure they make money now, but they also took a huge risk before that.

 

You might want to read up on the mRNA tech and you might as well get used to it.

It's here to stay and within 10 years we will see the same tech used for treatment for a lot of other diseases, like cancer as example.

You can come back and factcheck in 10 years from now ???? 

 

No reason to fear new technology and progress. 

[Cherrytreeview]

On 1/5/2022 at 10:32 PM, TheScience said:

 

 

Here's a study...

 

It states that the mortality rate of unvaccinated people is 24 times higher than those who have been vaccinated.

 

[Oblomov]

3 hours ago, poohy said:

People in UK are getting sick but  MOSTLY it is heavy  cold symptom's

Several friends there had it over Christmas lasted 3/5 days  

Some getting heavy cold symptoms. Many of my family and friends had no easily discernible  symptoms. Many even had it and didn't even know they'd had it until a mandated workplace test. 

 

The data on post infection natural anti-bodies (if it follows previous strain patterns) will be important as the huge infection rate could initiate an equally important herd immunity, finally! 

[cdemundo]

"US and UK fully jabbed up."

 

For 1/2/booster shots

 

UK               78/71/51%

US               73/62/21%

Thailand     73/65/8.9%

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html?name=styln-coronavirus&region=TOP_BANNER&block=storyline_menu_recirc&action=click&pgtype=Interactive&variant=1_Show&is_new=false

 

Not sure what is thought to be fully jabbed up, but 22% to 27% is millions of unvaccinated people for the virus to multiply and mutate.

 

[Scott]

Numerous false, misleading and troll posts and replies reported and removed.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, Dmaxdan said:

The situation is what it is. There is no point in worrying about something we have zero control over. 

All anyone can do is get vaccinated, get your booster jabs when available, follow all the precautions that are put in place and keep your guard up.

For everyone's sanity, this relentless scaremongering has to stop now!

 

OR, we can just say to <deleted> with it and live our lives till we can't.

[scubascuba3]

The problem now appears to be not the symptoms of Omicron but the impact from those off work with it or suspected of having it

[jacko45k]

8 hours ago, MrJ2U said:

Insightful post.

 

Perhaps a harbinger of things to come.

They did this before.... and if anything I suspect there are a lot more now.

[daveAustin]

On 1/5/2022 at 9:54 PM, Chivas said:

Its completely out of control in the UK and Hong Kong and I suspect Thailand know full well the shight is about to hit the fan in very short order... I suspect the Hospital is aiming for a fine balance of critical care as opposed to simply no care

It’s as out of control in the UK as the thousands and thousands of colds. Hospitals are fine—I was in one last week and pretty quiet. The only thing that is overwhelming is the media and peoples’ hysteria. 

 

[Bohemianfish]

Seems like fewer serious illnesses, but this new variant is hitting hard and fast, so probably going to spike very quickly then fall. We can hope. And hope we are coming up on the end of the bad variants in the future.

[jacko45k]

16 hours ago, daveAustin said:

It’s as out of control in the UK as the thousands and thousands of colds. Hospitals are fine—I was in one last week and pretty quiet. The only thing that is overwhelming is the media and peoples’ hysteria. 

 

Just moments ago I watched a report on UK hospitals on the dire understaffing situation they find themselves in, one even came from my home town. So either media hype or you are wrong. 

[robblok]

22 hours ago, cdemundo said:

"US and UK fully jabbed up."

For 1/2/booster shots

UK               78/71/51%

US               73/62/21%

Thailand     73/65/8.9%

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/world/covid-vaccinations-tracker.html?name=styln-coronavirus&region=TOP_BANNER&block=storyline_menu_recirc&action=click&pgtype=Interactive&variant=1_Show&is_new=false

Not sure what is thought to be fully jabbed up, but 22% to 27% is millions of unvaccinated people for the virus to multiply and mutate.

 

The guys is living in another world, he has not noticed operations for stuff like heart problems being stopped in countries because of covid. Thinks the UK and US are jabbed up in my country we are also not fully jabbed up too many idiots there who unlike him do not take the vaccine and stand with their conviction. Instead of taking a jab and later sprouting antivax nonsense.

 

It just means that the jab is not bad otherwise he would never have taken it. So its more a case of trolling the forum after having taken a jab. If he had serious convictions he would not have been jabbed. 

[robblok]

9 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Just moments ago I watched a report on UK hospitals on the dire understaffing situation they find themselves in, one even came from my home town. So either media hype or you are wrong. 

I can do you one better, i got family working in hospitals and they are overworked and understaffed. The postponing of operations is normal now. There just is no room on ICU as it all goes to coivid. So no transplants, no heart operations. At least at a really really lowered rate and the backlog has been growing for months now. People have no clue if they think its not bad.

 

A mild omnicron that spreads like crazy still has more people going to the hospital then a Delta that is far worse but spreads slower. If it were not for the vaccinated there would be so much more trouble.