Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, stevenl said:

"No country that has been so punished in a war would accept less than total surrender of the enemy"

Exactly, Ukraine has no choice but to keep on fighting the invader.

Zelensky and his cabal has no choice but to keep fighting.

 

Fixed it for you.

 

No country can afford to send too many to die, regardless of the short term consequences, else the country, even if they win, will die for lack of men after.

In a one sided war, where Russia has men and materiel, and Ukraine is entirely dependent on countries that are running out of money and weapons/ munitions to send, the end is inevitable, IMO.

 

While the west is using Ukraine as a proxy to bleed Russia ( fighting to the last Ukrainian ), some may overlook that certain Asian countries will be as eager to use Russia as proxy to punish the west.

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Zelensky and his cabal has no choice but to keep fighting.

 

Fixed it for you.

 

No country can afford to send too many to die, regardless of the short term consequences, else the country, even if they win, will die for lack of men after.

In a one sided war, where Russia has men and materiel, and Ukraine is entirely dependent on countries that are running out of money and weapons/ munitions to send, the end is inevitable, IMO.

 

While the west is using Ukraine as a proxy to bleed Russia ( fighting to the last Ukrainian ), some may overlook that certain Asian countries will be as eager to use Russia as proxy to punish the west.

Cabal?

Really?

We can always count on you and other western  pro maga types to repeat Kremlin talking points. 

[jvs]

Yes things do not really look good now at the front so the Ukrainians should roll over and give putin what he wants before putin gets annoyed?

What a laugh.

Granted the USA is not doing as they promised,all do to mike and the maga crowd and of course trump.

Is there any good news?

Of course there is,F-16s are coming soon.

Bad at the front line?Lets go get them inside russia and let the drones fly!

 

[Hummin]

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Cabal?

Really?

We can always count on you and other western  pro maga types to repeat Kremlin talking points. 

Doesnt need to be pro maga to forseen or see the reality of how it is in reality. Knowing Putin and how the west have been pushing east, this was eventually to happen. There is no black and white  in this scenario, just calculated predicted outcome. 

Edited March 21 by Hummin

[Hummin]

On 3/7/2022 at 9:00 AM, Hummin said:

What that those number means, is that the sanctions is not that effective as we would like to think. I'm getting a bit annoyed how little realistic many are when it comes to the fact Putin can continue this war for years. I only need to remind everyone one of Syria, and Bashar Al-Assad that have kept going strong now for how many years? 

 

So far no one have decided to ban oil and gas from Russia, and Saudi have not stepped up production of oil on order from USA. Why so? Saudi have been an Allie of USA, and pretty much all their wealth is because of USA! But they choose to stand with Russia now!

 

Crazy world after all, and as I said 3 days ago, we still haven't seen how bad it will be yet, the worst is to come, and at same time the Siberian cold coming! 

 

Europe's biggest human tragedy since WW2.

 

It is a world where world leaders calculating economic losses against innocent human beings!

 

Again, not advokating for Putin or his crimes! 

 

 

Stated Soon two years ago

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Stated Soon two years ago

Did you know 2 years ago that Putin would be down to recruiting soldiers from Ghana to carry on his illegal invasion?

 

 

[Hummin]

On 3/7/2022 at 10:18 AM, tgw said:

We can only hope other Russian leaders decide to get rid of Putin and stop this mess.

Does this seem to be realistic today? 

 

Look at which countries congratulated Putin with the election, and a poll in Norway showing russians residing in Norway, the majority voted for Putin.

 

What we hope for is not always realistic unfortunate. 

[Hummin]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Did you know 2 years ago that Putin would be down to recruiting soldiers from Ghana to carry on his illegal invasion?

 

 

Nothing seems to surprise me anymore, without fact checking the actual reporting if its true or just another media hype. 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Nothing seems to surprise me anymore, without fact checking the actual reporting if its true or just another media hype. 

Got it, if it doesn't sit right with your narrative question the report, even with the fact that Russia has already had to recruit from Syria and other countries

[jollyhangmon]

... sure buddinskovich, just go check them facts ...

 

 

 

... some apparently duped into it but plenty going deliberately ... & then quickly croak - good riddance fumb ducks!

 

 

 

[Hummin]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Got it, if it doesn't sit right with your narrative question the report, even with the fact that Russia has already had to recruit from Syria and other countries

Every war have merchandise soldiers, so what is the news really? 

 

The main issue, is what this war really is about, and as long no one wants to admit the war is a result of world politics, and not just a backyard conflict in Europe between Russia and Ukraine. 

 

If we really ment business, tanks, warplanes and controll of airspace would had in place from day one.

 

In reality this is a Russia war against Nato! 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Every war have merchandise soldiers, so what is the news really? 

 

The main issue, is what this war really is about, and as long no one wants to admit the war is a result of world politics, and not just a backyard conflict in Europe between Russia and Ukraine. 

 

If we really ment business, tanks, warplanes and controll of airspace would had in place from day one.

 

In reality this is a Russia war against Nato! 

 

Oh right, you believe it now  It was in response to your 2 year old post that you decided to bring up for some strange reason.

[stevenl]

34 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Doesnt need to be pro maga to forseen or see the reality of how it is in reality. Knowing Putin and how the west have been pushing east, this was eventually to happen. There is no black and white  in this scenario, just calculated predicted outcome. 

"There is no black and white  in this scenario"
Sure there is. Russia invaded Ukraine.

[Hummin]

Just now, stevenl said:

"There is no black and white  in this scenario"
Sure there is. Russia invaded Ukraine.

Well, undermining the factors you are not willing to see.

 

Well keyboard warriors still have a job to do, so continue doing what you guys are best at.

 

 

 

 

[frank83628]

33 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Got it, if it doesn't sit right with your narrative question the report, even with the fact that Russia has already had to recruit from Syria and other countries

no, just believe everything you read with out hesitation.! why would you not seek to double check the information you are given?
how many times have the western media been proved wrong or to be lying during this war?

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

no, just believe everything you read with out hesitation.! why would you not seek to double check the information you are given?
how many times have the western media been proved wrong or to be lying during this war?

He believes it now its ok, you don't need to come to his defense frank or debate about the lies told by Russian media 

[jvs]

49 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Every war have merchandise soldiers, so what is the news really? 

 

The main issue, is what this war really is about, and as long no one wants to admit the war is a result of world politics, and not just a backyard conflict in Europe between Russia and Ukraine. 

 

If we really ment business, tanks, warplanes and controll of airspace would had in place from day one.

 

In reality this is a Russia war against Nato! 

 

 

 

 

 

The main issue is ,this war is certainly a conflict between the russians and NATO.

and is a result of world politics of course.

However NATO as such can not get involved directly because of their ROE.

It is the cold war all over again on steroids.

Can a country,like France for instance send soldiers to help the Ukraine ?

We will see.

Unfortunately imo this can not be won without help from the USA and i think it is shameful they do not step up.

Not because they did not promise to help but because of this being an election year.

Trump will not be voted in (again) and after the elections there will be a lot of anger and resentment to deal with on both sides.

 

 

[Jingthing]

12 minutes ago, jvs said:

The main issue is ,this war is certainly a conflict between the russians and NATO.

and is a result of world politics of course.

However NATO as such can not get involved directly because of their ROE.

It is the cold war all over again on steroids.

Can a country,like France for instance send soldiers to help the Ukraine ?

We will see.

Unfortunately imo this can not be won without help from the USA and i think it is shameful they do not step up.

Not because they did not promise to help but because of this being an election year.

Trump will not be voted in (again) and after the elections there will be a lot of anger and resentment to deal with on both sides.

 

 

I see it differently.

It's a war of choice by a Russian dictator.

NATO is just a covering talking point for him. 

He has an ideology calling for the expansion of the current Russian empire.

He doesn't consider Ukraine a legitimate distinct language, culture. people, or nation from "Mother" f-er Russia. 

So in effect his intention is genocide of Ukraine. Become Russified or become dead.

Ukraine is not his only expansionist target, far from it. but if Russia wins against Ukraine it's a message to the entire illiberal world. 

 

[Wobblybob]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

Well, undermining the factors you are not willing to see.

 

Well keyboard warriors still have a job to do, so continue doing what you guys are best at.

 

 

 

 

Meaningless waffle!

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

I see it differently.

It's a war of choice by a Russian dictator.

NATO is just a covering talking point for him. 

He has an ideology calling for the expansion of the current Russian empire.

He doesn't consider Ukraine a legitimate distinct language, culture. people, or nation from "Mother" f-er Russia. 

So in effect his intention is genocide of Ukraine. Become Russified or become dead.

Ukraine is not his only expansionist target, far from it. but if Russia wins against Ukraine it's a message to the entire illiberal world. 

 

Then you become what is called useful .... Putin can do this, and win territory because of the previous history, and build stronger relations because of it, with other dictators and developing former countries abused and used by the west. Many contries is tired of the double morality and also se the downfall of what is seen as good and sustainable family politics. What we see as ideal freedom, they oppose as a real future threat. 

 

It is a constant ignorant view our self, that helps Putin. And for an Empire allied west we experience now a slow suicide. Even we think, we became stronger with new members of Nato. 

 

India and China + former colonist countries represent a larger united force, and a huge threat to the west. Speaking about natural resources as well? 

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Meaningless waffle!

Blind leading the blind comes to mind

[frank83628]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I see it differently.

It's a war of choice by a Russian dictator.

NATO is just a covering talking point for him. 

He has an ideology calling for the expansion of the current Russian empire.

He doesn't consider Ukraine a legitimate distinct language, culture. people, or nation from "Mother" f-er Russia. 

So in effect his intention is genocide of Ukraine. Become Russified or become dead.

Ukraine is not his only expansionist target, far from it. but if Russia wins against Ukraine it's a message to the entire illiberal world. 

 

you see it through delusional eyes, similar to how you see the orange man!
war brought on by the events in 2014 and since, agreements broken  and nato expansion,(which lets face it, is the US) 
he doesn't have any to expand the Russian empire
peace talks were on the table back in April 22, UK stopped it, deaths from then on are on the UK and allies!


 

[jvs]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I see it differently.

It's a war of choice by a Russian dictator.

NATO is just a covering talking point for him. 

He has an ideology calling for the expansion of the current Russian empire.

He doesn't consider Ukraine a legitimate distinct language, culture. people, or nation from "Mother" f-er Russia. 

So in effect his intention is genocide of Ukraine. Become Russified or become dead.

Ukraine is not his only expansionist target, far from it. but if Russia wins against Ukraine it's a message to the entire illiberal world. 

 

Ok, i see you point of view and i can understand it.

I still see it as a continuing struggle between East and West.

putin can want to reinstate the old USSR but that will not happen.

If he would make the mistake of attacking a NATO country russia would be done .

3 days special millitairy operation?

putin is in over his head but he can not back down,he would be dead.

Gas prices up in russia and exports are down,that has got to hurt!

Countries now talking about giving confiscated russian money to the Ukraine,very good but why not sooner?

Let the USA send more (old and outdated)weapons and ammo,it will not cost any money right?

More and more people in the US are starting to see the danger that is called trump.

Maybe just in time they will realize there will be life after trump is gone.

Yes it is still a war of choice started by putin but there is so much more involved.

Do you think putin would have attacked the Ukraine if he would have known the outcome?

"Do not wake the russian bear"was a very much used expression.

It will be a very long time before this bear will have teeth and claws again.

[ExpatOilWorker]

2 hours ago, jvs said:

Yes things do not really look good now at the front so the Ukrainians should roll over and give putin what he wants before putin gets annoyed?

What a laugh.

Granted the USA is not doing as they promised,all do to mike and the maga crowd and of course trump.

Is there any good news?

Of course there is,F-16s are coming soon.

Bad at the front line?Lets go get them inside russia and let the drones fly!

 

Things are not great in Ukraine, but it is also not all happy days in Kremlin. 

Russia 🇷🇺 is under attack and several refineries are damaged.

Imagine the US was at war with Mexico, Laredo is being bombed 💣,  White sands missile range is full of craters, Texas City Refinery is ablaze 🔥 and Washington DC is located in Dallas, 400 miles from the border. That is the situation in Moscow today. 

[Jingthing]

43 minutes ago, jvs said:

Ok, i see you point of view and i can understand it.

I still see it as a continuing struggle between East and West.

putin can want to reinstate the old USSR but that will not happen.

If he would make the mistake of attacking a NATO country russia would be done .

3 days special millitairy operation?

putin is in over his head but he can not back down,he would be dead.

Gas prices up in russia and exports are down,that has got to hurt!

Countries now talking about giving confiscated russian money to the Ukraine,very good but why not sooner?

Let the USA send more (old and outdated)weapons and ammo,it will not cost any money right?

More and more people in the US are starting to see the danger that is called trump.

Maybe just in time they will realize there will be life after trump is gone.

Yes it is still a war of choice started by putin but there is so much more involved.

Do you think putin would have attacked the Ukraine if he would have known the outcome?

"Do not wake the russian bear"was a very much used expression.

It will be a very long time before this bear will have teeth and claws again.

I think if Putin thinks he can get away with it, he'll go for any target including NATO countries (the Baltics are particularly vulnerable). The west caving in Ukraine aided by the Maga fascists would give him confidence. There are also non NATo countries in the east that interest him. Obviously of course Putin thought conquering Ukraine would be much easier and quicker but it hasn't been  and yet it's clear that he will never stop as long as he lives! There is no such thing as fair negotiation with Putin. 

As far as long term damage to Russia, yes some of that has already happened, and continued damage to Russia which is unfortunately slow is the best chance for Ukraine to prevail.

It's amazing what Ukraine has done with blowing up Russian oil refineries and sinking black sea ships.

All the maga fascists look at is the Ukraine map and lack of progress taking back stolen lands. But much more is going on. 

Taking out the Kherson Bridge is probably hopefully inevitable and that would be a huge turning point.

Ukraine has proven that Putin's red lines where he is going to use nukes are all bluff.

Yes all this may take years or many years but so do many historical wars (should the allies in WW2 caved to the Nazis after two years?), and it's clear to me that the only way Ukraine loses is for the west to lose its resolve.

An irony is that with a weakened Russia, China will be tempted to pounce on to Siberia using the same kind of historical narratives Putin uses against Ukraine.

 

Also about Ukraine. Yes Ukraine is special to Putin. He really believes his perverted narrative of history that Ukraine doesn't exist separate from Russia. Negotiations at best will create a pause for a later push. 

Edited March 21 by Jingthing

[Wobblybob]

55 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Blind leading the blind comes to mind

Hummin and ahhing comes to my mind. 🥴

[Hummin]

47 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Hummin and ahhing comes to my mind. 🥴

You guys need to pet each others back to feel right about simplified complicated world politics? Sad

[Mavideol]

Ten years since its illegal annexation, Crimea is a template for newly occupied parts of Ukraine

https://au.news.yahoo.com/ten-years-since-illegal-annexation-040029877.html

 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I think if Putin thinks he can get away with it, he'll go for any target including NATO countries (the Baltics are particularly vulnerable). The west caving in Ukraine aided by the Maga fascists would give him confidence. There are also non NATo countries in the east that interest him. Obviously of course Putin thought conquering Ukraine would be much easier and quicker but it hasn't been  and yet it's clear that he will never stop as long as he lives! There is no such thing as fair negotiation with Putin. 

As far as long term damage to Russia, yes some of that has already happened, and continued damage to Russia which is unfortunately slow is the best chance for Ukraine to prevail.

It's amazing what Ukraine has done with blowing up Russian oil refineries and sinking black sea ships.

All the maga fascists look at is the Ukraine map and lack of progress taking back stolen lands. But much more is going on. 

Taking out the Kherson Bridge is probably hopefully inevitable and that would be a huge turning point.

Ukraine has proven that Putin's red lines where he is going to use nukes are all bluff.

Yes all this may take years or many years but so do many historical wars (should the allies in WW2 caved to the Nazis after two years?), and it's clear to me that the only way Ukraine loses is for the west to lose its resolve.

An irony is that with a weakened Russia, China will be tempted to pounce on to Siberia using the same kind of historical narratives Putin uses against Ukraine.

 

Also about Ukraine. Yes Ukraine is special to Putin. He really believes his perverted narrative of history that Ukraine doesn't exist separate from Russia. Negotiations at best will create a pause for a later push. 

 

Wow. MAGA fascists in as soon as the second line. On form or what?

 

Certainly not on topic.

Edited March 21 by nauseus

[Mavideol]

will agree with Estonian PM .... the old saying goes as “A dog that barks not bite”

 

Vladimir Putin Is 'Afraid' Of War With Nato, Estonian PM Claims

https://au.news.yahoo.com/vladimir-putin-afraid-war-nato-143037047.html