Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[KhunLA]

  On 6/9/2022 at 12:39 AM, Sophon said:

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I'm not seeing the problem, as only 360 kms, and may have to top up once, and a few on the way with no detour necessary.

 

 

[transam]

  On 6/9/2022 at 12:32 AM, Bandersnatch said:

We have spent enough time answering the question:

 

“Is it possible to charge an EV on a long trip in Thailand?”

 

The answer is yes - so let’s move on.

 

The only caveat being it is easier if you choose an EV with good dealer charging support. Currently the clear winner in Thailand is MG. GWM has promised the same but has yet to be rolled out. Tesla has recently set up a company in Thailand and has a reputation of offering the best charging support of any EV manufacturer. 

 

MG fast DC charges charge at 94 kW DC adding 410km/hour so a 22 minute charge adds 150km of range. Tesla charge at twice that rate with some cars charging at three times.

 

 

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Why, some readers may not be convinced, including me.  ????

[KhunLA]

  On 6/9/2022 at 12:56 AM, macahoom said:

The road tax, per annum, for the MGZS EV is ฿1,300.

 

No idea how much for the ICE version, but I know it's more. 

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ICE version ... ฿1647

[KhunLA]

  On 6/9/2022 at 1:16 AM, transam said:

Why, some readers may not be convinced, including me.  ????

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Looking at PlugShare map, seems more than enough nationwide, except in the most extreme cases, of which I haven't noticed any 300 kms stretches without a CS.  Especially where most expats are.

 

Of course you need to be able to use said vendors, personally not sure what's required, (joining app or have CC/debit card) but watched enough YT vids to figure out it's not that difficult.

 

Along with possibly reserving your time slot, if wanting.  Most importantly, not one member on here that owns an EV has complained about it, for any reason.

 

MG being probably most popular EVs, and a dealer now or in the future, every 150 ish kms.  Only the extreme anti-EV'ers keep repeating this silliness.  A bit annoying actually.

 

Every time on a forum, someone states, they can find something, it seems to be pointed out, and proven, they simply aren't looking good enough, or at all.

 

You can rip an engine / car apart & put it back together, but can't work out where and how to top up an EV .... seriously ????

[Bandersnatch]

Is Thailand ready for mass EV adoption?

 

Thailand is still in the early adopter stage and not ready for mass EV adoption in my opinion. How do you know if you are an early adopter? You need to have good problem solving skills, lots of patience and the ability and willingness to adapt. 

 

When I started to install an off-grid solar system, I started a 5 years fight with PEA. Due to a lack of solar experience in Surin eventually the solar team from PEA Korat had to come down to sign off my system. I have since had my meter changed 5 times as PEA thought as it wasn’t moving it must be broken.

 

I put down a deposit on an MG ZS EV in 2019 as soon as they were released in Thailand. The wall box install team selected by MG refused to install as I had solar “solar no good”. 2 years later after involving the president of MG Thailand I got to power an MG from my home solar system.

 

Things will get easier and the problems will get sorted. I participate in an online MG podcast with people from Europe, Aus, NZ and it clear that Thailand is about 5 years behind where Europe is with EVs.

 

I see questions and concerns expressed online in Thailand about EVs and my advice probably in many cases would be:

 

“Wait before considering buying an EV in Thailand. It’s not a completely seamless experience yet”

 

I started this discussion for EV early adopters, to share experiences and solve problems together, not to try and evangelize those with genuine concerns about EVs.

 

[Excel]

  On 6/9/2022 at 12:39 AM, Sophon said:

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Perhaps you should start a separate thread and name it "route Planning" ????

[CLW]

  On 6/8/2022 at 1:14 PM, Excel said:

But as I said which some people have difficulty understanding, not on my route so if you search my posts you will find the facts.

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People here are trying to help you but seem to ignore everyone advise or help. Good luck when asking next time

[Excel]

  On 6/9/2022 at 5:45 AM, CLW said:

People here are trying to help you but seem to ignore everyone advise or help. Good luck when asking next time

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Help me ?  No they are just attempting to make out that there are charging points on the route I take when they are totally ignorant of what my route is.  A 12 year child these days have enough skills to firstly identify current charging points and then determine a route to use in order to use them but that is plain dumb.  And you seem another one who attempts to jump in with both feet without reading my posts. So, please show me my post in this thread where I asked for anything  as you stated I did ?

[transam]

  On 6/9/2022 at 5:45 AM, CLW said:

People here are trying to help you but seem to ignore everyone advise or help. Good luck when asking next time

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The OP has asked members to not ask any more questions on getting juice, which to me is a cop out, because the major factor with an EV is to not worry about juice top up.

 

[transam]

Are EV's in LOS unsellable at say 6 years old...?

[KhunLA]

  On 6/9/2022 at 6:16 AM, transam said:

Are EV's in LOS unsellable at say 6 years old...?

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Since most haven't been around for 6 years, guess it's a big ?????

 

Not sure what my ICE will be worth at 6 yr mark, as dealer / tent folks, only offer ฿350k, which is 50% off purchase of 2 yr ago.  See listed on FB for ฿400-450k.  I'd keep or give to our daughter before selling for ฿350k.

 

I know the EV will be my last car, as surely outlast me, barring any oops.  Actually expecting 20 yr / 300k kms out of it.  Hope everything lasts as long as the batteries & motors.  300 kms isn't really that much now of days.   Extreme negative, 1000 cycles @ 300 kms a cycle.

 

ICE @ 300 kms, just petrol cost alone is the price of the EV. 

300k kms / 11 kpL X ฿35 = ฿955k

 

So ... what other negative thought about EVs are you going to repeat or come up with ????

 

 

[KhunLA]

  On 6/9/2022 at 6:14 AM, transam said:

The OP has asked members to not ask any more questions on getting juice, which to me is a cop out, because the major factor with an EV is to not worry about juice top up.

 

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Asked & answered how many times already ???

[Bandersnatch]

  On 6/9/2022 at 6:16 AM, transam said:

Are EV's in LOS unsellable at say 6 years old...?

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MGs come with an 8 year battery warranty and second hand models seem to hold their value but are only 3 years old.

 

 

Older EVs in the UK and US are selling for what they cost new

 

 

 

 

[KhunLA]

  On 6/9/2022 at 4:08 AM, Excel said:

Perhaps you should start a separate thread and name it "route Planning" ????

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I'm not the one who needs it ... ????

 

"On the Road Again" ... damn near a theme song for us ... ????

[transam]

  On 6/9/2022 at 6:46 AM, KhunLA said:

Since most haven't been around for 6 years, guess it's a big ?????

 

Not sure what my ICE will be worth at 6 yr mark, as dealer / tent folks, only offer ฿350k, which is 50% off purchase of 2 yr ago.  See listed on FB for ฿400-450k.  I'd keep or give to our daughter before selling for ฿350k.

 

I know the EV will be my last car, as surely outlast me, barring any oops.  Actually expecting 20 yr / 300k kms out of it.  Hope everything lasts as long as the batteries & motors.  300 kms isn't really that much now of days.   Extreme negative, 1000 cycles @ 300 kms a cycle.

 

ICE @ 300 kms, just petrol cost alone is the price of the EV. 

300k kms / 11 kpL X ฿35 = ฿955k

 

So ... what other negative thought about EVs are you going to repeat or come up with ????

 

 

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My point was the cost of battery replacement at around 8 years old, who is going to buy a 6 year old electric car, it will cost as much as the car is worth to install a new battery bank...

[transam]

  On 6/9/2022 at 7:00 AM, Bandersnatch said:

MGs come with an 8 year battery warranty and second hand models seem to hold their value but are only 3 years old.

 

 

Older EVs in the UK and US are selling for what they cost new

 

 

 

 

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Read my next post. 6 year old car, and cost of battery bank replacement, I reckon they will be worthless...

[KhunLA]

  On 6/9/2022 at 8:16 AM, transam said:

My point was the cost of battery replacement at around 8 years old, who is going to buy a 6 year old electric car, it will cost as much as the car is worth to install a new battery bank...

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Repeating the same query over again, doesn't change the answer, which you already know.  The warranty is good for 8 yrs 180k kms.  The battery itself, is good for far longer.  

 

But you already knew that.   

 

You guys just made my ignore list, sad, as I like some of your replies elsewhere.

[Excel]

  On 6/9/2022 at 8:28 AM, KhunLA said:

Repeating the same query over again, doesn't change the answer, which you already know.  The warranty is good for 8 yrs 180k kms.  The battery itself, is good for far longer.  

 

But you already knew that.   

 

You guys just made my ignore list, sad, as I like some of your replies elsewhere.

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Found this after Googling, an interesting article from an Australian site

 

https://thedriven.io/2021/07/23/how-much-are-replacement-batteries-for-electric-vehicles-in-australia/

 

[transam]

  On 6/9/2022 at 8:28 AM, KhunLA said:

Repeating the same query over again, doesn't change the answer, which you already know.  The warranty is good for 8 yrs 180k kms.  The battery itself, is good for far longer.  

 

But you already knew that.   

 

You guys just made my ignore list, sad, as I like some of your replies elsewhere.

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That has nothing to do with my question, so let me put it very simple for you, ready.......

 

Who is going to buy a 6 year old EV if it is known the battery bank is stuffed at 8 years old, the battery bank change will cost as much as the six/eight year old car.

We all know that modern petrol or diesel cars go on forever and hold their value in THAILAND...

 

[richard_smith237]

  On 6/9/2022 at 9:53 AM, transam said:

That has nothing to do with my question, so let me put it very simple for you, ready.......

 

Who is going to buy a 6 year old EV if it is known the battery bank is stuffed at 8 years old, the battery bank change will cost as much as the six/eight year old car.

We all know that modern petrol or diesel cars go on forever and hold their value in THAILAND...

 

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I would never buy a 6 year old EV...   that would be utter foolishness at the moment. 

 

So, unless the batteries become more ‘interchangable’ between models its going to be tough unless manufacturers agree to continue to make the same batteries for the old models at a price which warrants the change rather than a new car. 

 

OR... the industry goes a different way... Cars are not bought, but leased... and we re-lease a car every 3,4,5 years etc...  and then IF the industry goes that way, are we only going to get cars that last for 5 years?...  Then, isn’t that somewhat of a throwaway society and not exactly environmentally friendly.. 

[Bandersnatch]

Reminder this a discussion about EVs in Thailand.

 

This not a discussion about EVs v ICE cars  - for that go here:

 

 

 

[Tuvoc]

Article on EV depreciation in the UK:

 

The fastest depreciating EVs unveiled - including Audi, Kia and Tesla (msn.com)

 

 

[transam]

  On 6/9/2022 at 12:19 PM, Bandersnatch said:

Reminder this a discussion about EVs in Thailand.

 

This not a discussion about EVs v ICE cars  - for that go here:

 

 

 

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I am talking about 6 year old EV's in LOS, please keep up....????

[placeholder]

  On 6/10/2022 at 12:27 AM, Tuvoc said:

Article on EV depreciation in the UK:

 

The fastest depreciating EVs unveiled - including Audi, Kia and Tesla (msn.com)

 

 

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From the article:

"Meanwhile it was Teslas that held their value best, with the Model 3 standard version dropping just 15 percent in the first three years of ownership."

[Bandersnatch]

Latest information on the pricing of the Neta V in Thailand - ฿600,000 making it the cheapest EV in Thailand not counting micro cars. (Apologies for the poor Google Translation)

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/yuttachai.phaisitkulvivat/posts/2410105249129820

 

 

 

[KhunLA]

Tinker Car assembly line ... impressive & scary, all at the same time ... ????

SAIC-GM-Wuling (฿400k range):

 

[CLW]

  On 6/11/2022 at 6:56 AM, KhunLA said:

Tinker Car assembly line ... impressive & scary, all at the same time ... ????

SAIC-GM-Wuling (฿400k range):

 

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Nontheless it was (or still is) one of the best selling EVs in China.

[CLW]

  On 6/11/2022 at 3:44 AM, Bandersnatch said:

Latest information on the pricing of the Neta V in Thailand - ฿600,000 making it the cheapest EV in Thailand not counting micro cars. (Apologies for the poor Google Translation)

 

 

 

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/yuttachai.phaisitkulvivat/posts/2410105249129820

 

 

 

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The price is definitely a deal breaker. However, I would like to see one in real and more importantly, make a test drive.

[macahoom]

  On 6/11/2022 at 6:56 AM, KhunLA said:

Tinker Car assembly line ... impressive & scary, all at the same time ... ????

SAIC-GM-Wuling (฿400k range):

 

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I see impressive, but not scary.

 

Why do you say scary?

 

I think the small wheels ruin the look.

[KhunLA]

  On 6/11/2022 at 7:18 AM, macahoom said:

I see impressive, but not scary.

 

Why do you say scary?

 

I think the small wheels ruin the look.

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The robot welding is quite impressive, but then you see a lot of bits, 'snapping' in place.  I'm sure they're securely tightened and all before it rolls off the line.  Just not something I'd want to be in, if taking a decent hit.  Like how they all get a little test drive after coming off the line.

 

They are produced to just knock around town.  Do wish they got some kind of govt incentive here, as they, Wuling & POCCO (฿500k range) both sell for 2X the Chinese price.  And not exactly spec heavy. 

https://www.autofun.co.th/news/เทียบสเปคกันชัด-ๆ-pocco-mm-vs-wuling-mini-ev-เจ้าจิ๋วคันไหนครองใจคุณ-37641

 

Definitely a step up from e-motorcycle, considering rain, or the extreme inexpensive tinker cars, with lead acid batteries for half price, the line of IMIO Mini EVs: https://pantip.com/topic/41327871

 

Especially when you have the Neta V hitting the market in the ฿600k range.  Seems silly not to spring for the extra 100 or 200k more.    If the Wuling meets your needs, and 200k more is a stretch, then it works fine.