Can tourists still pet tigers in Thailand, and where is closest to Bangkok?

[Liverpool Lou]

12 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

12 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Whats that got to do with drugging them? How many more links would you like of the abuse they suffer?

I would like just one link where it shows they are being drugged . 

From the same article...

"Drugging used to happen a lot and then it got exposed.  Whether places are still drugging them and hiding it, I don't know [either way]"

[Liverpool Lou]

12 hours ago, cliveshep said:

Thus far only one person has answered my question, thanks for the4 info on Pattaya Zoo. Quite a lot of posts from the tree huggers I specifically asked not to bother to chime in, we know your views and feelings, I do not want to hear more of them.

"I specifically asked not to bother to chime in, we know your views and feelings, I do not want to hear more of them".

It's a public forum, you don't make the rules about what is posted.   Request the thread to be closed if you don't like what you started.

[Liverpool Lou]

11 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

I went to the Tiger Kingdom in Chiang Mai ... The facility is attractive  doesn't even smell like a zoo. There is no drugging going on

"There is no drugging going on".

Hahahahahahahahaaa...!

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 hours ago, kennw said:

And I assume they also like being kept in captivity?

The other option is dying . 

I would assume that they would rather be in captivity than being dead 

[Mac Mickmanus]

23 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"...and are happy being around humans".

Only because they are so doped-up they have no idea what is going on!

Again, you have no evidence of that , that's just what you think .

You can get sued for libel and slander for making false accusations 

[Liverpool Lou]

10 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Male tigers fight each other to be leader of the herd and being leader of the herd gives them the right to breed with the females .

   When one tiger fights and kills a rival tiger and becomes leader of the herd, he will also kill any cub tigers , he will do this because it encourages the female tigers to breed again .

Er, no, tigers do not live in herds, fighting for control of their (captive) females and killing the cubs.   You're getting confused with lions.  Sorry.

[atpeace]

12 hours ago, Fortescue said:

I should say it's more humiliating for the human than for the tiger, since it shows absolutely no respect for the animal as an alpha predator. If you want to cuddle a tiger, buy a toy and watch Disney animations, these wild animals have millenia of predatory instincts developed in them. Do you imagine that being born in captivity for one or two generations changes that? The answer to that question can be found in the number of idiots in South Africa and elsewhere that have been killed, maimed, dismembered and eaten when they thought they had a friendly relationship with the beast.

True bit how many more died driving to the Zoo and never got the chance to pet? Both are small risks IMO.  Something seems wrong about caging wild animals and the experience of petting them contrived and embarrassing.  If it floats his daughters boat and they are morally cool with it, then pet and pose for pics to their hearts content.  Probably a lot of FB likes to be had.

[atpeace]

8 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Er, no, tigers do not live in herds, fighting for control of their (captive) females and killing the cubs.   You're getting confused with lions.

No, he is correct but should have not used the word herd. Replace that word with territory and all is good.

[Mac Mickmanus]

9 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Er, no, tigers do not live in herds, fighting for control of their (captive) females and killing the cubs.   You're getting confused with lions.

Well , the point still stands, If a Tiger sees another Male tiger , they will likely fight for supremacy and if the new tiger wins, he will kill the females tiger cubs  .

  Those soon to be killed tiger cubs are rescued and then taken to tiger kingdoms 

[BangkokReady]

13 hours ago, cliveshep said:

Quite a lot of posts from the tree huggers I specifically asked not to bother to chime in, we know your views and feelings, I do not want to hear more of them.

Do you even know where you are?  This is not the place to find tree-huggers.  There's also quite a large middle ground between hippie tree-hugging vegans and moronic tourists who don't even realise that what they are participating in harms animals.

 

I would have thought that maybe the fact that only one commenter has actually entertained your delusions might have clued you in to the fact that your opinion is very much the minority among people who know anything about Thailand.

 

If you post on a public forum, expect responses from users on that forum.  What you "specifically asked" doesn't come into it.

[Liverpool Lou]

11 minutes ago, atpeace said:

20 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Er, no, tigers do not live in herds, fighting for control of their (captive) females and killing the cubs.   You're getting confused with lions.

No, he is correct but should have not used the word herd. Replace that word with territory and all is good.

No, tigers do not fight for control of females and kill their cubs just to mate,  they wander their territory, find a female, bang it and bu_gger off.

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

No, tigers do not fight for control of females and kill their cubs just to mate,  they wander their territory, find a female, bang it and bu_gger off.

Male tigers normally kill the cubs that are not theirs just in order to mate with the mother or to take over the territory and exert their dominance over that region.

 male tigers will also not hesitate to kill the cubs of their ex-mates just in order to mate again with the females during the times when there are not mating partners available to them.

 

https://onlyzoology.com/do-male-tigers-help-raise-cubs-why-do-tigers-kill-cubs-and-more-to-know/

[Denim]

14 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

they were born in captivity and are happy being around humans 

Even Tigers have bad hair days and when they do ........... watch out.

[Aforek]

9 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

No, tigers do not fight for control of females and kill their cubs just to mate,  they wander their territory, find a female, bang it and bu_gger off.

You are right, there are documentaries on Internet to learn how live wild tigers : some people have to learn that tigers are not lions 

[Scott Tracy]

15 hours ago, it is what it is said:

it's humiliating for the animal, please don't.

Really?

 

you know this for sure?

[LarrySR]

15 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

Didn't the tiger place have a load of dead tiger cubs and tiger body parts frozen?  I don't think they were that much better off in the tiger sanctuary.  Death may have been the more favourable option.

 

Best not to associate yourself with any animal tourism in Thailand, unless you are very sure that the animals are not being abused and are being cared for properly.

I thought the tourist attraction was shut down after authorities discovered the place was just posing as a tourist attraction to disguise the fact they were in the illegal but lucrative biz of selling tiger parts to a Chinese medicine man.

[Scott Tracy]

For the OP: If the intention was to ignore or not invite comments from so called morons, you came to the wrong place.

 

There are other methods of getting such information without putting it out for public review....

 

Petting wild animals is wrong. Putting wild animals in captivity is wrong. Destroying wild animals habitat is wrong. Big sweeping syatements, I know, but....I'm a moron...

[Scott Tracy]

16 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Since when were you asked and nominated to speak on behalf of tigers ?

Tigers, like cats , enjoy being stroked 

Ok, go stroke them in the wild....

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Scott Tracy said:

For the OP: If the intention was to ignore or not invite comments from so called morons, you came to the wrong place.

 

There are other methods of getting such information without putting it out for public review....

 

Petting wild animals is wrong. Putting wild animals in captivity is wrong. Destroying wild animals habitat is wrong. Big sweeping syatements, I know, but....I'm a moron...

They are not wild animals though , they are tame .

They are big cats 

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Scott Tracy said:

Ok, go stroke them in the wild....

No, that would be stupid and dangerous . 

Same as other wild animals , like dogs , wild dogs are not safe to stroke, although domesticated dogs are safer to stroke .

   Can you see a difference between wild animals and domesticated animals ?

[LarrySR]

QUOTE from a tourist that visited the Tiger Temple...

"I was nervous about going into the Temple, however I was reassured by the staff that as the tigers had been hand reared, they were so used to humans they were completely tame."

 

But no worries, the Tiger Temple paid the medical bills after she was mauled.

 

 

[Fairynuff]

15 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

They are big cats and they enjoy being stroked . 

They like being stroked hard , quite forcefully 

Best to do it when they’re hungry

[Fairynuff]

13 hours ago, cliveshep said:

Thus far only one person has answered my question, thanks for the4 info on Pattaya Zoo. Quite a lot of posts from the tree huggers I specifically asked not to bother to chime in, we know your views and feelings, I do not want to hear more of them.

 

My son went to wash elephants in Chiang Mai's rivers, came back full of how elephant places abused elephants and how we must not ride on them as the poor things suffer from bad backs etc. Utter cobblers of course but that is what these so-called animal lovers tell them. Of course he was horrified when I told him that no one wants a redundant working animal or could look after it or afford to feed it so now tractors and winches have replaced elephants what did he suggest, apart from a bullet, be done with them?

 

He had no answer, and none of the tree huggers can answer that question sensibly.  "Elephant sanctuaries" they will say  glibly, because that is what they have been told. Fine, who pays for those? Who buys the land, puts elephant-proof fences around it so they don't wander off and scoff some poor farmers crops? Who pays the men to care for them? Who pays the fodder bill day after day for 5o years or more? Ditto tiger sanctuaries where tourists don't visit or interact. Who pays?

 

Funny really, the most vociferous animal rights proponents cannot answer that question. They'll glibly tell you endangered species must be protected, but cannot think of a way to do it that isn't going to cost an awful lot of money. So elephant football actually works, as does elephant artistry, the animals get some  exercise, earn money which pays for their keep.

 

Same with tigers, those 140 odd tigers in Kanchanaburi were bonded to the monks in a personal way, went for daily walks, were human-socialised. So maybe some cubs were killed and income derived from body parts - yes, it is a hateful business but tigers are NOT pussy cats, they eat a lot and that costs a lot. The monks managed to keep 140 odd tigers self-supporting and contented and no evidence of drugging. Along come do-gooders, government takes the cats away and 2/3 die in cramped cages. For me they were better off exploited for tourists, they got fed, walked, socialised and were not locked away in cramped quarters with no sort of life.

 

And apart from some looney-toons pushing my buttons, is there anywhere else apart from Pattaya?

You are a truly sickening person

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, Fairynuff said:

Best to do it when they’re hungry

No, that would be the worst time to do it . 

Tigers need to be well fed , otherwise they would eat people 

[Fairynuff]

18 minutes ago, Scott Tracy said:

For the OP: If the intention was to ignore or not invite comments from so called morons, you came to the wrong place.

 

There are other methods of getting such information without putting it out for public review....

 

Petting wild animals is wrong. Putting wild animals in captivity is wrong. Destroying wild animals habitat is wrong. Big sweeping syatements, I know, but....I'm a moron...

I’m a very happy moron too.

[Fairynuff]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No, that would be the worst time to do it . 

Tigers need to be well fed , otherwise they would eat people 

Oh yeah, now why didn’t I think of that

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, Fairynuff said:

Oh yeah, now why didn’t I think of that

Wasn't you being sarcastic ?

[The Hammer2021]

Sadly our local tiger  zoo near Pattaya has closed I think

[Captain Monday]

Maybe it is Xanax. The bigs ones suitable for petting  are active but mellow, 

[Fairynuff]

58 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Wasn't you being sarcastic ?

I absolutely was.