POLITICS Trump says FBI raiding his Mar-a-Lago home

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9 minutes ago, userabcd said:

Ugh, Democrats, full of connivers.

Thanks for outing yourself. Not that confirmation was necessary.

[userabcd]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Another case of "I don't like Trump but..."

Just expressing some sympathy for the guy because overbearing Democrats have been hounding him for many years.

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1 minute ago, userabcd said:

Just expressing some sympathy for the guy because overbearing Democrats have been hounding him for many years.

You might as well write a confession. You've practically done it already.

[johnnybangkok]

4 minutes ago, userabcd said:

Just expressing some sympathy for the guy because overbearing Democrats have been hounding him for many years.

Obviously he's been a model POTUS who will be admired for his honesty, inclusiveness and his ability to bring the country together. I don't know what those pesky Dems have against him.

[JonnyF]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Trump has lots of fans who are neo-Nais, white nationalists, etc. I don't think many of them are Democrats or Republicans. Does that make them neutral observers?

Well, if they are fans of Trump (unlike me) then they are clearly not neutral observers.

 

Was that some kind of a rhetorical question? An attempt at humour? Or have I greatly overestimated your ability to understand the word Neutral? 

[mikeymike100]

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

I saw that he was accused of a lot of things by the radical left. I thought the US still had due process, innocent until proven guilty? Or have the far left removed this along with freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of thought etc?

 

I agree people should go to jail irrespective of their politics. Which makes the Hunter Biden debacle even more puzzling.

Many people have been accused of a lot of things, including Trump. Usually its the left  MSM and social media pundits.

 

If Trump had been found guilty of something, in a court of law, gone thru due process, then by all means he should get sentenced for whatever crime he had committed.

God knows they have tried?

 

The problem is as you say, he has been accused, but not charged and certainly not found guilty by a jury of his peers and yet there are actual people on this forum that want him locked up, or worse? For what? They dont like his hair? It beggars belief.

 

They obviously do not believe the concept of innocent until proven guilty?

 

 

 

[userabcd]

OK ready to confess

 

I'm not a democrat, I'm not a Republican, hell I'm not even American.

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6 minutes ago, userabcd said:

OK ready to confess

 

I'm not a democrat, I'm not a Republican, hell I'm not even American.

This was my response to a similar claim from JohnnyF

"Trump has lots of fans who are neo-Nais, white nationalists, etc. I don't think many of them are Democrats or Republicans. Does that make them neutral observers?"

[OneMoreFarang]

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

You stated he did things for which the punishment is jail. You are now saying he is suspected of doing things. Massive difference. Get your story straight and stick to it.

 

Yes you lefties should probably ignore the whole Hunter Biden thing. Keep that head in the sand, you'll sleep better at night.

Do you have difficulties with reading or understanding?

Which part about what I wrote about Hunter Biden is too difficult for you?

Maybe I have to write it again: Hunter Biden doesn't run for president, Trump does. This is one of the many reasons why Trump should be prosecuted ASAP.

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, userabcd said:

OK ready to confess

 

I'm not a democrat, I'm not a Republican, hell I'm not even American.

You clearly don't understand the rules. If you don't agree with everything they say, you are a Trump loving, gun toting, white supremacist ????. 

 

Or at least that's what they label you, and then they proceed to argue against your (completely imagined) Trump loving, gun toting, white supremacist views.

 

It's standard procedure on here. This thread is an excellent example. They don't understand the concept of Neutrality. It blows their mind.

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Just now, JonnyF said:

You clearly don't understand the rules. If you don't agree with everything they say, you are a Trump loving, gun toting, white supremacist ????. 

 

Or at least that's what they label you, and then they proceed to argue against your (completely imagined) Trump loving, gun toting, white supremacist views.

 

It's standard procedure on here. This thread is an excellent example. They don't understand the concept of Neutrality. It blows their mind.

This coming from someone who calls critics of Trump "radical leftists" and "antifa types".

[candide]

7 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

You clearly don't understand the rules. If you don't agree with everything they say, you are a Trump loving, gun toting, white supremacist ????. 

 

Or at least that's what they label you, and then they proceed to argue against your (completely imagined) Trump loving, gun toting, white supremacist views.

 

It's standard procedure on here. This thread is an excellent example. They don't understand the concept of Neutrality. It blows their mind.

By curiosity, what do you think Trump did was bad, and good?

[MrJ2U]

6 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

ridiculous move to raid Trump's home

Honestly, it is most likely that they have good reason to do so.  It's unlikely to get a an order to raid a house on a federal warrant without probable cause. 

 

The way things are going for the current administration it won't be long until the republican administration is back in the Whitehouse in any case. 

[Slip]

4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

I'm not even a fan of Trump (nice deflection though). I thought he had some good policies and some bad policies, and while he could come across as a bit of a loose cannon at times I never really understood the Left's unhinged obsession with him. It was bordeline psychotic at times.

 

That said, as a non-Amercian neutral observer it's painfully obvious to see <snip for brevity>

"Neutral observer"  ????????????

[OneMoreFarang]

14 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

They don't understand the concept of Neutrality. It blows their mind.

They are really bad. We can agree on that one.

By the way, who is "they"?

[Phoenix Rising]

45 minutes ago, userabcd said:

Ugh, Democrats, full of connivers.

I'll take connivers over traitors any day.

[SunnyinBangrak]

Just now, MrJ2U said:

Honestly, it is most likely that they have good reason to do so.  It's unlikely to get a an order to raid a house on a federal warrant without probable cause. 

 

The way things are going for the current administration it won't be long until the republican administration is back in the Whitehouse in any case. 

It's unlikely for the FBI to get a warrant to spy on a Presidential campaign(Trump's). We all know how that turned out. The FBI's credibility over everything Trump is in the toilet. 

 Not expecting anything different this time. The left are terrified of Trump running in 2024 and are now acting in sheer desperation. I saw the photos of supposed "wads" of classified documents flushed down his toilet. It is beyond farcical, like all the other conspiracy theories they use against Trump. If they are trying to provoke a civil war, they are doing a great job.

[Phoenix Rising]

30 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

Many people have been accused of a lot of things, including Trump. Usually its the left  MSM and social media pundits.

 

If Trump had been found guilty of something, in a court of law, gone thru due process, then by all means he should get sentenced for whatever crime he had committed.

God knows they have tried?

 

The problem is as you say, he has been accused, but not charged and certainly not found guilty by a jury of his peers and yet there are actual people on this forum that want him locked up, or worse? For what? They dont like his hair? It beggars belief.

Hair? Don't like it but then again I'm quite conservative when it comes to my taste in hair styles. My intense dislike of trumps stems more from his spectacular ineptidude as a leader, his moral and ethical bankruptcy, his constant lying and insincerity, his bully boy persona resulting in a willingness to trod on anyone and everyone (including war heroes and people with disabilities), his misogyny, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc,, etc.

But most of all it is the fact that he is a filthy traitor who couldn't handle losing the election and actually tried instigating a coup.

For the one with the ultimate responsibility only the ultimate punishment fits the crime.

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Just now, SunnyinBangrak said:

It's unlikely for the FBI to get a warrant to spy on a Presidential campaign(Trump's). We all know how that turned out. The FBI's credibility over everything Trump is in the toilet. 

 Not expecting anything different this time. The left are terrified of Trump running in 2024 and are now acting in sheer desperation. I saw the photos of supposed "wads" of classified documents flushed down his toilet. It is beyond farcical, like all the other conspiracy theories they use against Trump. If they are trying to provoke a civil war, they are doing a great job.

 The inspector general looked at whether the FBI followed department rules for opening investigations and whether politics had played a role.

"We did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced (the) decision to open Crossfire Hurricane," the Inspector General’s 2019 report said.

The report criticized the FBI and Justice Department for having a low threshold of evidence to trigger a counterintelligence investigation, but given the rules at the time, the facts were sufficient.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/08/24/fact-check-did-obama-spy-on-trumprsquos-campaign-get-caught/42457379/

[mikebike]

4 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

Innocent until proven

 

Basic principle many seem to have forgotten

You do not seem to understand the term "investigation"... investigation (including the execution of warrants MAY result in charges which, MAY result in a conviction.

 

Your cart is soooo far ahead of your horse no one can see it ????

[FritsSikkink]

49 minutes ago, userabcd said:

Just expressing some sympathy for the guy because overbearing Democrats have been hounding him for many years.

He is being investigated by the FBI director he appointed himself, get a grip.

[FritsSikkink]

44 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Well, if they are fans of Trump (unlike me) then they are clearly not neutral observers.

 

Was that some kind of a rhetorical question? An attempt at humour? Or have I greatly overestimated your ability to understand the word Neutral? 

You are definitely NOT neutral

[Sparktrader]

1 minute ago, mikebike said:

You do not seem to understand the term "investigation"... investigation (including the execution of warrants MAY result in charges which, MAY result in a conviction.

 

Your cart is soooo far ahead of your horse no one can see it ????

Read the comments

Half convicted already, one said death penalty

[Phoenix Rising]

9 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

It's unlikely for the FBI to get a warrant to spy on a Presidential campaign(Trump's). We all know how that turned out. The FBI's credibility over everything Trump is in the toilet. 

 Not expecting anything different this time. The left are terrified of Trump running in 2024 and are now acting in sheer desperation. I saw the photos of supposed "wads" of classified documents flushed down his toilet. It is beyond farcical, like all the other conspiracy theories they use against Trump. If they are trying to provoke a civil war, they are doing a great job.

You know what terrifies me? It terrifies me that there are enough "independent thinkers" (being extremely polite here) out there so that there can even be talk of a rerun for the worst president ever, a person so spectacularly unfit to lead that even if he led a gaggle of geese across the road you'd expect a disaster to happen.

[mikebike]

4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

You stated he did things for which the punishment is jail. You are now saying he is suspected of doing things. Massive difference. Get your story straight and stick to it.

 

Yes you lefties should probably ignore the whole Hunter Biden thing. Keep that head in the sand, you'll sleep better at night.

I'm not biased he screams as he yells at "lefties"... classic. ????

[FritsSikkink]

44 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

Many people have been accused of a lot of things, including Trump. Usually its the left  MSM and social media pundits.

 

If Trump had been found guilty of something, in a court of law, gone thru due process, then by all means he should get sentenced for whatever crime he had committed.

God knows they have tried?

 

The problem is as you say, he has been accused, but not charged and certainly not found guilty by a jury of his peers and yet there are actual people on this forum that want him locked up, or worse? For what? They dont like his hair? It beggars belief.

 

They obviously do not believe the concept of innocent until proven guilty?

 

 

 

He has been sentenced for many things during the over 3000 court cases he has had.

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

A lot of assumptions there my friend.????

 

I am indeed neutral on US politics but the way the FBI is going after Trump is clearly politically motivated, it's clear as day. However, you radical lefties would never admit such a thing since behind all your talk of due process you secretly support it due to your hatred of Trump. Acting as if judges cannot show political bias or be bought ????.

 

Like I said, people with skin in the game cannot see the wood for the trees, or simply choose to ignore it since it matches/supports their political agenda. It requires a neutral observer like myself to point out the glaringly obvious and even then the Antifa types will shout us down with their usual vitriol. ????

Clearly politically motivated how?  According to the National Archives (the organization that would know about these things) Trump took fifteen boxes of documents, some of it marked as classified, when he left the White House.   https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-took-classified-material-white-house-florida-national-archives-says-2022-02-18/

 

That is clearly illegal. 

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Nothing contradictory in those 2 statements.

 

As a neutral, it's very easy to spot a radical leftist on these threads. Just as it's easy to see someone who is right wing. I call it as I see it.

What is your criteria for being a radical leftist?  Other than not supporting Trump?

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

When the GOP takes control of Congress in November they need to conduct and branch and root investigation of the Democrat Party partisans working at all levels of the FBI...and cut 50% of this rogue agency's budget. That way they will be forced to focus on real crimes and not political persecutions of real Americans.

Now that's how you politicize the Justice system!

[candide]

33 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

It's unlikely for the FBI to get a warrant to spy on a Presidential campaign(Trump's). We all know how that turned out. The FBI's credibility over everything Trump is in the toilet. 

 Not expecting anything different this time. The left are terrified of Trump running in 2024 and are now acting in sheer desperation. I saw the photos of supposed "wads" of classified documents flushed down his toilet. It is beyond farcical, like all the other conspiracy theories they use against Trump. If they are trying to provoke a civil war, they are doing a great job.

Talking about conspiracy theories, lol! ????

The IG found the FBI did not display any political bias when initiating the investigation of Trump and the Russian government. The Durham investigation did not prove the opposite, despite the time and money wasted.

 

On top of it, knowing that it will likely be investigated by the GOP, one can be sure that the FBI  (led by a Trump appointee) did everything by the book.

Edited August 9, 2022 by candide