Biden speech denouncing Trump, 'MAGA ideology' sparks threats, calls for violence

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, simple1 said:

Do you think the MAGA crowd actually believe trump is speaking the truth - if so they would truly have to be stupid. Perhaps it's just expressing support for trump's anti government / anti institution ideology - remember trump appointed people to departments who actually had zero qualifications for the role and were intent on destroying them. trump has made it very clear he's only interested in people loyal to him as the priority, not to the Constitution, trump is in fact the "Enemy of the State".

I'd give a "like" to

Do you think the MAGA crowd actually believe trump is speaking the truth - if so they would truly have to be stupid. Perhaps it's just expressing support for trump's anti government / anti institution ideology

 

but not the rest.

For those that have forgotten, he was elected as a protest against Washington DC political class. Had someone other than her been the Democrat candidate, likely they would have won eg Bernie.

[Scott]

Conspiratorial post and replies removed.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, steven100 said:

how depressing is the state of the current leadership selections in the US .......  

 

Joe Biden who talks like he's got a mouth full of marbles, with constant mistakes in speeches etc ....

 

and another crook named Trump who supports Russia & China .....   jeeeeze .....   god help us !

 

source: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-compliments-fierce-smart-putin-101715059.html

 

Agree with "how depressing is the state of the current leadership selections in the US .......  ", but the US isn't the only western country with such problems. Seems pretty universal to me.

Can anyone name a popular western leader that is doing a good job? I can't think of any.

[steven100]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Agree with "how depressing is the state of the current leadership selections in the US .......  ", but the US isn't the only western country with such problems. Seems pretty universal to me.

Can anyone name a popular western leader that is doing a good job? I can't think of any.

Well,   Trudeau seemed to be doing a reasonable job ...  that was before the latest stabbings and aside from the truck protests .....   but I take your point,  a good and popular leader is rare these days.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, steven100 said:

Well,   Trudeau seemed to be doing a reasonable job ...  that was before the latest stabbings and aside from the truck protests .....   but I take your point,  a good and popular leader is rare these days.

The like I gave that wasn't because I agree about Trudeau doing a reasonably good job..

To expand would be off topic though.

Edited September 5, 2022 by thaibeachlovers

[simple1]

11 hours ago, nauseus said:

What are you on about "intent"?

Signalled US military decision making & timing, a matter that he had hevily critisied, unjustly,  during his run for presidency.

Edited September 5, 2022 by simple1

[simple1]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Agree with "how depressing is the state of the current leadership selections in the US .......  ", but the US isn't the only western country with such problems. Seems pretty universal to me.

Can anyone name a popular western leader that is doing a good job? I can't think of any.

Early days, but new OZ PM is on the right track.

[nauseus]

On 9/4/2022 at 10:01 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s Trump who is trying to delay Justice with his nonsense request to appoint a ‘Special Master’

 

So yes, in a sense you are correct , there is an attempt to prevent Justice..

 

 

Ah well, special master just approved. Meanwhile back at CNN the use of Marines as props is questioned. Plus they seem to have good vdo fx techs - that soft pink backlighting looks much less demonic than the dark blood red everyone else had - wonder why they did that?

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/04/politics/home-front-biden-marines-philadelphia-speech-reaction/index.html

[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Signalled US military decision making & timing, a matter that he had hevily critisied, unjustly,  during his run for presidency.

Good job - you lost me completely.

[xylophone]

On 9/5/2022 at 4:43 PM, nauseus said:

Good job - you lost me completely.

Not a difficult thing to do to a trump supporter!!!

Edited September 7, 2022 by Scott

[Fat is a type of crazy]

On 9/6/2022 at 8:06 AM, steven100 said:

how depressing is the state of the current leadership selections in the US .......  

 

Joe Biden who talks like he's got a mouth full of marbles, with constant mistakes in speeches etc ....

 

and another crook named Trump who supports Russia & China .....   jeeeeze .....   god help us !

 

source: https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-compliments-fierce-smart-putin-101715059.html

 

I take your point but sometimes I see that as inspirational. Older guy who probably should retire knows they need a good centrist candidate and puts his name forward. People laugh and say he's too old as he does poorly in early states but then wins nomination. Takes on Trump, gets it right in how to deal with him, and saves us from 4 more years. He has achieved some significant things. He is old. It shows sometimes.  Many on this site are getting on in years. Imagine being president at his age.  He deserves some serious respect. Still 2 years to go too. 

 

Edited September 7, 2022 by Fat is a type of crazy

[nauseus]

29 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

I take your point but sometimes I see that as inspirational. Older guy who probably should retire knows they need a good centrist candidate and puts his name forward. People laugh and say he's too old as he does poorly in early states but then wins nomination. Takes on Trump, gets it right in how to deal with him, and saves us from 4 more years. He has achieved some significant things. He is old. It shows sometimes.  Many on this site are getting on in years. Imagine being president at his age.  He deserves some serious respect. Still 2 years to go too. 

 

Even more people laughing after that. 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

53 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Even more people laughing after that. 

Cringe a bit sometimes. Not sure what there is to laugh at.  What are you laughing at exactly?

The President is a figure head of course. Many youthful smart people around him to get things done. I think the key point is all of us, though we may be reasonably intelligent, struggle to eloquently express ourselves sometimes. A person who is eloquent is more likely to be intelligent. But being intelligent doesn't mean you are necessarily eloquent in the same proportion. Might mean you are a bit old, slower, but still intelligent. Still able to effectively delegate. Not many Obama's or Clinton's around but he can be judged on what he achieves which I think is pretty impressive and you no doubt don't.

[metisdead]

A troll post and a reply has been removed.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Cringe a bit sometimes. Not sure what there is to laugh at.  What are you laughing at exactly?

The President is a figure head of course. Many youthful smart people around him to get things done. I think the key point is all of us, though we may be reasonably intelligent, struggle to eloquently express ourselves sometimes. A person who is eloquent is more likely to be intelligent. But being intelligent doesn't mean you are necessarily eloquent in the same proportion. Might mean you are a bit old, slower, but still intelligent. Still able to effectively delegate. Not many Obama's or Clinton's around but he can be judged on what he achieves which I think is pretty impressive and you no doubt don't.

I found your hero-worship amusing is all.

 

No, I am not impressed with your man and it seems that the majority of Americans aren't either.

[EVENKEEL]

Few days ago biden said you can't fight the government with guns, you'd need an F-15. And yet supposedly our democracy was attacked with sticks. C'mon man.

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On 9/6/2022 at 5:10 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

I'd give a "like" to

Do you think the MAGA crowd actually believe trump is speaking the truth - if so they would truly have to be stupid. Perhaps it's just expressing support for trump's anti government / anti institution ideology

 

but not the rest.

For those that have forgotten, he was elected as a protest against Washington DC political class. Had someone other than her been the Democrat candidate, likely they would have won eg Bernie.

Sanders is a self-confessed socialist. The Republicans would have been all over him for that. He wouldn't have stood a chance. The issue of Bernie is repeatedly raised by some who claim that they would have voted for or supported Sanders instead of Trump had Sanders won the nomination.  Such fake Sanders supporters are practicing what is called concern trolling. It's a way of pretending that the concern troll is on the side of those whose political opinions they actually loathe.  Oddly enough, some of them actually celebrated Trump's appointed of extreme right wing justices who are anathema to everything that Sanders stands for.

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4 hours ago, nauseus said:

I found your hero-worship amusing is all.

 

No, I am not impressed with your man and it seems that the majority of Americans aren't either.

He's doing better with the American people than Trump was after the same number of days as President. And when Trump was President the world economy was doing very well. It takes a special talent for a President to make himself so disliked in those circumstances

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/?cid=rrpromo

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

He's doing better with the American people than Trump was after the same number of days as President. And when Trump was President the world economy was doing very well. It takes a special talent for a President to make himself so disliked in those circumstances

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/?cid=rrpromo

Other polls say not. When Trump was President most western economies were driven by easy money and low inflation. President Trump was more popular than you make out.

[candide]

35 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Other polls say not. When Trump was President most western economies were driven by easy money and low inflation. President Trump was more popular than you make out.

It's not a poll, It's a aggregate (average) of all polls. 

[Karl Marx]

There is no doubt that democracy in the US is under threat from the extreme right.  Most Republicans refuse to accept the outcome of the election and have declared a clandestine war on the Democrats.  The only way democracy can survive in the US is for the DOJ to charge the extremists who continue to threaten the US, including politicians like Trump and his crime syndicate.  Playing by the rules of democracy will eventually play into the hands of the extremists who will undermine democracy to the point that it will be nothing more than a show trial, as we see in Russia.  The fascists did this in the 1930s and burned Europe to the ground.

[bendejo]

7 hours ago, placeholder said:

The issue of Bernie is repeatedly raised by some who claim that they would have voted for or supported Sanders instead of Trump had Sanders won the nomination.  Such fake Sanders supporters are practicing what is called concern trolling. It's a way of pretending that the concern troll is on the side of those whose political opinions they actually loathe. 

During the 2016 primaries Chris Matthews had Ted Cruz on his show (back when he had a show).  Most of the time Chris comes off like a fawning fanboy with the guest politicians, of any party.  But when Cruz said positive things about Bernie being a good candidate, Chris said "so is that the takeaway here, that Ted Cruz is a Bernie Sanders Republican?"  laughing the whole time.  He asked Cruz about a certain policy, Cruz said it was all laid out in his book, which he was pushing on the show, as a way of dodging the question.  "So, you're an "it's all in the book" kind of guy!"  Laughed in Cruz's face the whole time. 

 

[bendejo]

30 minutes ago, Karl Marx said:

Playing by the rules of democracy will eventually play into the hands of the extremists who will undermine democracy to the point that it will be nothing more than a show trial, as we see in Russia.

It already is to a degree.  Rules and standards of practice is for the suckers who support democracy, otherwise if it is not a written, enforceable law the GOP (even before DT) will scoff at it.  One case in point is McConnell denying a sitting president of a SCOTUS appointment -- there was no law that said he couldn't do it.  It was underhanded and possibly subversive, but that was not a bother. 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, placeholder said:

Sanders is a self-confessed socialist. The Republicans would have been all over him for that. He wouldn't have stood a chance. The issue of Bernie is repeatedly raised by some who claim that they would have voted for or supported Sanders instead of Trump had Sanders won the nomination.  Such fake Sanders supporters are practicing what is called concern trolling. It's a way of pretending that the concern troll is on the side of those whose political opinions they actually loathe.  Oddly enough, some of them actually celebrated Trump's appointed of extreme right wing justices who are anathema to everything that Sanders stands for.

Bernie was the candidate that most closely aligned to the candidate I'd have wanted. However, seems socialism is not favoured in the US, even when it's not really socialism. At least Bernie said he'd go after Wall Street ( if I remember correctly ), though that is probably why he got the boot.

Anyway, they chose the worst possible candidate instead, IMO, and Trump got in. Served them right for choosing her.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, Karl Marx said:

There is no doubt that democracy in the US is under threat from the extreme right.  Most Republicans refuse to accept the outcome of the election and have declared a clandestine war on the Democrats.  The only way democracy can survive in the US is for the DOJ to charge the extremists who continue to threaten the US, including politicians like Trump and his crime syndicate.  Playing by the rules of democracy will eventually play into the hands of the extremists who will undermine democracy to the point that it will be nothing more than a show trial, as we see in Russia.  The fascists did this in the 1930s and burned Europe to the ground.

Most????? Any stats to back that up?

Clandestine???? Doesn't seem very clandestine to me- pretty much out in the open.

Charge all those people and the justice system would implode IMO, as would take years for all the court cases.

If "democracy" is so easily undermined, it can't be a very robust system.

Anyway, I don't know of any western country other than Switzerland, that comes close to being a "real" democracy. Some have governments that were elected by a minority of voters.

Edited September 7, 2022 by thaibeachlovers

[placeholder]

6 hours ago, nauseus said:

Other polls say not. When Trump was President most western economies were driven by easy money and low inflation. President Trump was more popular than you make out.

The fivethirtyeight.com figure is an aggregate of all the polls.

 

A vanishingly small number of polls put Trump at 50% or barely above. And those that did tended to be polls that poorly predict election outcomes. You can check individual polls by following the link:

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

 

 

[Karl Marx]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Most????? Any stats to back that up?

You don't need stats when most Republican law makers support the big lie.  Those that reject the big lie are effectively removed from the party, as Liz Cheney was.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/11/politics/fact-check-republican-governor-nominees-2020-election/index.html

 

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If "democracy" is so easily undermined, it can't be a very robust system.

Democracies were never design to be efficient and clean.  They are fragile messy systems that require protection from demagogues and take overs.  Part of that protection involves having an informed, active and purposeful citizenry, which the US lacks.

Edited September 8, 2022 by Karl Marx

[SunnyinBangrak]

4 minutes ago, Karl Marx said:

You don't need stats when most Republican law makers support the big lie. 

There it is again! Last time I asked a user of the trendy phrase "the big lie" to explain why they use it, they could not do so. Maybe you can do better. Please explain what you mean by "the big lie" and why when the democrat elite such as Biden(1), Hillary(2) and current white house spokesperson Karine Jean-Pierre(3) said that the winner of the 2016 election Trump was illegtimate it was not a "big lie". Why can the left refuse to accept the result of an election and it's all good and well, but when a Republican does exactly the same it is called the "big lie"?

 

Supporting evidence the leftist elites denied the legitimacy of the 2016 election.

1.https://www.insider.com/joe-biden-says-he-agrees-trump-is-illegitimate-president-2019-5

 

2.https://abcnews.go.com/video/embed?id=66010832

 

3.https://nypost.com/2022/09/06/wh-spox-says-her-denial-of-2016-election-results-not-like-extreme-trump-in-2020/

 

Any honest person will conclude there is no difference at all between what Republicans have said and what leading democrats said, which makes the phrase "the big lie" highly misleading and particularly dishonest.

 

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3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Bernie was the candidate that most closely aligned to the candidate I'd have wanted. However, seems socialism is not favoured in the US, even when it's not really socialism. At least Bernie said he'd go after Wall Street ( if I remember correctly ), though that is probably why he got the boot.

Anyway, they chose the worst possible candidate instead, IMO, and Trump got in. Served them right for choosing her.

A candidate whose positions are diametrically opposed to virtually all those of Trump's? It is to laugh.

[placeholder]

25 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

There it is again! Last time I asked a user of the trendy phrase "the big lie" to explain why they use it, they could not do so. Maybe you can do better. Please explain what you mean by "the big lie" and why when the democrat elite such as Biden(1), Hillary(2) and current white house spokesperson Karine Jean-Pierre(3) said that the winner of the 2016 election Trump was illegtimate it was not a "big lie". Why can the left refuse to accept the result of an election and it's all good and well, but when a Republican does exactly the same it is called the "big lie"?

 

Supporting evidence the leftist elites denied the legitimacy of the 2016 election.

1.https://www.insider.com/joe-biden-says-he-agrees-trump-is-illegitimate-president-2019-5

 

2.https://abcnews.go.com/video/embed?id=66010832

 

3.https://nypost.com/2022/09/06/wh-spox-says-her-denial-of-2016-election-results-not-like-extreme-trump-in-2020/

 

Any honest person will conclude there is no difference at all between what Republicans have said and what leading democrats said, which makes the phrase "the big lie" highly misleading and particularly dishonest.

 

A few 

 

25 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

There it is again! Last time I asked a user of the trendy phrase "the big lie" to explain why they use it, they could not do so. Maybe you can do better. Please explain what you mean by "the big lie" and why when the democrat elite such as Biden(1), Hillary(2) and current white house spokesperson Karine Jean-Pierre(3) said that the winner of the 2016 election Trump was illegtimate it was not a "big lie". Why can the left refuse to accept the result of an election and it's all good and well, but when a Republican does exactly the same it is called the "big lie"?

 

Supporting evidence the leftist elites denied the legitimacy of the 2016 election.

1.https://www.insider.com/joe-biden-says-he-agrees-trump-is-illegitimate-president-2019-5

 

2.https://abcnews.go.com/video/embed?id=66010832

 

3.https://nypost.com/2022/09/06/wh-spox-says-her-denial-of-2016-election-results-not-like-extreme-trump-in-2020/

 

Any honest person will conclude there is no difference at all between what Republicans have said and what leading democrats said, which makes the phrase "the big lie" highly misleading and particularly dishonest.

 

ANy honest person would see through your ploy here. A few comments from Democrats as opposed to a flood from Republicans. And not just comments but actual steps taken to overthrow the election results including creating false electors and illegally accessing voting machines.  A majority of Republican House members voted against confirming the 2020 Presidental vote. As did 8 Senators. That total would have been even greater but for the the events of Jan 6. You've got virtually nothing.

Edited September 8, 2022 by placeholder