Pattaya: "I'm not sick and it's my right not to wear a mask" - Thai man makes a video stand at market

[robbioff]

10 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Sure thing, Canuck.

Never mind that there is very strong scientific evidence by now that massive mask wearing is very effective in reducing the spread of the deadly virus. 

Please provide link to this “strong scientific evidence”.

[ThailandRyan]

1 minute ago, Susco said:

 

Guy's definitely in the wrong thread. The title says Pattaya: "I'm not sick

Yes, it seems that he can not pay attention to rules and the thread itself.  Finds a new way to return and be a PITA

[Stevemercer]

Good on him! My hero!

 

[PumpkinEater]

99.9% chance of NOT dying if you catch this!

Good enough for me NOT to wear a mask and get on with life.

As a sheep in a foreign land, I am waiting for the all mighty Government “order” to allow me to be free of the mask.

I think that it may come in two years....so sad that we are convinced of fear.

BTW lets stop the burning in Asia, kills more indirectly than This flu ever will...mostly children.

Where are the Government’s in that matter?

[n00dle]

11 hours ago, YetAnother said:

it is hard trying to think like a thai

How are these conditions any different in say the us where videos loke this crop up daily?

 

Or the uk for that matter?

[Expat Tom]

The man must certainly be mistaken. This is Thailand and he has the "right" to do exactly as he is told to do....period.

[Neeranam]

George Orwell will be turning in his grave. The whole world has become more Dystopian than 1984.

[Neeranam]

it's obvious here that many have not read the Thai Constitution. 

 

[Skallywag]

10 hours ago, Canuck1966 said:

Any evidence would be based on fresh masks all the time, putting it on correctly, taking it off correctly

Not filthy old masks worn day after day

Taking them on and off with dirty hands

 

There are protocols in hospitals, that's why they work in that environment (sometimes!)

 

How did 100+ doctors die in Italy if they are so effective??

Masks inhibit the spread of YOUR saliva coming out when speaking, coughing, and sneezing.  Dirt and sweaty masks still reduce spread.  Masks are a courtesy to others, but also yourself IMO.  A/C enclosed spaces likely not safe as air is recirculated.  Those in constant contact, e.g. hospital workers, it is dire for them.  Ideally they would all be in self contained breathing apparatus'.  Italy's doctors should have all been on antiviral drugs and hydroxychloroquine ????????

[lensta]

21 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

it's obvious here that many have not read the Thai Constitution. 

 

Well, I am shocked. I thought it would be the bed time story for all ages

[Skallywag]

36 minutes ago, PumpkinEater said:

99.9% chance of NOT dying if you catch this!

Good enough for me NOT to wear a mask and get on with life.

....

"99.9% chance of NOT dying if you catch this!"   

You could be the "spreader" instead of the "catcher".

[ThaiFelix]

2 hours ago, EvetsKram said:

Governor in Kalasin has made an order,  now a crime there to not wear a mask,  got a spare 20k? Around here in korat there is now so much complacency,  I see a real minority wearing them

I am in Kalasin province and the village head has been advising people daily on the public speaker re wearing masks and the fine for not.  But he also says the same about helmets on motor bikes,  and of course there is the die hard crowd who come up with all sorts of lame excuses for not wearing either lol.

[Skallywag]

24 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

it's obvious here that many have not read the Thai Constitution. 

 

It became obsolete 6 years ago ????????

[Paiman]

7 hours ago, sahibji said:

there is no shortage of idiots world wide.a person of this kind who does not conform to the rules of the land should be blacklisted and deported from thailand. he is a hazard to the welfare of the country.

Where would you deport him too??  Most likely he is a Thai. Or send them all to Nigeria? ????

[n00dle]

33 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

it's obvious here that many have not read the Thai Constitution. 

 

Its actually quite difficult to stay current with. 

 

Which of the versions released in the last 20 years are you referring to?

[GAZZPA]

11 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Sure thing, Canuck.

Never mind that there is very strong scientific evidence by now that massive mask wearing is very effective in reducing the spread of the deadly virus. 

where is that? The cheap surgical, disposable masks being used are pretty useless in preventing the spread of a virus. I have seen that scientific evidence. If you really want to protect yourself and others you would need to wear a mask that was designed to block a virus. It would need to be fully sealed around your mouth, nose and eyes with appropriate filtration. The porous disposable ones do little according to what I have read.. However, I am very open minded on this, if you can send something to prove otherwise I will read it. 

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, GAZZPA said:

where is that? The cheap surgical, disposable masks being used are pretty useless in preventing the spread of a virus. I have seen that scientific evidence. If you really want to protect yourself and others you would need to wear a mask that was designed to block a virus. It would need to be fully sealed around your mouth, nose and eyes with appropriate filtration. The porous disposable ones do little according to what I have read.. However, I am very open minded on this, if you can send something to prove otherwise I will read it. 

Here's a good starter, easy read but also contains links to scientific studies 

 

The Real Reason to Wear a Mask https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/dont-wear-mask-yourself/610336/

 

Here's another, a full study on cloth masks

 

Cloth Masks May Prevent Transmission of COVID-19: An Evidence-Based, Risk-Based Approach https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-2567

[MikeN]

4 hours ago, Logosone said:

I'm not confused at all. If you read the paper itself rather than CNN you'll see it's 43% that are asymptomatic:

 

Notably, 43% of the participants who tested positive reported having no symptoms, although symptoms almost certainly developed later in some of them. 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2006100

 

Indeed Iceland is a small country, that is why they can test their whole population, which is their plan.

 

From their work so far we see that 0.8 per cent of the population has the virus.

 

So 43% or 50% of 0.8 % of the population is still an exceedingly tiny number.

 

They have 1800 confirmed cases out of 58000 tests, which is just over 3%. To claim only 0.8% of the population has the virus you are assuming that nobody else is infected, which is patently ridiculous.

[yuyiinthesky]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

Do some of you also argue with police that the law is stupid and you wont abide by it?

Yes, sure, when the law is indeed stupid, and astonishingly often the policeman eventually agrees and lets me go. 
(Disclaimer: I wear seatbelts, helmets, don‘t play with my phone while driving and don‘t drive drunk, so the above is only happening for the stupid laws.)

[Logosone]

4 hours ago, ThaiFelix said:

Since 99.8% of people do not have the virus?  Can I have a source for that please?  98% of what population?  Thailand, the world?  Was I sleeping when they tested everybody?  I dont know anybody that has been tested anywhere? How can they (who?) come up with such a figure.  But then you later state 92% dont have it.

 

Irregardless I look at it this way.  I dont trust this government nor do I trust many others.  We dont know anything much at all about this virus and the news seems to be changing all the time like your stats.  So I am left to trust my own instincts which tells me the more we keep away from others the better....very simple logic.

 

Now we cant stay totally isolated permanently, supplies need to be sought.  We go out shopping once a week.  Logic tells me that it has to be safer for others and ourselves to wear a mask.  Its no big deal to wear one so why not.  But the mask is also a symbol.  It is telling others that I care and it is also a reminder to myself to not put my hands near my face and to be careful what I touch.

 

In addition we need to remember we are the minority here and we stand out.  Locals notice things and they talk, especially if youre not wearing a mask or socialising.  In my area it is the farang who are getting the blame for this virus, not the Chinese.  The more of us that follow the local laws and dont snub our noses at them the better for each and every one of us.  Life is becoming more and more difficult for expats already, some of us even say that Thais dont want us here anymore. Set a good example I say and dont supply them any fuel.  And at the meagre cost of just wearing a mask when you are out.....come on.

 

Back to the health side, as I say we dont know enough about this virus and dont know who to believe.  If you glean thru all the info the common thread points to isolation, social distancing, and wearing masks.  For myself and my wife we enjoy staying at home.  We enjoy our own and each others company so isolation is no problem for us.  Social distancing and wearing a mask for a couple of hours each week is such a minuscule cost to put our own minds to rest that we feel safer during this unknown period but more so that we are not risking the health of others.

 

From my observations and discussions it is the ignorant, the vain, the selfish and the mentally troubled who wont follow the rules.  Vanity prevents a lot, especially Thais, from wearing masks....just as it also applies to helmets on bikes.  Ignorance and selfishness has people saying "Oh I'm young and strong so I wont catch it".  And the mentally disturbed cant stand their own company so will not obey quarantines, curfews, social distancing etc because they constantly need other peoples company and attention (Look at me, look at me no mask!!).  The old saying "boring people always complain of being bored" is so true.

 

But to get ANGRY with someone because they wont go partying together when it COULD POSSIBLY put their health and others at risk and break all the new laws being spouted out every day and especially when we are being noticed as the minority.  I have even offered to have get togethers via video call but no, still angry......no that's just plain selfishness.  Some friends you dont need.

Yes, of course you can.

 

Scientists in Iceland are on a project of testing their entire population. So they're not just testing those who are already sick, those who have travelled, ie those who are at risk, they have also tested Joe Public.

 

They found that of the non-targeted, ie not sick, not travelled, ie the general public, a grand total of 0.8 % actually tested positive for the virus.

 

Of those tested in the general population 0.8% in the open-invitation screening and 0.6% in the random-population screening tested positive for the virus. 

 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2006100

 

This implies that 99.2% of the population at large do not have the virus. So 99% of people do not have the virus, are not asymptomatic and are not symptomatic. There is no risk to catch the virus from 99% of the people.

 

Thus, when you wear a mask you do so on the off chance that you meet one of the 0.8% of the population who have the virus and you assume they are still contagious (remember people can be positive but not contagious) and you have the bad luck to walk into a cloud of their droplets. What do you think are the chances of that happening?

 

Yes, your instincts tell you you can't trust anybody, but you see that is the problem, it's your instincts that are wrong. Yes, the more you isolate yourself the better, is what your instincts tell you, but in actual fact if you isolate yourself from the healthy you are achieving exactly ZERO. And remember, 99% of people do not have the virus. So your fear is completely overblown and irrational.

 

If the mask is a symbol of anything, it is a symbol of fear and of gigantic stupidity. And also a symbol of being poorly informed.

 

Yes, I know the Farang are getting the blame for this and not the Chinese. So you decide to pander to the stupidity? What do I care what stupid people talk about behind my back? I could not care less what they talk about. How is getting life for expats more difficult? I could not possibly imagine an easier life than this one, an expat in Thailand.

 

See, I have no problem with you wearing your mask. If you want to wear a mask, go ahead. Your call. The problem comes when people like you, who are very, very poorly informed, and trust nobody, start to make rules for major supermarkets, and force the 99% of people who are healthy to wear a mask. In complete disregard of the utility of such a demand. So your ill-informed and false, paranoid views, actually have an effect on my liberty and my life. That's the problem.

 

You say it's the ignorant who won't follow rules. The exact opposite is the case, you're the ignorant one, you are unaware that 99% of people don't have the virus, and that your wearing of a mask is completely useless, as is isolating yourself from healthy people. Was Rosa Parks ignorant when she didn't follow rules, or were the racists ignorant who followed the rules. Following rules, I'm afraid is not a sign of intelligence, often it is the exact opposite.

 

I can totally understand your friends being angry with you after you socially shunned them for no acceptable reason. I would equally tell you to never call me again if you treated me in this way. What did you expect, you tell your friends they can not be in your company because you're afraid they might give you a virus and you think they won't get annoyed with you? Of course they would. Bear in mind they are most likely one of the 99% of healthy people. Their attitude is very understandable. It is your attitude that is unacceptable.

 

Edited May 26, 2020 by Logosone

[Skallywag]

26 minutes ago, MikeN said:

They have 1800 confirmed cases out of 58000 tests, which is just over 3%. To claim only 0.8% of the population has the virus you are assuming that nobody else is infected, which is patently ridiculous.

You see a bowl 100 skittles and only 1 would kill you, would you still take one?????

Edited May 26, 2020 by Skallywag

[Neeranam]

3 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

You see a bowl 100 skittles and only 1 would kill you, would you still take one? ????

Not accurate.

 

If I saw a bowl of skittles, I assume it a sweet, and knew one might make me unwell with a cough, I might risk it.

[Skallywag]

4 minutes ago, Logosone said:

It is your attitude that is unacceptable.

Don't hate or be selfish and unhumanitarian.  Be kind and selfless with others, it cannot hurt and only helps society feel safer, whether they are cerebral or unknowing ✌️???????? wear it proudly

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Yes, of course you can.

 

Scientists in Iceland are on a project of testing their entire population. So they're not just testing those who are already sick, those who have travelled, ie those who are at risk, they have also tested Joe Public.

 

Why do you keep repeating this when its not true? They are not testing the whole population.

 

This study is now complete, they invited a set number of people for target testing and a set number of people from the public, finished. In total 6% of the population

 

RESULTS
As of April 4, a total of 1221 of 9199 persons (13.3%) who were recruited for targeted testing had positive results for infection with SARS-CoV-2. Of those tested in the general population, 87 (0.8%) in the open-invitation screening and 13 (0.6%) in the random-population screening tested positive for the virus. In total, 6% of the population was screened.

 

 

[hotandsticky]

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Not accurate.

 

If I saw a bowl of skittles, I assume it a sweet, and knew one might make me unwell with a cough, I might risk it.

 

 

Chancer!

 

 

You wouldn't know that it would only give you a cough................. your symptoms could be a lot worse and as you are probably in a high risk group that makes you an even bigger chancer.

[Neeranam]

2 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Chancer!

 

 

You wouldn't know that it would only give you a cough................. your symptoms could be a lot worse and as you are probably in a high risk group that makes you an even bigger chancer.

Why am I probably in the high risk group?

 

The chances of me catching Covid are very small and if I did catch it, the chances of me dying are extremely small. 

[Skallywag]

Just now, Neeranam said:

Why am I probably in the high risk group?

 

The chances of me catching Covid are very small and if I did catch it, the chances of me dying are extremely small. 

I am in the high risk group????.  Happy that you are not  

But we all live in the same world and need to protect each other???? 

[Neeranam]

56 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

It became obsolete 6 years ago ????????

Which one?

[jak2002003]

23 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Yes, of course you can.

 

Scientists in Iceland are on a project of testing their entire population. So they're not just testing those who are already sick, those who have travelled, ie those who are at risk, they have also tested Joe Public.

 

They found that of the non-targeted, ie not sick, not travelled, ie the general public, a grand total of 0.8 % actually tested positive for the virus.

 

Of those tested in the general population 0.8% in the open-invitation screening and 0.6% in the random-population screening tested positive for the virus. 

 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2006100

 

This implies that 99.2% of the population at large do not have the virus. So 99% of people do not have the virus, are not asymptomatic and are not symptomatic. There is no risk to catch the virus from 99% of the people.

 

Thus, when you wear a mask you do so on the off chance that you meet one of the 0.8% of the population who have the virus and you assume they are still contagious (remember people can be positive but not contagious) and you have the bad luck to walk into a cloud of their droplets. What do you think are the chances of that happening?

 

Yes, your instincts tell you you can't trust anybody, but you see that is the problem, it's your instincts that are wrong. Yes, the more you isolate yourself the better, is what your instincts tell you, but in actual fact if you isolate yourself from the healthy you are achieving exactly ZERO. And remember, 99% of people do not have the virus. So your fear is completely overblown and irrational.

 

If the mask is a symbol of anything, it is a symbol of fear and of gigantic stupidity. And also a symbol of being poorly informed.

 

Yes, I know the Farang are getting the blame for this and not the Chinese. So you decide to pander to the stupidity? What do I care what stupid people talk about behind my back? I could not care less what they talk about. How is getting life for expats more difficult? I could not possibly imagine an easier life than this one, an expat in Thailand.

 

See, I have no problem with you wearing your mask. If you want to wear a mask, go ahead. Your call. The problem comes when people like you, who are very, very poorly informed, and trust nobody, start to make rules for major supermarkets, and force the 99% of people who are healthy to wear a mask. In complete disregard of the utility of such a demand. So your ill-informed and false, paranoid views, actually have an effect on my liberty and my life. That's the problem.

 

You say it's the ignorant who won't follow rules. The exact opposite is the case, you're the ignorant one, you are unaware that 99% of people don't have the virus, and that your wearing of a mask is completely useless, as is isolating yourself from healthy people. Was Rosa Parks ignorant when she didn't follow rules, or were the racists ignorant who followed the rules. Following rules, I'm afraid is not a sign of intelligence, often it is the exact opposite.

 

I can totally understand your friends being angry with you after you socially shunned them for no acceptable reason. I would equally tell you to never call me again if you treated me in this way. What did you expect, you tell your friends they can not be in your company because you're afraid they might give you a virus and you think they won't get annoyed with you? Of course they would. Bear in mind they are most likely one of the 99% of healthy people. Their attitude is very understandable. It is your attitude that is unacceptable.

 

Brilliant post. Could not have said it better myself. Good to know there are still some rational thinking people about, when the world seems to have gone mad. 

[MikeN]

12 minutes ago, Skallywag said:

You see a bowl 100 skittles and only 1 would kill you, would you still take one?????

It was 3%, not 1% ! But look at it this way .....You get on the BTS with 100 other passengers, 3 of them (on average) will be infected and could infect you. Then you go into a market with 100 people around you, 3 of them will be infected and could infect you.  Then into Big C with another 100 people and another 3 infected people. And then back on the BTS....yes, another 100 people and another 3 carriers. That's 12 people you have come close to and could potentially infect you.

And then repeat again next day. How are the odds now ? or the next day ?