No vaccine, no entry – the next challenge of Covid-19

[Tech65]

4 minutes ago, polpott said:

I've already explained the under 55 data. "Signs deal" doesn't mean that people are being injected with it. Each country will have to assess the data and approve the vaccine. The data isn't yet available.

You don't seem to understand.

The numbers, up to now, after say 6 months of developments and tests and many problems and one volunteer dead, aren't promising. It is clear.

There are countries that will start vaccination early next year. What is going to change in one month?  You tell me.

Let's say the sad truth. To make this vaccine safe, using this new technology, it seems to be necessary much more time, as many scientists said already. In the mean time, there now bunch of therapeutics that nobody want to use bust SHOULD BE used in large scale....

 

[GroveHillWanderer]

15 minutes ago, Tech65 said:

AZ is selling already this vaccine.

Thailand signs deal with AstraZeneca for Covid vaccine – Malaysia Today (malaysia-today.net)

 

Actually it's not selling it. It's licensing in to other countries so they can manufacture it for themselves. 

 

They have also committed to making it available at cost (which is expected to be around $3 per dose) and will not be making a profit on it.

[Tech65]

1 minute ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Actually it's not selling it. It's licensing in to other countries so they can manufacture it for themselves. 

 

They have also committed to making it available at cost (which is expected to be around $3 per dose) and will not be making a profit on it.

I have  no problem if they shall make money when they will delivery a great vaccine, safe and effective. Selling for free does not make me changing idea.

The problem is different than money. Are those vaccines tested well enough?

[polpott]

8 minutes ago, Tech65 said:

You don't seem to understand.

The numbers, up to now, after say 6 months of developments and tests and many problems and one volunteer dead, aren't promising. It is clear.

There are countries that will start vaccination early next year. What is going to change in one month?  You tell me.

Let's say the sad truth. To make this vaccine safe, using this new technology, it seems to be necessary much more time, as many scientists said already. In the mean time, there now bunch of therapeutics that nobody want to use bust SHOULD BE used in large scale....

 

I don't seem to understand? You clearly don't understand. Read my post on the approval method used on the AZ vaccine. No shortcuts, not rushed, its being done by the book.

 

One volunteer died and it was quickly established that the death was completely unrelated to the Covid vaccine.

 

What's going to change in one month? The full data from the AZ vaccine trials will be published, peer reviewed and approved by the appropriate government body.

Edited November 29, 2020 by polpott

[GroveHillWanderer]

3 minutes ago, Tech65 said:

I have  no problem if they shall make money when they will delivery a great vaccine, safe and effective. Selling for free does not make me changing idea.

The problem is different than money. Are those vaccines tested well enough?

Well, that's what the different regulatory bodies in the various jurisdictions are there to decide (FDA in the US, MHRA in the UK, etc).

 

They will be looking hard at the actual data analyses done by the independent Data Safety Monitoring Boards for each vaccine and only when they are convinced that the data shows the vaccines to be both safe and effective, will they license them for use.

[Patjqm]

2 hours ago, polpott said:

It sounds just as effective as the other front runners. When administered as a half dose followed by a full dose its 90+% effective. Thailand and UK have opted for AZ vaccine. More doses of AZ vaccine have already been manufactured than any other and, being less sensitive to storage temperature, makes it ideal for distribution in 3rd world countries. AZ are also distributing it at cost ie $3 per dose. Phizer will cost $19.50 per dose and Moderna want to make a real killing selling their vaccine at $25-$37 per dose. Bear in mind that the US vaccines require 2 doses and the UK vaccine 1 1/2 doses.

 

https://www.biospace.com/article/comparing-covid-19-vaccines-pfizer-biontech-moderna-astrazeneca-oxford-j-and-j-russia-s-sputnik-v/

 

 

BUT...on young and healthy people( who do not die from natural infection....) also figures based on very very low cases ( 9 to 30 people depending the brand...) and nobody did test on.the immunity.....guess they do not want to know that...or they know already..

[polpott]

4 minutes ago, Patjqm said:

BUT...on young and healthy people( who do not die from natural infection....) also figures based on very very low cases ( 9 to 30 people depending the brand...) and nobody did test on.the immunity.....guess they do not want to know that...or they know already..

30,000 people were vaccinated in the AZ trial. The trials were specifically run in countries known to have a high infection rate. How do you know that they didn't test immunity? The trial data hasn't been released yet. Reports leaked on the AZ vaccine suggest that immunity lasts at least 1 year. The number of people immune, 90+%.

[Salerno]

On 11/27/2020 at 5:55 PM, TheFreqFlyer said:

However, Thailand will not, and can not, impose a unilateral vaccine mandate on it's own volition. It's international bodies such as the WHO that set the policy.

 

Since when did countries cede sovereignty to the WHO? If a country wants to instigate restrictions at it's own borders they can and have regardless of what the WHO say. 

[watgate]

If push comes to shove I will get the vaccine but will wait awhile to see if there are any unknown side effects which might appear over time. I am concerned because I was reading where there is a possibility that the anti-bodies that are created by the vaccine inside you could weaken or be reduced considerably in a few months which would necessitate having to go back for frequent booster shots to build back up the anti-bodies in you to fight off the vaccine. I am not to thrilled with that scenario. Also, what if the covid-19 virus mutates which viruses are known to do. Would one have to go back and get another 2 new shots to combat the mutated new strain of the virus?  This whole ordeal has me concerned and it sure doesn't  look like there is going to be any one solution fits all. i hope I am wrong.

[metisdead]

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[EricTh]

All these vaccines, health insurance, covid tests, quarantine don't mean anything if people can just sneak through the land borders like in that Chiang Mai lady case.

[metisdead]

Some more off topic conspiracy posts have been removed. 

[sweetserenity]

Yeah if it works... but we dont know whether its going to work or not... 95% efficacy is what it is currently, but what about in 1 to 2 years or 10 years??

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[elgenon]

21 hours ago, polpott said:

It sounds just as effective as the other front runners. When administered as a half dose followed by a full dose its 90+% effective. Thailand and UK have opted for AZ vaccine. More doses of AZ vaccine have already been manufactured than any other and, being less sensitive to storage temperature, makes it ideal for distribution in 3rd world countries. AZ are also distributing it at cost ie $3 per dose. Phizer will cost $19.50 per dose and Moderna want to make a real killing selling their vaccine at $25-$37 per dose. Bear in mind that the US vaccines require 2 doses and the UK vaccine 1 1/2 doses.

 

https://www.biospace.com/article/comparing-covid-19-vaccines-pfizer-biontech-moderna-astrazeneca-oxford-j-and-j-russia-s-sputnik-v/

 

 

I've read effectiveness depends on regimen

[polpott]

1 minute ago, elgenon said:

I've read effectiveness depends on regimen

Yes. Most effective is half dose followed by full dose. 90%+ effective. Will be the standard dosage when rolled out (probably).

[Neeranam]

I am going to the UK early next year. When I return, surely they can't make me take the vaccine. As a Thai citizen, surely this would be against my Constitutional rights. 

[polpott]

1 minute ago, Neeranam said:

I am going to the UK early next year. When I return, surely they can't make me take the vaccine. As a Thai citizen, surely this would be against my Constitutional rights. 

They could say no vaccine no return, just as with quarantine now.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

I am going to the UK early next year. When I return, surely they can't make me take the vaccine. As a Thai citizen, surely this would be against my Constitutional rights. 

It will probably be the airline. Qantas has already said jab before boarding.

[VBF]

Of course Covid is real - it's a virus, proven to be:

• Negligibly important in some people (no symptoms, never knew they had it)
• Mildly unpleasant in some people (symptoms, sick for a while, recover quickly)
• Dangerous in some people - "Long Covid" still being researched and discussed but definitely real 
• Fatal in some people  - obvious!

BUT....because different people suffer (or not) in different ways and by different amounts, and because SOME people have agendas to push and because SOME people offer "expert" opinions whilst not actually having a clue, we end up on forums like these all arguing over minutiae and information that becomes outdated almost as soon as its released.

 

All hindered by governments world-wide staggering between serious, laudable efforts to return to normality, "knee-jerk" responses, and bumbling ineptitude whilst all the while having no experience upon which to draw to save lives and economies!

 

Is it any wonder we're all becoming confused to the points of exasperation and desperation?

The answer?  Damned if i know!!!

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[Blumpie]

7 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I am going to the UK early next year. When I return, surely they can't make me take the vaccine. As a Thai citizen, surely this would be against my Constitutional rights. 

If you're a thai citizen why are you asking a bunch of cranky old expats instead of the government?

Constitutional rights?  Oh whatever.  Take it up with Thailand.  

[habanero]

I didn't realize Thailand was working on a vaccine. ????

[mike787]

22 hours ago, DavisH said:

Have fun getting your visa extended then 555. I can guarantee this will be a requirement, especially for work permit renewals.

Until it does, you can have my dose, besides cash is king I can circumvent anything, this is Thailand people can buy what they want from a visa to happy endings...good luck to you. 

Edited November 30, 2020 by mike787

[Virt]

21 hours ago, sweetserenity said:

Yeah if it works... but we dont know whether its going to work or not... 95% efficacy is what it is currently, but what about in 1 to 2 years or 10 years??

 

I don't think Covid19 will go away after the vaccines hit the street, and I think it will end up like the flu, where risk groups and elderly are recommended a shot each year or in years where it peaks , and then the rest can buy it if they want that extra protection. 

 

Only time will tell. 

[DLock]

3 hours ago, mike787 said:

Until it does, you can have my dose, besides cash is king I can circumvent anything, this is Thailand people can buy what they want from a visa to happy endings...good luck to you. 

 

Paying for a rub and tug is probably a bit easier than getting your airline of choice to break it's vaccine rules for a few dollars just for you...

 

...but you keep telling yourself that.

[GeKoSc]

On 11/24/2020 at 9:36 AM, MadMuhammad said:

It’s looking likely that airlines may demand proof of vaccination. Qantas has already stated such 

 

https://www.ft.com/content/8a59043d-df0d-45c1-b870-2780f06c5d1e

 

At a time when businesses are collapsing, currencies are in jeopardy, and consumers are trying to survive, the airline can't sustain this requirement for long ...

 

[tgw]

32 minutes ago, GeKoSc said:

At a time when businesses are collapsing, currencies are in jeopardy, and consumers are trying to survive, the airline can't sustain this requirement for long ...

 

apart from airline employees and shareholders, nobody might care...

[metisdead]

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[TheFreqFlyer]

On 11/29/2020 at 6:07 PM, Salerno said:

 

Since when did countries cede sovereignty to the WHO? If a country wants to instigate restrictions at it's own borders they can and have regardless of what the WHO say. 

Nonsense. All countries have ceded this sovereignty even if not publicly declared. All countries follow WHO advice to one extent or another. Those very few that didn't (Sweden, Belarus and Nicaragua) have been heavily criticized for not doing so and are under constant pressure to conform. However, even they have of late, imposed some restrictions.

 

Thailand is well known for following WHO advice.

 

Most countries ceded parts of their sovereignty when they joined the UN. 

[onthedarkside]

More off-topic and trolling posts, along with replies, in this vaccine-related thread have been removed. Along with posts putting forward dubious medical claims.

 

[polpott]

3 hours ago, TheFreqFlyer said:

Nonsense. All countries have ceded this sovereignty even if not publicly declared. All countries follow WHO advice to one extent or another. Those very few that didn't (Sweden, Belarus and Nicaragua) have been heavily criticized for not doing so and are under constant pressure to conform. However, even they have of late, imposed some restrictions.

 

Thailand is well known for following WHO advice.

 

Most countries ceded parts of their sovereignty when they joined the UN. 

There's a world of difference between "taking advice" and "ceding sovereignty". The WHO have no power to force anyone to do anything. Same with UN. The UN Human Rights Council (UNHCR) has passed more condemnations of Israel than all the other states combined. Israel laughed at them all. A toothless tiger.

 

It sounds as though you get your facts from Qanon.