Government in race against time after Delta variant shown to be more severe, more transmissible

[jojothai]

5 hours ago, fondue zoo said:

There are recent studies that indicate you need your two does for effective protection against the the Delta strain.

This was being stated weeks ago.

The clowns plan to open up appears to be based on one dose. Figure the numbers.

Doing at present say 300,000 a day on average. On target?

To get 70% done is 167 days for one dose. Nearly end of year.

They need to be doing 600,000 a day. Even the uk is not matching that on average.

Edited June 15, 2021 by jojothai
Correction

[PETERTHEEATER]

6 hours ago, petermik said:

And our dear PM stated "what will be will be".......

Submarines on standby to evacuate all those that can pay...

Any idea how much the torpedo tube sleepers with guaranteed positive emergency escape will cost?........????

[jojothai]

3 hours ago, Neilly said:

 

And as to your point #3, Thailand has decided to increase the time between vaccinations...the UK is looking to drop the time to eight weeks instead of ten/twelve...I think I just read that Thailand are going to extend to sixteen weeks

The uk has already dropped to 8 weeks, about 10 days ago and there are remarks suggesting it could drop more for the over 50's.

I hope so, i am in uk waiting for second dose before returning.

[Gandtee]

The headline is good for a laugh for a start!. It will be a tortoise against the tortoise race on a track going nowhere.????

[hotchilli]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand’s government is now in a race against time to fully vaccinate its population after the Delta variant of Covid-19 is shown to be more transmissible and more deadly in a new study.

Say hi to the fourth wave.

[Cake Monster]

5 hours ago, jacko45k said:

The good news is that both vaccines being used mainly in the UK have good efficacy numbers after the 2 jabs...

The Pfizer and BioNTech SE shot is 96% effective against hospitalization after two doses, while the AstraZeneca and University of Oxford Covid inoculation is 92% effective,

Bloomberg.

Bad news, you would be lucky to get either vaccine in Thailand

And you would be incredibly lucky if you received both shots of the any Vaccine in Thailand.

And even then, you would possibly only have an 80 % Dosage, as 12 shots from a 10 shot vial, seem to be ok in order to save money.

[peleid]

7 hours ago, RobMuir said:

From the link ...

 

Unlike the United States, Thai people have embraced vaccinations wholeheartedly and have been registering throughout the country to get jabbed.

 

 

The USA has had a large % of the population resist every measure asked of the people by virologists, from mask wearing, to social distancing, to lockdowns and for vaccinations.

 

And unsurprisingly this has resulted in the highest death toll.

 

 

 

Really!! Many Thai people I speak to are reluctant/scared of getting vaccinated

[tgw]

5 minutes ago, peleid said:

Really!! Many Thai people I speak to are reluctant/scared of getting vaccinated

 

I have the same experience. but then, most of these people get their news from facebook.

[Neilly]

2 hours ago, tlcwaterfall said:

Would like to see a link. If you have one please.

 

Actually 12 if I read this right...

 

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The numbers are still small, however.

 

Out of 33,000 cases analysed by PHE and confirmed to be the Delta variant since February, 223 have been admitted to hospital - most were unvaccinated or had only had only dose, and 20 people were fully vaccinated.

 

And of 42 deaths in people with Delta variant infections, 23 were unvaccinated and seven had received only one dose. The other 12 had received two doses more than two weeks before.

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57441677

[tomazbodner]

BBC reported that the most common symptoms of Delta variant are different from those of previous variants of the virus, and loss of smell and/or taste is no longer even in top 10.

 

So I don't get a warning again, here is the link: https://www.bbc.com/news/health-57467051

And in case BBC changes the text:

 

A headache, sore throat and runny nose are now the most commonly reported symptoms linked to Covid infection in the UK, researchers say.

Prof Tim Spector, who runs the Zoe Covid Symptom study, says catching the Delta variant can feel "more like a bad cold" for younger people.

...

"Since the start of May, we have been looking at the top symptoms in the app users - and they are not the same as they were," he says.

The change appears linked to the rise in the Delta variant, first identified in India and now accounting for 90% of Covid cases in the UK.

Fever remains quite common but loss of smell no longer appears in the top 10 symptoms, Prof Spector says.

[Lemonltr]

2 hours ago, tlcwaterfall said:

Would like to see a link. If you have one please.

Read my post on page 1. About "Boris" 

[placnx]

8 hours ago, rabas said:

Relative to Wuhan:

B.1.1.1.7   UK_alpha        82% more transmissible

B.1.617.1  India_delta    115% more transmissible

P.1        Brazil_gamma 161% more transmissible

 

The percentage increase is relative to R0, which is exponential. 50% does not mean 50% more cases, it means many times more cases. These are not small numbers.

 

WIKI on SARS-2 variants

 

More severe and 2X hospitalizations does not suggest it is milder.

 

Please note that the really infectious Indian variant is B.1.617.2 

[placnx]

7 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Do they actually have a vaccine that is effective against the Indian variant?  Or might all this be for nothing?

The thinking is UK seems to be that AZ is adequate after 2 doses.

[rabas]

14 minutes ago, placnx said:

Please note that the really infectious Indian variant is B.1.617.2 

Thanks, that was a typo. The WIKI link shows the correct B.1.617.2.

 

Note, this morning Wiki showed B.1.617.2 as 115% more transmissible. It's now changed to 155%, on par with Brazil_gamma  P.1, which is 161% higher.  No wonder it is spreading so quickly.

 

Edited June 15, 2021 by rabas

[metisdead]

Posts containing unattributed content that was copy and pasted from some sites without any supporting links have been removed. 

[sqwakvfr]

I do not have direct evidence but I believe two doses of these vaccines are effective against the Delta Variant.  But I believe the timing of the 2nd dose will help or hurt the effectiveness of the vaccine:

 

1.  Pfizer 2 doses 3 weeks apart

2  Moderna 2 doses 4 weeks apart

*The two primary vaccines in the US are Pfizer and Moderna.  So far things are going great.  In New York the Foo Fighters are having a concert at the Madison Square Garden with 20,000 in attendance.  "Make my way home and learn to fly".  Wish I could be there.

 

3. Astra Zeneca 2 doses 10 weeks apart.  Thailand plans 2 doses 16 weeks apart and the Delta variant is in LOS.(???????)

 

Hopefully I will get my first Pfizer shot shortly.  I have not found  any articles about the effectiveness of the J&J one does vaccine against the Delta Variant.  

[newnative]

    That's a race they're going to lose--especially since there is absolutely no sense of urgency.  Just leisurely talk about maybe ordering some of this vaccine sometime.  Mulling whether or not to buy some of that vaccine at some point down the road.  Planning to maybe in a few months approve this or that vaccine as soon as this and that committee carefully studies all the data.  No hurry, these things take time--and maybe another committee or two or three might be just the ticket to help speed things up.  I think way, way, way off in the future there might be a shipment of vaccine expected 'sometime before the end of the year'.  Can we get a committee formed to nail that down?  

[CG1 Blue]

9 hours ago, Surelynot said:

Unless Thailand is incredibly lucky (again?) this variant will rip through the population.......just look at the UK.

 

Thanks to Bunter not suspending flights from India (still over 100 a week coming in to Heathrow) lockdown easing has been suspended and the virus has taken off even with some many people having been vaccinated.

Unfortunately the Delta variant will get everywhere, whether or not borders are closed.

Fortunately for the UK most adults there are at least partially vaccinated, so although infections have risen people are not dying (proportionately). In other words the virus is not very deadly in the UK now. 

I just hope Thailand and other countries can get to the same position asap. 

[sammieuk1]

Race to the Swiss bank account is all this mob could muster ????

[cjinchiangrai]

They decided early on to wait for the Thai AZ to keep the money in certain hands. Then they didn't bring production online on schedule and we are facing a big problem.

 

Sending the kids back to school this week is going to be very risky. Not for the kids but the grandparents. The greed could blow up in their faces big time.

 

[rott]

10 hours ago, RobMuir said:

From the link ...

 

Unlike the United States, Thai people have embraced vaccinations wholeheartedly and have been registering throughout the country to get jabbed.

 

 

The USA has had a large % of the population resist every measure asked of the people by virologists, from mask wearing, to social distancing, to lockdowns and for vaccinations.

 

And unsurprisingly this has resulted in the highest death toll.

 

 

 

Let's see if I'm getting this right, 

 

There are people who annoy RobM even more than "the English".? 

 

I think I need my cocoa. 

 

 

[itsari]

10 hours ago, RobMuir said:

From the link ...

 

Unlike the United States, Thai people have embraced vaccinations wholeheartedly and have been registering throughout the country to get jabbed.

 

 

The USA has had a large % of the population resist every measure asked of the people by virologists, from mask wearing, to social distancing, to lockdowns and for vaccinations.

 

And unsurprisingly this has resulted in the highest death toll.

 

Percentage of US citizens dying from covid is considerably less than in other countries . 

 

 

[connda]

Take a page from the UK playbook and postpone Freedom Day for another month!

"Psst.  There is no Freedom Day in Thailand.  We're locked-down and masked until further notice." 

Well, in that case never mind.
 

[MrJ2U]

And waisting time, money,etc by using Sinovav and the other Chinese garbage which isn't of any use again the Delta (Indian) variant.  

 

Astra Zeneca is only 60% effecient.  Even that despite promises is difficult to procure because of, who knows?

[MrJ2U]

11 hours ago, RobMuir said:

From the link ...

 

Unlike the United States, Thai people have embraced vaccinations wholeheartedly and have been registering throughout the country to get jabbed.

 

 

The USA has had a large % of the population resist every measure asked of the people by virologists, from mask wearing, to social distancing, to lockdowns and for vaccinations.

 

And unsurprisingly this has resulted in the highest death toll.

 

 

 

Now it's open.

 

Whats Thailands excuse?

[shdmn]

These threads are becoming unreadable with all the whining and moaning just looking for reasons to claim Thais can't do anything right.

 

Is there a forum somewhere with more adults around and more facts rather than people just looking for reasons to criticize Thailand?

Edited June 15, 2021 by shdmn

[hotelbri]

8 hours ago, wensiensheng said:

Do you deliberately not read? It says in the first paragraph that it is more transmissible AND more deadly.

UK says Delta variant of coronavirus 60% more transmissible ...

 

if you google it, you will find several articles that state that the delta strain is estimated to be 60% more transmissible than the alpha strain. It takes about 10 seconds, so stay focused.

Over 39,000 delta cases in uk 42 deaths.... thats deadly to you .

[hotelbri]

6 hours ago, Lemonltr said:

It's only been in the UK for a few weeks already. Not much time to die. Try 29% of 4.200 then. 

Thars 42 deaths out of 30,000 infections to date

[wensiensheng]

16 minutes ago, hotelbri said:

Over 39,000 delta cases in uk 42 deaths.... thats deadly to you .

Please don’t put words in my mouth. The article says it’s deadly and that is what I pointed out.

 

you can have your argument with the people who wrote the article or who carried out the studies, not me.

[wensiensheng]

1 hour ago, shdmn said:

These threads are becoming unreadable with all the whining and moaning just looking for reasons to claim Thais can't do anything right.

 

Is there a forum somewhere with more adults around and more facts rather than people just looking for reasons to criticize Thailand?

Bye, enjoy the other forum when you find it.