Million more doses of AstraZeneca delivered, 2 million more Sinovac doses due next week

[snoop1130]

 

One million more doses of AstraZeneca vaccine were delivered to Thailand’s Public Health Ministry today (Friday), which will be distributed across Thailand later today or tomorrow, according to Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul.

 

The minister reconfirmed that doses of AstraZeneca vaccine will be delivered every week, according to the ministry’s agreement with the company. He did not specify the amount in each delivery, but said it would not be less than before.

 

The first lot of 1.8 million doses of AstraZeneca vaccine, produced by Siam Bioscience, was delivered on June 4th. The second lot was delivered on Wednesday (June 16th) and is being distributed.

 

Full Story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/million-more-doses-of-astrazeneca-delivered-2-million-more-sinovac-doses-due-next-week/

 

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[Caldera]

Yay. Anyone lining the delivery route and clapping?

[Blumpie]

This is great news if you want Thailand re-opening in 2 years.

Much more vaccines needed every month.  

[Crossy]

Stop talking about it and back slapping.

 

Get the vax in arms!!!

 

[faraday]

1 hour ago, Caldera said:

Yay. Anyone lining the delivery route and clapping?

Stephen will be I expect.

 

Where is the little rascal anyway?

[wensiensheng]

It would be nice to see a government graphic showing the timeline of deliveries over the next six months transposed with anticipated vaccinations. Maybe two different colors so that it doesn’t get confusing.

 

in other words some kind of practical comprehensive projections of just where this countries Covid response is going, rather than a drip feed of tidbits now and then that are meaningless on their own.

[Scott]

An off-topic graphic removed.   This is a discussion forum.  

 

[Credo]

This seems to be the government equivalent of the check is in the mail.

[Patong2021]

It is a  positive indication that the  doses are being produced.  Yes, it is slow and inadequate, but it is a start. 

[bradiston]

There are so many unanswered questions. Or rather, so many unasked questions about Siam Bioscience, in particular. What is their production capacity for instance? What are they actually able to deliver? And who cares who owns it? It's a complete irrelevance. The government has now taken the stance that it is Astra Zaneca that is answerable, thus letting SBS totally off the hook if the contracted amountsfail to arrive. Of course, the contract details were never made public, and there were threats of section 112 writs if anyone even dared suggest failings. So all their figures are really a smokescreen.

[Spilornis]

12 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

It is a  positive indication that the  doses are being produced.  Yes, it is slow and inadequate, but it is a start. 

The Australian plant has now been putting out 1M AZ doses per week since late March. They had been preparing since about October last year. Ended up being around 2 months behind schedule.

Thailand IIRC started up in Feb/March so with the benefit of learning from the earlier mistakes of others they should be pumping out the AZ in numbers really soon.

The big AZ producer in India (Serum) has had real difficulties scaling up much past 50M a month. They had forecast 200M a month

China about to give its Billionth dose.

Slow I know but it's starting

[Blumpie]

In Indonesia fully vaccinated doctors and nurses are getting sick despite getting fully vaccinated with Sinovac.  There is real worry about its efficacy.  

[mfd101]

11 minutes ago, Blumpie said:

In Indonesia fully vaccinated doctors and nurses are getting sick despite getting fully vaccinated with Sinovac.  There is real worry about its efficacy.  

As is well known, most - maybe all - of the various vaccines do NOT guarantee you won't catch the virus. They reduce the likelihood of catching it (some better than others), and they pretty-well guarantee that you won't get it bad enough to have to go to hospital.

[Cake Monster]

14 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

It is a  positive indication that the  doses are being produced.  Yes, it is slow and inadequate, but it is a start. 

And hail the all conquering Sinovac.

Without this really expensive Vaccine that seems to be ordered on an add-hock basis to bolster other short supplies, the Country really would be in the doo doo

[Eric Loh]

12 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

And hail the all conquering Sinovac.

Without this really expensive Vaccine that seems to be ordered on an add-hock basis to bolster other short supplies, the Country really would be in the doo doo

China is now the world largest vaccine manufacturer after India decided to freeze export. 1 billion doses are expected to be produce this year from China. Sinovac and Sinopharm will be the all conquering and dominating vaccine for

many developing countries. 

[Cake Monster]

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

China is now the world largest vaccine manufacturer after India decided to freeze export. 1 billion doses are expected to be produce this year from China. Sinovac and Sinopharm will be the all conquering and dominating vaccine for

many developing countries. 

The Sino Brothers may dominate on deliveries of Vaccines, but there are now so many reports that these Vaccines are not as good as they should be, and even fully Vaccinated people are becoming re-infected.

 

[KhaoNiaw]

2 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

even fully Vaccinated people are becoming re-infected.

 

 

That's not really the point. That's also happening in places like the UK. Of more significance is whether those people are showing serious symptoms and requiring hospitalization. 

[Cake Monster]

1 minute ago, KhaoNiaw said:

 

That's not really the point. That's also happening in places like the UK. Of more significance is whether those people are showing serious symptoms and requiring hospitalization. 

It very much is the point.

What good is any Vaccine that is supposed to offer some kind of Immunity when it doesn't work ?.

The new surge in the UK is directly been attributed to the indian variant of Covid, and it seems to attack a younger demi graph of the population.

These Chinese Vaccines just do not have the ability to offer any resistance to this variant, and if used as the major vaccine, could ( repeat could ) endanger many people around the World who have been Vaccinated with these Vaccines.

 

[Spilornis]

12 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

1 billion doses are expected to be produce this year from China.

It's a lot more than that.

China has given almost one billion doses to its own citizens in the last four months alone.

My guess is that 2021 production will be closer to 3 billion

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/15/china-set-to-deliver-1bn-covid-vaccine-doses-by-end-of-this-week

[tifino]

4 minutes ago, Spilornis said:

It's a lot more than that.

China has given almost one billion doses to its own citizens in the last four months alone.

My guess is that 2021 production will be closer to 3 billion

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/jun/15/china-set-to-deliver-1bn-covid-vaccine-doses-by-end-of-this-week

 so that would be: 

 - 'Give'  the 1000 Million doses of SinoPharm to their own minions...

 - and 'Sell' All the Sinovac to foreign nations...     ???? 

[KhaoNiaw]

 

2 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

It very much is the point.

What good is any Vaccine that is supposed to offer some kind of Immunity when it doesn't work ?.

The new surge in the UK is directly been attributed to the indian variant of Covid, and it seems to attack a younger demi graph of the population.

These Chinese Vaccines just do not have the ability to offer any resistance to this variant, and if used as the major vaccine, could ( repeat could ) endanger many people around the World who have been Vaccinated with these Vaccines.

 

 

But these vaccines are not intended to prevent infection. Their purpose is to prevent serious illness and as long as they do that they work. One of the reason for the younger demographic is because more older people have received 2 doses. This seems to be similar to what's happening in Chile where Sinovac has been the main vaccine. We know that the efficacy of the Chinese vaccines is lower but that doesn't mean they're useless. Even in the UK up to 14 June about 10% of hospitalizations were people who'd received 2 vaccine doses, though there's no information about underlying conditions etc. yet.

[bangon04]

22 hours ago, Caldera said:

Yay. Anyone lining the delivery route and clapping?

There will be police motorcycle outriders, and all side roads along the route will be closed while the truck passes, regardless of the traffic jams this might cause.....

[LongTimeLurker]

4 hours ago, Cake Monster said:

What good is any Vaccine that is supposed to offer some kind of Immunity when it doesn't work ?.

 

'Flu vaccines don't always work yet people still take them, and die of 'flu.

[Tony125]

1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said:

 

'Flu vaccines don't always work yet people still take them, and die of 'flu.

What we know about efficacy of Sinopharm, SinoVac vaccines

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/what-we-know-about-efficacy-of-sinopharm-sinovac-vaccines/ar-AAL6uHN?li=BBnb7Kz

[herfiehandbag]

22 hours ago, wensiensheng said:

It would be nice to see a government graphic showing the timeline of deliveries over the next six months transposed with anticipated vaccinations. Maybe two different colors so that it doesn’t get confusing.

 

in other words some kind of practical comprehensive projections of just where this countries Covid response is going, rather than a drip feed of tidbits now and then that are meaningless on their own.

That would require an honest and transparent appraisal of the situation...

[edwardandtubs]

10 hours ago, mfd101 said:

As is well known, most - maybe all - of the various vaccines do NOT guarantee you won't catch the virus. They reduce the likelihood of catching it (some better than others), and they pretty-well guarantee that you won't get it bad enough to have to go to hospital.

Unfortunately, the Indonesian medical staff who have been fully vaccinated with Sinovac are being hospitalised. It just doesn't seem to work very well against the Delta variant, which is a worry because this variant will soon be dominant in Thailand. The good news is AstraZeneca is very effective against it, particularly after the second dose.

 

[mtls2005]

Some jockeying for vaccinations...

 

Interior minister sec-gec Chatchai Promlert on Sunday said the urgent letter ordering provincial governors to allocate vaccines to employees and families of ThaiBev, the maker of Chang beer, was only meant to “survey the demands” and no allocations have been made yet.

 

M.T. orders governor to seek vaccinations for employees and families of ThaiBev – Post Today economic-business news

 

The Interior has ordered the governor to find vaccinations for more than 70 thousand ThaiBev employees and families, a private sector with missions and work structures in various regions across the country.

 

Ministry of Interior (Prof. MCOT) has published as urgently as possible to send to “government of all provinces” on June 17, with the message that

With Thai Beverage Public Company Limited has asked for support for the Coronavirus 2019 vaccine to reduce the risk of spreading the disease to 43,201 employees and the family of 28,244 employees of the Company. people in 76 provinces and Bangkok Details appear in the copy of the letter of Thai Beverage Public Company Limited No. SorKor.600/2564 dated 8 June 2021 attached herewith.

 

https://www.newsdirectory3.com/m-t-orders-governor-to-seek-vaccinations-for-employees-and-families-of-thaibev-post-today-economic-business-news/
 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

On 6/18/2021 at 7:49 PM, wensiensheng said:

It would be nice to see a government graphic showing the timeline of deliveries over the next six months transposed with anticipated vaccinations. Maybe two different colors so that it doesn’t get confusing.

 

in other words some kind of practical comprehensive projections of just where this countries Covid response is going, rather than a drip feed of tidbits now and then that are meaningless on their own.

 

If the govt. is going to stick to their supposed goal of 100 million doses by the end of the year -- mostly double doses for 50 million people or 70% of Thailand's approx 70 million population. Given that they've only done 7 million+ doses thus far and have another almost 93 million to do...

 

If you do the math for the number of days remaining in 2021 at this point, the government would have to be doing about 480,000 doses administered each and every day for the remainder of the year, weekends included, to meet that goal (as illustrated by the horizontal blue line in the graphic below.

 

And thus far, they're coming nowhere close to that level of vaccinations, and have only met the average daily doses output they need to reach on ONE day (June 8 ) thus far since the beginning of their thus far, far less than "mass vaccination" campaign:

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/KhaosodEnglish/posts/4432192296799668

 

Edited June 20, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[wensiensheng]

28 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

If the govt. is going to stick to their supposed goal of 100 million doses by the end of the year -- mostly double doses for 50 million people or 70% of Thailand's approx 70 million population. Given that they've only done 7 million+ doses thus far and have another almost 93 million to do...

 

If you do the math for the number of days remaining in 2021 at this point, the government would have to be doing about 480,000 doses administered each and every day for the remainder of the year, weekends included, to meet that goal (as illustrated by the horizontal blue line in the graphic below.

 

And thus far, they're coming nowhere close to that level of vaccinations, and have only met the average daily doses output they need to reach on ONE day (June 8 ) thus far since the beginning of their thus far, far less than "mass vaccination" campaign:

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/KhaosodEnglish/posts/4432192296799668

 

Interesting chart Tall guy. I assume that the 488k has been a steadily rising number as each day of lower vaccinations has ticked by
 

The next thing that should be done is to put anticipated vaccine supplies onto the chart.
 

Of course Khaosod can’t do that because no one knows when the delivery dates are for future vaccine supplies. But I bet if someone were to have the information and do that, there would be some “down days” due to lack of vaccine. So the vaccination levels on days when vaccine is available will need to be very high indeed.

 

what the government should be seeking is for vaccine stock levels to always exceed the minimum number needed to meet any particular days demand. There isn’t enough at the moment, but when does the tide turn? The government has that information and it should enable them to project when exactly they are likely to hit 100 million doses injected in arms.

 

I’m betting the numbers don’t look good, so it’s being conveniently ignored.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

30 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

I’m betting the numbers don’t look good, so it’s being conveniently ignored.

 

One of the Thai news reports posted here in the past day or so made it sound like the government already has firm contractual commitments for 100+ million doses by the end of 2021. But in fact, AFAIK, they don't.

 

They've talked a lot about extra Pfizer and Moderna doses and have claimed commitments at various points. But unless I've missed something, I haven't seen any news of actual real binding contracts having been executed with clear and specified delivery schedules for those vaccines.

 

This is the latest I've seen re Pfizer doses:

 

"BANGKOK, June 11 (Reuters) - Thailand has signed a purchase order for 20 million doses of the COVID-19 vaccine develop by Pfizer (PFE.N) and BioNTech (22UAy.DE) to be delivered before the end of this year, its health minister said.

 

Details of the deal, delivery timeframe and the vaccine's approval by the Food and Drug Administration would be worked out in about a month, Thai Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul said on Thursday.

 

Thailand also plan to buy 5 million doses of Johnson & Johnson's (JNJ.N) single-shot vaccine within this year, Anutin said."

 

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/thailand-books-20-mln-doses-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccines-2021-06-11/

 

So, if they have a firm and binding deal, why does the second paragraph of the article then go on to say -- "Details of the deal, delivery timeframe and the vaccine's approval by the Food and Drug Administration would be worked out in about a month"? And a BKK Post article on the same day said another detail yet to be resolved at that point was the PRICE!  What kind of "contract" is that?

 

Any agreement for J&J doses supposedly is less far along.

 

And as for the 5-6 million Moderna doses to be distributed via private hospitals... that supposedly has to happen via a contract involving the Government Pharmaceutical Organization.  And the last update I saw in the BKK Post several days ago said they still haven't reached any agreement as yet for those doses.

 

So there's still a lot of vague and uncertain pieces in Thailand's vaccine puzzle at this point, especially in terms of vaccine doses that are going to be here available for use before the end of the current calendar year.

 

 

Edited June 20, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK