51 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No bubble and seal is very different, you should already know that seeing as you've been posting here for so long, this as stated is a lockdown

Sorry, but I don't.  Could you clarify?  It might be useful for other people who haven't been posting here for so long as well.  The Forum works best as an information Forum, not a private conversation between a few people.

59 minutes ago, anchadian said:

It's called 'helping each other out'.

Can’t deny they need it! Tag team springs to mind...

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Please, list the other countries that would disagree with my statement that Sinovac is very effective in lowering hospitalizatons

not in Thailand - Fact

2 minutes ago, Spilornis said:

Sorry my Thai is no good.

Is that the figure 317,506 in the second diagram in the opening post

Thanks

A graphic is posted on here everyday showing the progress of vaccinations against the government target of 100 mil doses by the end of the year. Currently they are averaging about 220k per day since 7th June. The daily required rate has risen from 480k at 7th June, to about 530k as at yesterday.

29 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

As you can see from your chart, infections were not rising much, until the Delta variant hit in June, provoking a sharp increase.

 

The Doom and Gloom types had no idea that Delta was coming, back in May, yet they denied that case numbers were flat, based on nothing.

Lack of testing randomly ring a bell for you,thought mot as you denied that would make a difference in cases as it was based upon beds and discharges as you still say and them it is only the clusters.  If you can't remember that I will be more than happy to go to the archives too provide your own words to you. You can just go tour activity from then and see for yourself instead of my digging it up.....enjoy.

5 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Getting back to reality, no one was saying here “cases may be flat now, in May, but the Delta variant is coming in June, and then cases will skyrocket”.

 

Do you have any insight into when the Epsilon variant is coming and it’s impact?

No you mean getting back to your warped reality where you predict based on data instead of the outside factors like a new variant. You were totally wrong and act like others did not forsee it. Many said that once delta would hit it would get worse. So please stop defending your anal obsession with data that left you wide open for things like this.

 

Delta was famous back then already. You can keep arguing but guess what most agree with me because they know how you think. So if many agree (look at the likes) then do consider if you were wrong not to see it.

 

Maybe you learn something from this you can't just predict stuff based on the data when new variants are all around us. Of course nobody could predict the exact numbers just that it would have a big impact. 

 

Now open your mind a bit stop focusing on data alone because historical data is important but not the only thing you should look at. Even in the financial world they will look at historical data and then ad future scenarios. They don't act like you basing things only on old data.

 

 

24 minutes ago, robblok said:

Why do you say people had no idea that Delta would hit. Just because you did not forsee it does not mean others did not. The variants travel all over the world it was just a matter of time. A big oversight on you.. to focused on data instead of what could happen.  You just thought it would always be these strains. But the Brit variant arrived too.. so it was inevitable that delta would come too. 

Don't worry.....he will say he foresaw it. He has all the answers.

1 minute ago, smedly said:

not in Thailand - Fact

 

Every country that conducted mass trials of Sinovac vs previous variants found that it was very effective in reducing hospitalizations and deaths.  As far as I know, Thailand has done no such thing. 

37 minutes ago, robblok said:

Why do you say people had no idea that Delta would hit. Just because you did not forsee it does not mean others did not. The variants travel all over the world it was just a matter of time. A big oversight on you.. to focused on data instead of what could happen.  You just thought it would always be these strains. But the Brit variant arrived too.. so it was inevitable that delta would come too. 

It's just another deflection on his part as it is the way he responds as he will never say he was wrong unlike many of us who admit we messed up.....

27 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Not so much the willfully ignorant, but those who read their comments.

Ask the pm with all his antics. Sorry but it’s facts he hasn’t been following the rules from day one and people are expected to follow.? 

24 minutes ago, Phuketshrew said:

Yikes! You mean you have run out of beer?

Worse, wine and cheese....

20 minutes ago, BE88 said:

 

If you look at this graphic in a week we will be at 20,000 infected, if nothing is caught in the epidemic and completely out of control in two weeks

 

 

 

 

It's completely out of control now and has been for sometime.

Just now, ThailandRyan said:

It's just another deflection on his part as it is the way he responds as he will never say he was wrong unlike many if us who admit we messed up.....

Its a rookie mistake, looking at historical data only without taking into account changes in future. Almost nowhere do we base our prediction only on historical data. They always take into account changes in the future. Make predictions based on a few scenarios combined with old data. He just got stuck at the first level.

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

 

Every country that conducted mass trials of Sinovac vs previous variants found that it was very effective in reducing hospitalizations

what does Thailand do with anyone that tests positive for covid ?

The numbers have probably been massaged, and they've done it before in these situations. There's a big meeting of the CCSA today to decide on (unpopular with many, but popular with others) measures like the inter-provincial travel ban and closure of non-essential shops. The decision's already been made by you-know-who, so to make it more difficult to argue against the new restrictions they bump up the daily numbers. You know how it will go at the press conference later today:

 

CCSA spokesman: We regret that we must introduce more restrictions on your lives.

Some members of the public: Booo! That's terrible, How dare  you?

CCSA spokesman: But you saw that we had almost 10,000 new cases today, what else can we do?

Some members of the public: I guess he does have a point there....

1 minute ago, NicholasTH said:

Ask the pm with all his antics. Sorry but it’s facts he hasn’t been following the rules from day one and people are expected to follow.? 

What has your comment got to do with what I wrote. I was commenting on why I bothered to reply to someone who had made a blatantly false statement.

53 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Because nothing else is coming into the country. No Moderna. No Pfizer. No J&J. They aren't going to get here until next year--some time. And Sinovac is better than nothing.

Not many quality vaccines have actually been ordered ... just 5 million here and 10 million there ...

 

My solution: actually make firm orders now for 120 million quality vaccines (yes, will take a while to arrive - and we'll have to suffer in the meantime) ... you could discount that quantity by the minimum amounts the local producer can guarantee to supply (so far, they've been working off the maximum capicity).

 

Otherwise, all we have now is: a shocking problem, and the only likely solution (an adequate number of quality vaccines) haven't even been ordered yet!!!

16 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Getting back to reality, no one was saying here “cases may be flat now, in May, but the Delta variant is coming in June, and then cases will skyrocket”.

 

Do you have any insight into when the Epsilon variant is coming and it’s impact?

You tell us since you have the answer for everything.

1 minute ago, smedly said:

what does Thailand do with anyone that tests positive for covid ?

What has this got to do with reports based on mass trials of Sinovac's efficacy against previous variants?

1 hour ago, DrJack54 said:

This report and earlier one for another province has surprised me. I assumed the lockdown of outbound travel would start with Bangkok.

I wonder if Phuket will join the list. 

Might be situation where all the governor's follow one by one to be seen as being pro-active.

Sangkhlaburi has a very long border with Burma, the situation could be quite bad up there, we have no information

Must be close to a complete lockdown in the Country....this will easily spiral to 50,000 infections a day without it

Again this morning Thais I work with telling me Thaksin will come back imminently as the saviour of the Thai people with boatloads of Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. They seem convinced.

 

And you thought this government was unpopular before the COVID crisis? 

 

Let this be a lesson to those Thais (and foreigners that should know better) that you allowed this to happen by either protesting for a coup, voting for them or even just sitting idly by and allowing it all to happen.

 

Now you reap the whirlwind. 

8 minutes ago, smedly said:

what does Thailand do with anyone that tests positive for covid ?

Rhetorical question obviously....????

Just now, MikeyIdea said:

Sangkhlaburi has a very long border with Burma, the situation could be quite bad up there, we have no information

True. 

We might see by the end of today if any provinces have closed (restricted) border's. Obviously Bangkok the big player in this. 

Last year (first wave?) April 25, I was on island that is a national park. That was subsequently closed. No holiday makers allowed. 

Interesting days ahead.

12 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Sorry, but I don't.  Could you clarify?  It might be useful for other people who haven't been posting here for so long as well.  The Forum works best as an information Forum, not a private conversation between a few people.

You've been reading these threads I'm very surprised. There are a mixture depending on if its a Thai or migrants

 

Bubble and seal, locked in be that a slum community, migrant camps, dormitories. Left to infect themselves until they reach herd immunity. For migrants the conditions are the worst.

 

Officials say factory employees can continue working as normal during the period they are sealed off, but have not confirmed if non-infected workers can mix with those who have tested positive.

 

“Enforcing an abusive and discriminatory policy, Thai authorities put migrant workers affected by the COVID-19 outbreak in a ghetto, where infection spreads like wildfire in squalid conditions,” said Sunai Phasuk, a senior researcher for Human Rights Watch in Thailand."

I was spooked by the the bad news here yesterday, so I went to Pattaya City Hospital and asked for a covid vaccine. 

 

Many people were there getting their vaccines - and I suddenly thought I had a chance!

 

But the nurse (without making any further enquiry about my situation) told me the vaccine is "for Thais only."

 

Health care here: based on race not need.

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Enforcing an abusive and discriminatory policy

One facet of Thainess.

Opinion: By playing hot potato with the pandemic, our politicians are saving face instead of lives

 

The CCSA has stated that it would consider lockdown measures if proposed by the Ministry of Public Health. But later the deputy minister of public health came out to say that the decision should be made directly by the prime minister.

 

This game of passing the hot potato of responsibility by various government agencies responsible for handling the pandemic shows that they care more about “face” politics than the lives of the people.

 

This adds to the plethora of mixed messages that people have been getting since the pandemic began.

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/29622/by-playing-hot-potato-with-the-pandemic-our-politicians-are-saving-face-instead-of-lives/

 

3 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Again this morning Thais I work with telling me Thaksin will come back imminently as the saviour of the Thai people with boatloads of Pfizer and Moderna vaccines. They seem convinced.

 

My wife has been hearing things at work for ages and nothing really came true. 

 

 

Well the **** has hit the fan.