Just now, Pattaya Spotter said:

Thanks...the second one is scheduled for the first week of August.

2nd one of what ?

1 minute ago, 4MyEgo said:

2nd one of what ?

Sinovac. I also have a paid reservation for the Moderna jab in October. 

It's been known for some time Sinovac is less effective than Western-developed vaccines. That's why the CCP has a massive disinformation campaign going on social media aimed at discrediting AZ etc.

Less effective does not mean it is useless. If Sinovac prevents death, or lessens the severity of symptoms when infected, it is still better than nothing.

Just now, Pattaya Spotter said:

Sinovac.

Somethings better than nothing as the saying goes and it does still protect you from serious infection and hospitalisation, the booster will also get your antibodies rocking further up.

Just now, 4MyEgo said:

Somethings better than nothing as the saying goes and it does still protect you from serious infection and hospitalisation, the booster will also get your antibodies rocking further up.

I'm supposedly getting Moderna in October too (if it arrives on schedule).

2 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I'm supposedly getting Moderna in October too (if it arrives on schedule).

2 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Somethings better than nothing as the saying goes and it does still protect you from serious infection and hospitalisation, the booster will also get your antibodies rocking further up.

But, given the access to choice, use one that does the job longer term with fewer jabs?

9 minutes ago, maddermax said:

So there we go. As suspected the Sinovac is useless. Almost 10% of those vaccinated have the virus. Thankfully, they know who they are and how to handle it in the hospitals but what if it had been those working in the hospitality industry or construction workers. We would have a massive fourth or fifth wave.

Think I'll wait for the Moderna or J&J vaccines.

Where do you get this 10% from? If the article is to be believed the percentage is 0.1

1 hour ago, the green light said:

buy cheaper vaccines

Thailand is paying a hefty premium - handling fees, expediting fees, "other" fees - for sinovac.

 

3X the cost of AZ.

 

 

The reasons for going with sinovac seem based on availability, and skimmability.

 

 

You now....this ‘pandemic’ has, imo, been a WAY, WAY overblown and the outcry from both the government and the the media has inexcusably caused what I see as almost mass hysteria in the populace!!  Thailand has a population of approx 69M!!  According to your own figures there have been, since the beginning. 18 months ago up until now, a total of 336,371 recorded cases of the COVID-19 virus and 2,711 deaths!  That works out to 0.49% of the population having been infected and the infections resulting in 0.004% deaths during these past 18 months!!! ZERO. ZERO, ZERO FOUR!!!!

Yes, COVID-19 is no joke, but neither are the vehicle related deaths which, yearly, result in approximately 20,000 deaths or roughly 55 persons being killed per day!!! If the government and media reaction to these figures were proportional to this COVID-19 “pandemic”, there would be an immediate restriction on ‘unnecessary’ vehicle operation’ or some such reaction!

6 hours ago, webfact said:

880 medics infected with COVID-19 in the past three months, seven died

 

(Photo by Lillian SUWANRUMPHA / AFP)

 

880 medical personnel, about 54% of them nurses and assistant nurses, were infected with COVID-19 between April 1st and July 10th, and of these, seven have died, according to Dr. Sophon Iamsirsithavorn, deputy director-general of Disease Control Department.

 

He said, today (Sunday), that over 97% of Thailand’s 700,000 medics are fully inoculated, adding that of the seven deaths, five of them were not vaccinated, one had received just one Sinovac dose and the other had received two.

He noted that most of the infected medics were among those who were fully inoculated, with the exception of only 173 who are not vaccinated.

 

Dr. Sophon also disclosed that the National Communicable Committee will meet Monday to discuss the third booster jab for frontline medical personnel, as proposed by the technical committee.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/880-medics-infected-with-covid-19-in-the-past-three-months-seven-died/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2021-07-12

 

- Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you

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I guess that these hard working and dedicated Medical Personnel are what an Army would describe as " Collateral damage ".

It is disgraceful that  " only " 173 of these people where infected because they had not been Vaccinated at all. That is roughly 20 % of the profession.

But what are these people worth against 2000 or so Tourists in Phuket, where all the Population has been vaccinated to a level of at least 70 % ( if the figures are to be believed ).

These are the very people that could possibly save Thailand from the S@@t Storm they are getting into, and they are treated in this manner.

Words fail me.

10 minutes ago, maddermax said:

My maths were never very good! However, 0.1% infected can do a lot of damage.

0.1 is very unlikely to be true too. There is no vaccine that good to protect 99.9% against the virus transmission.

5 hours ago, Soikhaonoiken said:

If these figures are to be beleived, we'll done Mr P (sarcasm) another waisted time and money, why isn't the Government listening to health experts that the Sinovac vaccine is useless. 

As Lung Too said we will have vaccine by next year, he said it and that is what he is sticking too.

8 minutes ago, tau152 said:

You now....this ‘pandemic’ has, imo, been a WAY, WAY overblown and the outcry from both the government and the the media has inexcusably caused what I see as almost mass hysteria in the populace!!  Thailand has a population of approx 69M!!  According to your own figures there have been, since the beginning. 18 months ago up until now, a total of 336,371 recorded cases of the COVID-19 virus and 2,711 deaths!  That works out to 0.49% of the population having been infected and the infections resulting in 0.004% deaths during these past 18 months!!! ZERO. ZERO, ZERO FOUR!!!!

Yes, COVID-19 is no joke, but neither are the vehicle related deaths which, yearly, result in approximately 20,000 deaths or roughly 55 persons being killed per day!!! If the government and media reaction to these figures were proportional to this COVID-19 “pandemic”, there would be an immediate restriction on ‘unnecessary’ vehicle operation’ or some such reaction!

Another who does not understand pandemics grow unbounded without measures to combat them.

 

Did so many not read Jack and the beanstalk growing up?

"Mom, it's only 2 inches tall."

" <== future pandemic

 

 

2 hours ago, Andylongtime said:

Nothing made in China works

And as most of what is sold in Thailand originates in China, that's a problem.

 

I was working with a journalist colleague from China and, in my diplomatic way, asked him why everything made in China is such <deleted>. He was surprised and said that what he bought there was fine, so I suspect that Thailand buys the lowest possible quality as it's cheap.

5 hours ago, Soikhaonoiken said:

If these figures are to be beleived, we'll done Mr P (sarcasm) another waisted time and money, why isn't the Government listening to health experts that the Sinovac vaccine is useless. 

Tell the PM to stick his salary where the sun don't shine, that's not helping anyone.

If he genuinely wants to help the public, along with all the other parliamentarians, give them an apron each and show them the way to the nearest hospital

 

6 hours ago, Soikhaonoiken said:

If these figures are to be beleived, we'll done Mr P (sarcasm) another waisted time and money, why isn't the Government listening to health experts that the Sinovac vaccine is useless. 

So with all the other vaccines out there is it the case that after being vaccinated with these there have been no cases of Covid? 

This Reuters is spreading misinformation as usual.

 

Vaccination doesn't mean you will never be infected again just that you won't be hospitalized. This happens to all vaccines and not just Sinovac.

 

All the vaccines are less effective against the Delta variant. Just look at Israel with Pfizer and India with AZ. They had high rate of infections even though Israel had most people vaccinated.

 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/vaccinated-people-account-for-half-of-new-covid-19-delta-cases-in-israeli-outbreak-11624624326

 

TEL AVIV—About half of adults infected in an outbreak of the Delta variant of Covid-19 in Israel were fully inoculated with the Pfizer Inc. vaccine, prompting the government to reimpose an indoor mask requirement and other measures to contain the highly transmissible strain.

 

Preliminary findings by Israeli health officials suggest about 90% of new infections were likely caused by the Delta variant, according to Ran Balicer, who leads an expert advisory panel on Covid-19 for the government

Too much money being made out of SV, add to that the fact that they don’t want to upset China and you see why this has happened, and will happen even more in the general population.

1 minute ago, EricTh said:

This Reuters is spreading misinformation as usual.

Perhaps you’d like to back this statement up with your alternative facts?

Not all bad — the THB is weakening ????
 

btw fix the emojis 

56 minutes ago, Xonax said:

Sinovac was still a much better option than the alternative (no vaccine). Only one dead and one in critical condition out of 677,348 inocculated medical personnel clearly shows, that Sinovac is not bullet proof, but definitely not bad at all, which is exactly what the tests had showed. 

As usual in Thailand, near enough is good enough. Except this time they are playing with people's lives.

.09%, considering the environment, circumstances and incomplete data set is close enough to a statistical zero that I wouldn't be worrying about it. The important numbers would be, of the 618, how many ended up on ventilators or, Universe forbid, dead. I'm guessing none, but we don't know. We're talking about a vaccine. Not a magical elixir. They will find that everyone will need a booster at some point. Some, like healthcare workers dealing with the highest concentrations of infected people, on a daily basis, will need them first and perhaps more often. This freaking article is just going to scare average citizens for absolutely no reason. We should be fully supporting every vaccine, when the alternative is none. And I see no statistical benefit of one over another, once the data from the controlled studies is analyzed correctly. None of them are great. But they're all good. 

6 minutes ago, Fairynuff said:

Perhaps you’d like to back this statement up with your alternative facts?

I've already backed it up with links to article in my original post above. What about you?

 

Any medical student know that being vaccinated doesn't mean you will never be infected again. That's not how things work.

 

If that's not misinformation, what is?

 

4 hours ago, fusion58 said:

"Sinovac sucks."

 

 - A member of my immediate family who is also one of the U.S. Army's top infectious disease and virology specialists.

An anonymous poster cites an alleged anonymous family member. Impressive.

To add to an understanding of how vaccines work. All the clinical trials were done on the original China strain and not the Delta (Indian) strain, right? Correct me if I am wrong. 

2 hours ago, Andylongtime said:

Nothing made in China works

Wrong. Look at Covid19 for example, seems to work pretty well. 

4 hours ago, fusion58 said:

"Sinovac sucks."

 

 - A member of my immediate family who is also one of the U.S. Army's top infectious disease and virology specialists.

It might be junk but none of them necessarily prevent infection including the ‘great’ Pfizer which we now hear can cause heart issues.
 

 Heart inflammation link to Pfizer and Moderna jabs https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57781637

2 hours ago, Andylongtime said:

Nothing made in China works

If that were the case, the world would have long since stopped running. China accounts for roughly 30% of the world's manufacturing output. 

Just now, placeholder said:

An anonymous poster cites an alleged anonymous family member. Impressive.

I am just wondering how the inactivated virus technology that has been used for decades in other vaccines is 'less effective' when it's the same technology.

 

Obviously, it is more prejudice than scientific.