Royal Thai Navy moves forward with proposal to purchase more submarines, dismisses criticism

[Rhys]

Hmmm another great idea like the Blimp that never flew or flews for a few mission and they could not afford parts, so they discarded it.

 

 

Edited July 18, 2021 by Rhys

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, MayBeNow said:

Please show me links to reports people are starving. You know what starving means right?

"dying because of not having enough food". Links please.

 

As requested.

 

https://twitter.com/BKK_community/status/1416203007356637184

 

 

[newnative]

3 hours ago, mrmicbkktxl said:

I think this won't happen, next week prayuth will say submarine deal is on ice and then he will be the hero.Even prayuth can't be that stupid to buy submarines now

   I agree.  No new vaccine shipments on the horizon so nothing to talk about there--and he looks bad at the same time with no new shipments.  Throw this very unpopular news item up in the air and he, as you say, can be seen as the hero batting it down.  

[MayBeNow]

57 minutes ago, colinneil said:

There is none so blind as them that cannot see.

So the photos showing hundreds of people waiting patiently on Pattaya beach for food hand outs are fake, open your eyes, stop trying to be clever.

Colin, you seem to be the opposite of clever, which is very ok. Your whats called a follower.

 

But back to your claim. You state that people starve in Thailand. Show me recent links or reports that support your claim. A handout of food is not the same as starving.

 

Starving is death caused by lack of food. Or do you claim that people are starving in the UK and USA  also, for the simple fact they get foodstamps or are on welfare?

 

 

 

[chickenslegs]

1 hour ago, MayBeNow said:

Please show me links to reports people are starving. You know what starving means right?

"dying because of not having enough food". Links please.

 

Definition of starving = Suffering OR dying from hunger.

 

Plenty are suffering from hunger just now.

[MayBeNow]

1 hour ago, SomchaiCNX said:

Did you forget to take your pills? You did not mention the number of submarines the two biggest bullies own. Why, because they are your communist friends? Like I told many times before those with a veto right within the (useless) UN are the biggest bullies and offenders. 

You do not seem to notice the winds have changed. They blow from the West no more.

Its funny you say communist friends. Communism is a relic of the forgotten past, maybe still a factor of importance in your mind? Or do you really think China is communist? Only in name sir. Nowadays China is far from being communist, its hyper nationalistic. And they are hell bent of making sure the West can never again impose unequal treaties.

[Burma Bill]

5 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

“duty” of the Royal Thai Navy to protect the country.

In my book, Chinese fishing boats would be a good starter!!

 

[Uroller]

Priorities in wrong place as there will be no country to protect the way Covid is running rampant????

[Boedog]

If you buy enough Sinvax from us we give you 2 submarines, but we not need 2 submarines, we need vaccines that work sorry we not have, 

[mancub]

45 minutes ago, MayBeNow said:

Colin, you seem to be the opposite of clever, which is very ok. Your whats called a follower.

 

But back to your claim. You state that people starve in Thailand. Show me recent links or reports that support your claim. A handout of food is not the same as starving.

 

Starving is death caused by lack of food. Or do you claim that people are starving in the UK and USA  also, for the simple fact they get foodstamps or are on welfare?

 

 

 

Pure pedantry or trivial trolling...I can't decide !

[PETERTHEEATER]

Look on the bright side. The subs will be dual function. By replacing the engines with rocket motors and standing them on end they will be used for the Thai Space programme.

 

[Chris.B]

2 hours ago, MayBeNow said:

USA 71 submarines

UK 11 submarines

 

It seems many Western immigrants are really fired up about Thailand, with its long coastline, intending to buy 2 submarines. Did it ever dawn on you that its because the world is unsafe. Especially since Western countries care jackass about international law? Especially since 1989? Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen. The bullying of Cuba, Venezuela, Serbia, Russia, China, Iran to name just a few countries. The list is endless.

The above 2 countries, with a proven track record of centuries of imperialism, adventurism, mass murder and foreign occupation, posess overwhelming firepower (ok the UK is a small guy thinking its big, but still dangerous enough) firepower that they use to bully souvereign countries into submission. Thailand doesnt buy these 2 subs from China to protect itself from China...

The submarines Thailand will buy will be unlikely to match any submarine from the USA, UK or France in that matter!

 

[Dogmatix]

Fill them up with COVID infected people and scuttle them. Great way to protect national security.

[Nickelbeer]

Of course they dismiss criticism. Thailand has about as much need for submarines and jets as Guam, but the ego of the military must be fed. 

[Dogmatix]

10 minutes ago, Chris.B said:

The submarines Thailand will buy will be unlikely to match any submarine from the USA, UK or France in that matter!

 

 

It doesn't matter because they are unusuable in Thai waters anyway. They are also no match for surface vessels either because they can't hide in shallow water and can be easily caught up with bu surface vessels and sunk with depth charges.  Subs need much deeper water so they can hide under the layers of water at different temperatures that makes them harder to find and hit. They are also complete sitting ducks against anti-sub aircrafts. 

[ifmu]

6 hours ago, KannikaP said:

Are they buying MORE subs, or just the two already on order?

More

[geoffrobbo]

6 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Protect the country from who?

You don't need submarines to protect the country from those harming it. You need free elections.

 

[Poilu]

11 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

 

It doesn't matter because they are unusuable in Thai waters anyway. They are also no match for surface vessels either because they can't hide in shallow water and can be easily caught up with bu surface vessels and sunk with depth charges.  Subs need much deeper water so they can hide under the layers of water at different temperatures that makes them harder to find and hit. They are also complete sitting ducks against anti-sub aircrafts. 

I think you are right. The American submarine USS Lagerta was depth charged and sunk with all hands in May 1945 while on patrol in the Gulf Of Thailand. 

[puck2]

Maybe  the Sinovac (under table) money didn't wash enough money up in the pockets of the military junta. Now they try it by ordering submarines.

[Andycoops]

We already know that the Chinese sub variant isn't any use against Delta but the corrupt Muppets continue to line their bulging pockets even further with their corrupt brothers in peking.

No shame, no honour, just greed.

[joskeshake]

No have vaccins because the good ones too expensive, but have money to buy submarines TIT

[MrJ2U]

Disgusting.

[Tarteso]

7 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

to protect the country.

????

[hotchilli]

8 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

According to Admiral Chettha Jaipiam, a spokesperson for the RTN, the purchase is part of the “duty” of the Royal Thai Navy to protect the country.

I guess they could tie them alongside the strategic aircraft carrier and pretend they have a task force? 

[Nojohndoe]

5 hours ago, Silencer said:

Would love to see the threat assessment and war plans that call for submarines as the answer. Amphibious assault, off-shore pounding from destroyers, submarine warfare, protecting vital shipping channels, drug interdiction? Who is attacking? Why subs vs. surface ships? Where do the subs hide in the shallow Gulf in such scenarios? Who has ever threatened Thailand by sea? No military credible reason for this deal but we all already know that.

One of the first excursions undertaken by Myanmar's submarine acquired from India was to enter the Gulf of Thailand.

From a military perspective submarines present as an extremely important tactical threat.

Coupled not only with the desire to "keep up with the Jones's"  militarily the protection of resources in the Andaman Sea has been a long expressed desire for Thailand.

Back in 2011 the Thai Navy failed to swing a deal for 8 second hand German made subs but Yingluck declined the request.

Militarily there is some credibility but unfortunately that is not in the perspective of the general public who have little interest in observing large sums of money being sent anywhere but to themselvesespecially at this moment .

[CANSIAM]

3 minutes ago, Nojohndoe said:

One of the first excursions undertaken by Myanmar's submarine acquired from India was to enter the Gulf of Thailand.

From a military perspective submarines present as an extremely important tactical threat.

Coupled not only with the desire to "keep up with the Jones's"  militarily the protection of resources in the Andaman Sea has been a long expressed desire for Thailand.

Back in 2011 the Thai Navy failed to swing a deal for 8 second hand German made subs but Yingluck declined the request.

Militarily there is some credibility but unfortunately that is not in the perspective of the general public who have little interest in observing large sums of money being sent anywhere but to themselvesespecially at this moment .

The U.S. 7th fleet will look after any of Thailand's Naval threats.......

[bangon04]

7 hours ago, clivebaxter said:

Will go well with that missing aircraft carrier that has no planes on it !

are you referring to the royal yacht??

[thailand49]

No surprise!  they got their heads up the tunnel of the Chinese so far they won't ever see the light nor will they have the fortitude to tell them NO but Hell NO, this is the same with the Chinese vaccine, no data, now no positive results yet they continue to buy and use?

[tonray]

9 hours ago, CANSIAM said:

The 2 junk Chinese submarines are needed to combat the Delta Variant issue..........

You guys don't get it...if things get dicey these are not defensive submarines but rather executive escape pods for the elite

[bangon04]

6 hours ago, keith101 said:

Protect the country from who LOL the only ones stupid enough would be the Chinese and that's who   you are probably buying them from so yet another waste of money like the space program instead of looking after the citizens affected by the Pandemic .

They are not stupid. They thought of that - because Thailand has no trained crew for submarines, they will use Chinese crews. And to save the cost of repainting the submarines, they will keep the chinese markings on the subs. And to avoid any accidents in shallow waters (as several posters have pointed out ) they will patrol the South China Sea around the Philippines.....