Life in Thailand possible without the Vaccine?

[LeatFingies]

One thing I’ve noticed on this forum is a huge lack of intelligence from the members. Virtually everyone on this forum is pro vaccine, pro totalitarian government, no questions asked. 
 

Every time I read comments about really anything on here, regarding any topic, I just shake my head. That’s how I know that not taking the vaccine is the right choice. 

[MrJ2U]

7 hours ago, LukKrueng said:

I'm home (Thailand) and I have no desire to get vaxed. If it bothers you, you can go home. 

What you going to do?

 

Eventually people who aren't vaxed will be ostracized.

 

I think its time to get on the reality train and get vaccinated. 

 

Not for your selfish self but for the loved ones forced to be close to you unfortunately.

 

Thats if you make it through the next wave.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/09/10/moderna-most-effective-covid-vaccine-studies/

 

 

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/unvaccinated-people-are-increasing-the-chances-for-more-coronavirus-variants-heres-how

Edited September 13, 2021 by MrJ2U

[MrJ2U]

3 minutes ago, LeatFingies said:

One thing I’ve noticed on this forum is a huge lack of intelligence from the members. Virtually everyone on this forum is pro vaccine, pro totalitarian government, no questions asked. 
 

Every time I read comments about really anything on here, regarding any topic, I just shake my head. That’s how I know that not taking the vaccine is the right choice. 

Thats why we have experts like you.

 

 

[Kanada]

17 minutes ago, LeatFingies said:

One thing I’ve noticed on this forum is a huge lack of intelligence from the members. Virtually everyone on this forum is pro vaccine, pro totalitarian government, no questions asked. 
 

Every time I read comments about really anything on here, regarding any topic, I just shake my head. That’s how I know that not taking the vaccine is the right choice. 

Good for you…make your decision and stand with that as long as you can….you will find all kinds of stats. and information backing your stance.

As long as you aren’t effecting anyone else’s health and well being..so be it????

 

[Dart12]

Disgusting to read how many are gleeful or wish others death here every time they hear another person dies if it is anecdotal to their opinion.

 

 

 

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, LeatFingies said:

One thing I’ve noticed on this forum is a huge lack of intelligence from the members. Virtually everyone on this forum is pro vaccine, pro totalitarian government, no questions asked. 
 

Every time I read comments about really anything on here, regarding any topic, I just shake my head. That’s how I know that not taking the vaccine is the right choice. 

‘Virtually’ everyone else on this forum is pro vaccine, ergo an idiot... erm... ok...  

 

And you have a great deal of intelligence because you ‘question the government’ and disagree with them ?

 

The only things you missed out are... sheeple, plandemic, covidiots...

Edited September 13, 2021 by richard_smith237

[sezze]

1 hour ago, LeatFingies said:

One thing I’ve noticed on this forum is a huge lack of intelligence from the members. Virtually everyone on this forum is pro vaccine, pro totalitarian government, no questions asked. 
 

Every time I read comments about really anything on here, regarding any topic, I just shake my head. That’s how I know that not taking the vaccine is the right choice. 

Did you do research on covid vaccines , actual research and not stuff you read on some facebook or other internet spot ?

Do you have a medical degree ( and preferably a infectious disease specialist degree ), in order to show that you do have the knowledge ?  Maybe you know anything that the rest of us don't know ? Is it just covid vaccination you are against or are you not vaccinated against anything and will refuse any later on also ( thinking about a dog bite...) ?

Let me ask you this :

Do you think that all countries in the world do all this stuff because of some higher mission , forgetting the billions which this costs ?

Do you think that from all countries , even the most covid sceptic countries , not a single report/msg came out about a big international scam ? Best they could do is: there is no covid in our country

Do you believe that all doctors and nurses in all hospitals are in fact actors , and also nobody there goes on about the scam ?

Do you believe that the vaccines , which already BILLIONS of people got around the world , have a build in trigger to kill people a few years later ?

Do you believe that taking the vaccine is worse then getting covid itself ?

Be honest , even if they inject salt water , and it is just a scam , why doubt about taking it , since it is much more comfortable later , maybe if you want to fly somewhere or any other kind where they want to see a vaccination certificate . BTW , there are very limited chemicals which do harm after years and all involve radioactive substances . All others will or kill you straight away ( meaning within 1st weeks ) or do nothing at all , since your body takes care of it .

I know i can't change your mind , but maybe if somebody got doubts and reads this he/she might change the mind .

[billd766]

14 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Based on faulty data, as they admit. Many deaths and cases were not reported or counted properly. Refer to Florida's recent changes.

We are not in Florida but in Thailand. A country notorious for ignoring the rest of the world unless it is praise for Thailand.

Edited September 13, 2021 by billd766
Bad spelling

[Freddy42OZ]

On 9/12/2021 at 11:10 AM, James105 said:

Since we are not yet at the stage where people have to wear armbands to signify their vaccine status, how do you plan to identify those that are vaxxed vs unvaxxed so you can avoid them like the plague?   Are you planning to carry out a health survey with everyone you encounter, such as shop workers, delivery drivers, social events etc?  Can you trust restaurants to enforce the rule if implemented and will you personally check on other diners to see if they have been vaxxed?  People who say they are going to avoid the unvaxxed like the plague are effectively saying that they do not trust the vaccine, yet are demanding others to take something they clearly do not trust themselves.    

 

You're being pedantic. 

If I were to say I'd avoid unvaccinated people like the plague it would mean *if I know they are unvaccinated* and what it really means is If I hear/see someone saying nonsense about 'vaccines don't work', 'I'm not putting that poison in my body', 'It's all a scam to control people', etc etc I will absolutely avoid those people. 

Not because I'm worried about catching covid (I already paid to get fully vaccinated), but because I think people that think and say nonsense like that are utter morons and I want nothing to do with such people. 

[Trujillo]

"Those antivaxxers generally are very vocal about it and easily avoidable."

 

First off, who cares about these people? What I don't understand is the self-righteousness against something that should have no effect on "the believers." 

Are the arguments and positions so threatening to you that you must censor them and avoid them at all costs?

I know a lot of people who firmly believe in an unseen and unknowable entity that they claim not only "watches over everyone and everything," but created all the creatures of the land, seas and skies at the same time, perhaps around 6,000 years ago. I think this idea is ludicrous but I don't cancel these believers or shun all contact with them. Why should I? Their odd beliefs don't impact what I know to be true. 

They may say that I am contributing to possibly infecting others with my beliefs and denying them a chance at everlasting life; but then, how does that impact you? I and others have made our choices. If you are self-protected from damnation, good for you. Leave the others alone.

 

I am not anti-vaccine; that would be counter to science. But for me, I am not at substantive risk due to my age and health and feel that if vaccines are to be given, please use them on those who are at risk. My healthy, 25-year-old coffee shop worker is vaccinated, but my feeble, 72-year-old next door neighbor is not? What is that about? 

Personally, I am not against the current vaccines, although the very fact that they are "leaky" and numbers out of many places (such as Israel) and the recent statement of the US president that the 'vaccinated need to be protected from the unvaccinated' underscores this, I think they are worthwhile for those at risk. 

I am however leery of the fact that natural immunity is virtually ignored in these discussions. Why the single-mindedness of vaccines? How do you think we gained our understanding of the mechanisms of vaccinations in the first place? 

 

But to the point of the question: Is life possible in Thailand without the vaccine? 

According to the Google machine, Thailand is 16.7% fully vaccinated, somewhat better than Zimbabwe, not quite as good as Grenada. Given this, statistically, it will be a long time before you are the one that is keeping all of the nation just that one shot away from the mythical and arbitrary 70 percent (and that discounts all those who knowingly or unknowingly have acquired natural immunity). 

 

The only thing that you need to keep in mind is whether or not immigration will mandate injections to maintain your visa status to stay here. Foreigners don't enjoy the full privileges afforded to Thai citizens, so it's unclear if forcing this measure is illegal, as if that matters here. 

However, if you are working here, your employer might require you to get a vaccine or else they could dock your pay (for "weekly testing"). While this is probably against the law, most workers simply roll over and accept that. 

 

So yes, life is very possible. 

 

 

[scorecard]

22 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

But they are not searching from a hospital bed !!

- Certainly wishful thinking but the best result would be nobody goes to hospital.

- Meantime many folks (in many countries) understand clearly (because there is obvious proof at every turn) that there is a dangerous/deadly virus present and already spread across the world and the new more virulent strain is spreading even more fast across the world. So they are seriously looking to get vaccination, accepting that the vaccinations available probably need improvement. But better to take what's available now, along with boosters into the future.

[scorecard]

14 hours ago, Stargrazer9889 said:

Another American who is scared of needles. Another person who only thinks of them self.

  The world is full of self centered people.  I have a few less relatives and friends who 

thought like this poster and they are all dead.  The vaccine man not stop you from getting

infected, but if it stops you from dying, is it not worth getting?  Maybe growing up is very

difficult for some of us, but that is what is required for this present World situation.

   When I hear of another unvaccinated person who has caught COVID and has died, I have no sympathy 

except I do feel sad that their family and friends have to suffer from them being so ignorant or stupid.

   There are people who are desperate to get themselves vaccinated,  then we hear from some selfish

person who claims that they do not need to get vaccinated. Pathetic.

Geezer

  

I add, the dangers of the very ignorant.

 

Example; my son asked the headmistress of the school his 3 daughters attend if they needed more masks/sanitizer supplies etc.,  

 

Her response; "Ohh it's not needed because the government doesn't allow the virus to come into 

schools".

[Kanada]

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

‘Virtually’ everyone else on this forum is pro vaccine, ergo an idiot... erm... ok...  

 

And you have a great deal of intelligence because you ‘question the government’ and disagree with them ?

 

The only things you missed out are... sheeple, plandemic, covidiots...

Dude…for everyone’s sake but mostly yours stop using the word “sheeple”…it just brands you and everything you say as weak and ineffective. You do t need any more help with that….!!

Google will find you another word you can pirate for your personal use

[Kanada]

20 minutes ago, Freddy42OZ said:

 

You're being pedantic. 

If I were to say I'd avoid unvaccinated people like the plague it would mean *if I know they are unvaccinated* and what it really means is If I hear/see someone saying nonsense about 'vaccines don't work', 'I'm not putting that poison in my body', 'It's all a scam to control people', etc etc I will absolutely avoid those people. 

Not because I'm worried about catching covid (I already paid to get fully vaccinated), but because I think people that think and say nonsense like that are utter morons and I want nothing to do with such people. 

Oh jeeeez…someone introduced a new word to TV forum…..”pedantic”

going to have to listen to that one for a month now ????

[Kanada]

14 minutes ago, scorecard said:

I add, the dangers of the very ignorant.

 

Example; my son asked the headmistress of the school his 3 daughters attend if they needed more masks/sanitizer supplies etc.,  

 

Her response; "Ohh it's not needed because the government doesn't allow the virus to come into 

schools".

Don’t believe that ever happened…neither will anyone else

[Jeffr2]

46 minutes ago, billd766 said:

We are not in Florida but in Thailand. A country notorious for ignoring the rest of the world unless it is praise for Thailand.

Thailand has also admitted it's reported numbers are low. Thus, that 99% stat is inaccurate.

[richard_smith237]

5 minutes ago, Kanada said:

Oh jeeeez…someone introduced a new word to TV forum…..”pedantic”

going to have to listen to that one for a month now ????

Awww... its the words are a little too big for our abecedarian fellow forum member??....  not one for a little sesquipedalian loquaciousness ? suffering from a little Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia ?

 

All in jest...  now you can go back and enjoy discussing conspiracy of how the governments have colluded with health experts to give us all a vaccine we don’t really need. 

[mikebike]

19 hours ago, Kanada said:

Surely you had your shots before you entered Thailand…you know..yellow fever, malaria, Hep A and B, Japanese Encephalitis, typhoid, cholera…etc. and the booster shots necessary to keep them up to date!

Be crazy not to have those…wouldn’t you??!

 

Nope not a one. Been here since 2006 and not contracted any of those.

[mikebike]

17 hours ago, hugocnx said:

Thanks for the links.

I think vaxxers have a death wish. As I wrote in other threads; when opting for a new car, would you go for a car that has the doubtful reputation of exploding during driving if even 1 in a million cases? 

Well... many people bought a Pinto or Bobcat back in the day... 3.4 million people bought an exploding car.

[Kanada]

59 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Awww... its the words are a little too big for our abecedarian fellow forum member??....  not one for a little sesquipedalian loquaciousness ? suffering from a little Hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobia ?

 

All in jest...  now you can go back and enjoy discussing conspiracy of how the governments have colluded with health experts to give us all a vaccine we don’t really need. 

****now you can go back and enjoy discussing conspiracy of how the governments have colluded with health experts to give us all a vaccine we don’t really need ****
 

seems you have me confused with someone else….I’m vaccinated and I think everyone should be asap or sooner ????

[aussienam]

Not American bashing, but I overheard an American expat recently mentioning he will only accept Pfizer.  That part is fine, but his reason was words to the effect, "so if something bad happens to me I can sue them, as they are an American company and I am an American". 

I said to myself, "Hmm, good luck with that mate.  You going up against a major pharmaceutical company as a low-income recipient and have given informed consent to receiving the vaccine". 

 

And those guys who just decide outrightly to not accept any vaccine, well I would not be surprised that as foreign guests in this country, it may well eventually become mandatory that if you wish to remain here you will need to be vaccinated.  Otherwise enjoy your limited freedoms back in your own country of citizenship.  

Edited September 13, 2021 by aussienam

[ericbj]

19 hours ago, billd766 said:

I had my first Pfizer jab on Friday morning. The only problem was a soreness around the jab site. Age 77, height 185, weight 116, retired and lazy.

No one has identical genes.  Some may be lucky, others not.  Some vaccine injuries take time to develop.  With Covid-19 we are in uncharted territory.

[hioctane]

On 9/11/2021 at 9:10 PM, James105 said:

Since we are not yet at the stage where people have to wear armbands to signify their vaccine status, how do you plan to identify those that are vaxxed vs unvaxxed so you can avoid them like the plague?   Are you planning to carry out a health survey with everyone you encounter, such as shop workers, delivery drivers, social events etc?  Can you trust restaurants to enforce the rule if implemented and will you personally check on other diners to see if they have been vaxxed?  People who say they are going to avoid the unvaxxed like the plague are effectively saying that they do not trust the vaccine, yet are demanding others to take something they clearly do not trust themselves.    

Since it is obviously the antivaxers that are against revealing their vaccination status, I propose an alternative. Similar to a high tech armband, you opt in to an app that tells you who IS vaccinated so you know who to avoid like the plague.

[Regain]

I wish the anti vaxxers could get together and explain to everyone why they are opposed. Or just pick the Best number 1 reason, and then listen to the world’s top scientist put his reputation on the line and explain why its stupid.
 

Any other scientist who can show he’s lying gets to win a million dollars.

 

the end.

Edited September 13, 2021 by Regain

[xylophone]

2 hours ago, ericbj said:

Vomiting misinformed opinion is only convincing for the equally misinformed;
it is recommended to do some online research of evidence offered by front-line experts in the field of treating covid-19,  including doctors within the FLCCC, before drawing conclusions;
https://stevenyager.org/only-you-can-prevent-these-deaths

 

Ah, so sad that another gullible person gets sucked in.

 

The doctors in the FLCCC were not "frontline" doctors and the whole FLCCC shabang has been discredited (by frontline doctors, professors and other medical professionals) and the info on that has been posted on the ASEAN forum.

 

And as for the Steven Yager link you gave, well even the info on that website is suspect, as per his message on it..............Never disregard professional medical advice or delay in seeking it because of something you have read on this website.

 

Quite why the gullible people will not listen to the VAST MAJORITY OF THE MEDICAL PROFESSION and go off to seek alternative misinformation on this is quite incredible.........might be looking for membership of "the tin-foil hat" club!

[Pushbiker]

What's Ur problem dude... They kept me overnight and because this hospital is a real s**thole I just removed all the instruments and left. 

[connda]

On 9/11/2021 at 8:53 AM, AmericanMusashi said:

I'm a retired American under the age of 50 and wondering if it would be possible to live long term in Thailand without the vaccine?

Nope.  Now you know.

[billd766]

4 hours ago, ericbj said:

No one has identical genes.  Some may be lucky, others not.  Some vaccine injuries take time to develop.  With Covid-19 we are in uncharted territory.

I will stick with lucky.

[mikebike]

4 hours ago, ericbj said:

No one has identical genes.  Some may be lucky, others not.  Some vaccine injuries take time to develop.  With Covid-19 we are in uncharted territory.

Huh?

 

We know covid can hospitalize, require ventilators, and cause death and/or long-term health issues.

 

And you are seriously comparing that to nebulous, unverified, possible-in-the-future "vaccine injuries".

 

Are y'all for real or just trolling?

[pgrahmm]

This is the results via a BBK Post article/study.....Based on the numbers presented, this is how it breaks down....

 

It's pretty clear on advantages.....

 

Mods, if not permitted please remove as I understand there are  sources you cannot use....

 

Just trying to clear some of the murky waters we're swimming in.....