18 minutes ago, overherebc said:

I have a feeling that the 'openly obvious' dare I use the expresion sex oriented bars could be a thing of the past. Very likely the bars with the girls sitting outside may not be seen again. Will they survive with only the 'waitresses' inside and out of sight? I also reckon the pole dancing bars have gone for good. The underlying industry will still be there but in a different form. Can I say more behind closed doors?

Where would that leave places like Nana and Soi Cowboy?

up shzit creek

14 minutes ago, JCP108 said:

Oh, all those places can just convert themselves into family-friendly restaurants like Chuck-E-Cheese or something. Didn't you hear? Thailand is going to attract families now instead of the kind of people who have traditionally enjoyed Thai night life. 

That appears, at the moment, to be the intention.

IT doesn't matter what I think and failure is a term that has many definitions.   It depends how stretched they want the health care system which may or may not be affected.

NOt to mention if people feel they want to travel to Thailand given the restrictions which are still difficult.  

To play the devils advocate for a second, they do have to start somewhere so this is a start.  But to say that millions will come I highly doubt.  Bali is open right now but nobody is going either.  

I know one problem which is of concern for tourists is the possibility of testing positive upon entering and then ending up in some form of isolation.  The vacation would be memorable but not in a good way.  

If you have a limited time, would the airline let you on a flight or would you be stuck in Thailand until you are clear?  

4 minutes ago, Scott said:

I know one problem which is of concern for tourists is the possibility of testing positive upon entering and then ending up in some form of isolation.  The vacation would be memorable but not in a good way.  

If you have a limited time, would the airline let you on a flight or would you be stuck in Thailand until you are clear?  

Absolutely!

You have a family coming with you (that is tourism), what are the chances one of your kids is positive?  What's going to happen?

What's going to happen when you leave?  Will you test positive?  Will you be denied entry to your own country?  Will you have to wait to test negative and the virus possibly going through your whole family at different stages and then self isolate when you get home?  How late are you going to be for work?  

Some countries are far more lax than others.  Take China for instance - three week isolation upon going home.  

 

https://thepattayanews.com/2021/10/17/analysis-all-of-the-currently-known-details-about-reopening-pattaya-and-other-parts-of-thailand-to-vaccinated-foreign-tourists-without-quarantine-from-november-1st/

 

Measured and balanced as always.

2 minutes ago, Blumpie said:

Absolutely!

You have a family coming with you (that is tourism), what are the chances one of your kids is positive?  What's going to happen?

What's going to happen when you leave?  Will you test positive?  Will you be denied entry to your own country?  Will you have to wait to test negative and the virus possibly going through your whole family at different stages and then self isolate when you get home?  How late are you going to be for work?  

Some countries are far more lax than others.  Take China for instance - three week isolation upon going home.  

 

I think the wild card is the airlines.  If you can get on a flight, your own country has to let you in.   But, yes, it would be a major problem if it's a family and one member gets sick or just tests positive.

 

The Covid test upon arrival is ridiculous.  The opening only applies to airline travel and anyone flying in is going to have been most likely had a test for the flight.   Those tests to give false results, so I test  negative, fly in, test positive and end up in isolation (or worse).  Then I suspect big problems getting a flight back.   

 

11 minutes ago, Scott said:

I think the wild card is the airlines.  If you can get on a flight, your own country has to let you in.   But, yes, it would be a major problem if it's a family and one member gets sick or just tests positive.

 

EXTREMELY.  So your son has COVID and you are all stuck in a hotel room, hotel, whatever and it takes its course.  Is it really going to be two weeks until you go?  Maybe it's much much longer.  

It is just not worth it for a typical tourist to travel right now.

If you're a single guy well OK, try it but what are you going there for?  There isn't a lot to do is there?  

My opinion, which is only an opinion is that travel will not return world wide in any meaningful way until nearly the entire planet has 2 doses of a vaccine.  The good news is this is probably the final wave of the pandemic and scientists (real scientists) say that this is probably it.  Will it be?  Who knows.  

3 minutes ago, Credo said:

The Covid test upon arrival is ridiculous.  The opening only applies to airline travel and anyone flying in is going to have been most likely had a test for the flight.   Those tests to give false results, so I test  negative, fly in, test positive and end up in isolation (or worse).  Then I suspect big problems getting a flight back.   

 

I know right?  There is a lot going on here.  Is it worth the risk?  It seems to me that many people will think it's not.  For me, it's not.  

Another lockdown, another two jabs, more stupid tests,

who is going to risk getting stuck in funless Thailand.

85% gold plated FAIL.

Just now, talahtnut said:

Another lockdown, another two jabs, more stupid tests,

who is going to risk getting stuck in funless Thailand.

85% gold plated FAIL.

It's just too early to travel.  

By this time next year I think that we will be far more open than this year and it will be far easier to do so, dependent on the country and vaccination status of both countries.  

34 minutes ago, Blumpie said:

It's just too early to travel.  

By this time next year I think that we will be far more open than this year and it will be far easier to do so, dependent on the country and vaccination status of both countries.  

We were saying that last year.

A success for whom? Tourists or the Thai govt.

 

It will be a success for me as I can go and visit my mother in Scotland without the inconvenience of quarantine when returning.  

12 hours ago, RotBenz8888 said:

If they opened without coe/thailand pass, ASQ, insuransces, there are of course still a small number testing positive and a very small number actually sick. But it would be a smal cost for thailand to cover for those instead of scaring a potential tourists away by the insurance demand. And in terms if covid spread, it's already spread in Thailand! 

And the cost can be covered from the Bt. 500 entrance fee starting from January 1st.

In terms of Tourism it will probably be a non event due to the reduction in disposable incomes of the prior prospective customers, less restrictive destinations with same objectives and residual resistance to the "threat" of succumbing  to the possible inferred threat of the "virus" and all the restrictions it has enabled under the continuing definitions as a global pandemic.

6 hours ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

It just takes Australia to open the gates, which should be shortly, and Thailand to include Australia, which I think they will, and not too outrageous airfares or accommodation prices and I'll be there. Lot of people have maximum annual leave, been stuck at home a long time, and therefore you'll get a fair few from Australia. 

With all the alcohol restrictions ? Doubtfull.

Was talking to my good friend over a few pints this afternoon. He is adamant that he's booking next week for a 3 week pattaya trip in January. Myself after weighing up the pros and cons (no pun intended) I'll be going to Mexico.. 

  Thailand can wait untill it sorts itself out. 

For some unknown reason, I am actually going on a cruise next month.  The restrictions for vaccination and testing are similar to Thailand’s rules, and if you test positive at boarding you are turned away.  I think that is going to be part of the math for a while and it won’t be a deal killer for some people that are committed to going.

 

The problem is you really impact the pool of people with the layered restrictions.  Alcohol restrictions might be the only deal-killer for me personally, but other things will impact different people.  Net effect is that you might have an addressable market 2-5% of the size of 2019’s peak season.

The vaccine requirement is reasonable. The before travel test is reasonable. The after arrival one day quarantine and test is not reasonable will be a deal killer for the vast majority of potential travelers. If they're happy with low numbers, they can call it a success.

Personally, I'm looking forward to the upcoming sideshow and carney - 

Kick back with a little Ya Dong and experience the amusement at a few's expense. 

Neither pro or con about the whole thing.

 

 

I'll be in the front row when the curtains open.

Best of luck to everyone.

Better than locked in a room for 14 days, then 7 days and now 1 day ????

That seems like progress albeit in the disorganized Thai way of

not being ready for what's being offered. 

26 minutes ago, AwwYesNice1 said:

Better than locked in a room for 14 days, then 7 days and now 1 day ????

That seems like progress albeit in the disorganized Thai way of

not being ready for what's being offered. 

Yeah, they might figure it out eventually - 

19 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

With the relaxation for travelers to return to the US who are vaccinated and test negative before flying, and then the posted 1 day quarantine upon return here in Thailand after also testing negative before flying and then testing upon arrival, along with registering for entry via a new app we shall see what occurs.  I have scheduled my Visit to the US for after the first of the year and then return here a month after arrival, fully refundable of course, pending that in the next 90 days the world does not collapse and the restrictions that have been lifted slammed back in place.

Wishing you the best of luck, I'm in the same situation but I will continue to wait until it is 100% clear I can book a flight to the U.S and back right now even with the change of name it is unclear but clear enough you still must obtain a C.O.E.

It really doesn't matter whether or not it is, or what you judge to be a success.

 

It will be hailed as a success.

 

Assorted suits will congratulate themselves, in front of vinyl banners, from behind podiums liberally covered with yellow bouquets.

 

And nobody, Thai or foreigners, will believe them.

I voted "good start", but read it as "misunderstanding".

 

And I'll go to Bangkok early next month, for long overdue visits to Bumrungrad and my embassy. In a nutshell, I won't wait for any further reopening as thing might well get worse again.

 

Depends how many people have been vaccinated, in my opinion, it is the strain on the health service coming into winter, they have to start, another high season with little tourist will be bad

Why would people pay thousands to leave their own country that has no curfew, no masks, vaccinated population, pubs and restaurants open to visit a developing country with loads of hoops to jump through, COE, ripoff insurance, masks mandatory, a nightime curfew, alcohol banned, bars shut and the threat of 2 weeks in isolation if someone on their flight tests positive?

 

Anyone who comes here for a holiday is a complete fool in my opinion. 

What’s “open” about requiring the navigation of a bureaucratic maze to obtain an approval to enter the country ?  A country, I might add, where nightlife is virtually nonexistent, where you can’t buy a cocktail or bottle of beer without fear of being arrested, and where most businesses are closed?

The PM will do another U Turn and postpone the opening until December 1st by that time it will be to late for the hotels and businesses to welcome punters for the busiest time of the year and yes all the stupid regulations will still exist , bars closed , nighttime curfew, $100,000 Covid Insurance , Rip off tests  the list is never ending the administration has found a way of holding the people hostage in order to control them similar to how the Chinese Regime do to there citizens who refuse to obey the rules