Why so many chinese cars MG cars ? do people only care to buy something cheap, whatever is the quality ?

[kwilco]

5 hours ago, Doctor Tom said:

Their aircraft are terrible.  To date, they have not be able to design and build a jet capable of operating off a carrier.  Their civil aircraft are poor, uneconomic  knock off designs that don't meet western spec. 

False dichotomy.

[Kwasaki]

2 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

By 60's standards maybe.

The MGA was OK never had mates having  trouble with  it.

The B was an engine that was used by race teams type of car racing because it was a reliable lump by all accounts.

My MGB.gt with the 1800 B engine overdrive on 3th and 4th leather seats, sunroof was a trouble free car for the 6 years till sold at a good s/h price,  only the wire wheels were a pain keep having to true them up. 

[Kwasaki]

10 minutes ago, kwilco said:

False dichotomy.

What aircraft is the post about. 

[josephbloggs]

On 5/4/2023 at 5:16 PM, transam said:

The MG, a British car, well it says so on the boot, ????, but in reality one is buying a ride made with Chinese materials, probably the reason they can undercut others in the price range.

In my longish life, I have bought many Chinese made items that have failed or fallen apart, including my wheelbarrow, no undercoat and cr_p metal, rusted away in short order.......

Fascinating story. And how much did you pay for this wheelbarrow? Did you pay a top notch price like a good European wheelbarrow? Or did you buy a cheap product because you are tight then complain when it falls apart not because it was cheap but because it was Chinese?

Most of these Chinese arguments fall down when you bring cost in to it. Pay for cheap junk and you will get cheap junk. But China has proven it can make extremely high quality products - trains, iPhones, luxury bags, fashion, computers, cars, bridges, tunnels - and in many ways it is light years ahead of the US. But because they also make cheap crap that has a market people (well racist people) equate that with their entire manufacturing output which is ridiculous.

[KhunLA]

6 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Once again, your personal opinion does not make it a fact. To be honest, I would be hard pressed to name a single Japanese product I own. My ac is LG as is my Tv and fridge. M fridge freezer is cheap charlie Chinese brand (still works perfectly after 5 yrs). Air purifier, dehumidifier, robot vacuum etc all Chinese. Oh, I remember, one Jap product, a 5 yr old Mazda, that only starts intermittently and dealer’s workshop can’t even identify the problem. I do also own 3 Shoei helmets - top product.

 

China does make a lot of cheap and lower quality products (what you refer to as junk) - they are made to a price point. For eg, you can buy a Chinese made reciprocating saw for half the price of a Makita or De Walt. But unless you are a professional user or a prosumer, the Chinese one will more than satisfy your requirements. Why waste money unnecessarily or worse, deprive yourself of that tool because it’s too expensive? Chinese made products has been a boon to DIYers the world over. And lots of professional woodworkers will tell you that there are many Chinese made products that are on par with Japanese and European made ones at a more affordable price.

 

Get over your prejudices.

Thinking about and same here.  Can't think what I own that is made in Japan. 

 

Maybe one of my older Sony camera lens, though whole operation, most of, has been moved to TH, along with my most recent purchases made in TH. 

 

Best and most expensive lens, and their 'pro' lenses, are still made in China, I think, mine was.

 

Last ICE ... CH

Present EVs, car, MB, ebike ... CH

All drone & RC stuff ... CH

Laptop & TV ... Korea

Solar system components ... CH

 

Previous cars & MBs, JP brand, made in TH, wouldn't buy again.

I think a few other JP brands, but made in CH or TH..

[transam]

15 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

Fascinating story. And how much did you pay for this wheelbarrow? Did you pay a top notch price like a good European wheelbarrow? Or did you buy a cheap product because you are tight then complain when it falls apart not because it was cheap but because it was Chinese?

Most of these Chinese arguments fall down when you bring cost in to it. Pay for cheap junk and you will get cheap junk. But China has proven it can make extremely high quality products - trains, iPhones, luxury bags, fashion, computers, cars, bridges, tunnels - and in many ways it is light years ahead of the US. But because they also make cheap crap that has a market people (well racist people) equate that with their entire manufacturing output which is ridiculous.

I must admit, my wheelbarrow didn't have an MG badge, but it was Chinese.

But as you say, if it is cheap Chinese junk, then perhaps why Chinese MG cars are cheaper than the rest and use the Brit MG logo as a smoke screen,  junk, hmmmmmmmmmmmm................

 

"China is years ahead of the USA", if you say so................????

 

 

[transam]

21 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Thinking about and same here.  Can't think what I own that is made in Japan. 

 

Maybe one of my older Sony camera lens, though whole operation, most of, has been moved to TH, along with my most recent purchases made in TH. 

 

Best and most expensive lens, and their 'pro' lenses, are still made in China, I think, mine was.

 

Last ICE ... CH

Present EVs, car, MB, ebike ... CH

All drone & RC stuff ... CH

Laptop & TV ... Korea

Solar system components ... CH

 

Previous cars & MBs, JP brand, made in TH, wouldn't buy again.

I think a few other JP brands, but made in CH or TH..

Yes, China make other countries stuff, probably under their strict control using the Chinese cheap labour, same as Thailand and now India are doing.

 

The British MG is just a name for a Chinese car, end of...????

[kwilco]

basically there are a group of people on this thread who either don't like or fear the Chinese. As a result they want to "knock" everything Chinese. They then look around and cherry-pick ideas that back up their own prejudices - it shows a paucity of thought and a lack of critical thinking.

 

The truth is that Chinese are capable of making the highest quality of products in ANY field - they make Apple computers, Tesla cars, Mercs and BMWs. A couple of decades ago they were making old model GM Cavaliers. now they are making ground breaking electronic cars.

This progress may be government subsidised or what ever - but that means the prices can be impossibly cheap and outside markets don't stand a chance unless they really reconsider their situation.....the old  fuddy-duddies on this thread are a fine example of the thinking that will allow China to totally dominate the world automobile market in less than a decade ... with products that are already equal to or superior to anything in the West and probably even Japan - at least they are more aware of the position- why do you think they are so keen on hydrogen power?

 

[DavisH]

4 hours ago, transam said:

"China is years ahead of the USA",

I'm waiting to see if the Chinese built tesla's are better built than the US ones...their reputation is not so crash hot. 

[owl sees all]

 

Saw a pick-up MG last month. Black; not yellow like the cars.

 

[Pink Mist]

A series of baiting, bickering, off topic replies and name calling posts have been removed. Please keep civil.

[transam]

11 hours ago, owl sees all said:

 

Saw a pick-up MG last month. Black; not yellow like the cars.

 

That pick-up is a Chinese Maxus truck, made to look like a British pick-up....????

[KhunLA]

People need to consider, the 4 largest auto manufacturers in China are 'state owned' / subsidizes if you want to call it that.  Means they aren't price gouging the customer like a private/public corporation would.  

 

That aspect of socialism/communism, works well for the people & state.  Pricing in CH is a bit different than exported prices, and not all because of import tariffs.   Simple because some markets will tolerate a higher price.

 

Also why CH cars, on the whole are less expensive, in those markets.

 

That the MGs in TH, sell at realistic price vs competition, even against the pricing of entry level 'made in TH' cars, tells you, you are getting a bargain.  Even though priced and sold in CH to the middle class.

 

Vehicles sold to the not so middle class in CH, are price gouged here.  The Wuling & Pocco minis are a fine example, as 2X the price than CH.  Why they don't sell very well here.

 

 

[Andrew Dwyer]

11 hours ago, owl sees all said:

 

Saw a pick-up MG last month. Black; not yellow like the cars.

 

The MG Extender pick up comes in 5 colours ( white, silver, grey, black and red ) the cars also come in a similar range of colours, some including blue.

Yellow is only for the MG3 and MG5 i believe.

 The latest, MG4 EV, has a great new light blue colour ( Holborn Blue ) but for some reason they don’t have the bright orange colour as used in the U.K. 

The first ZS ev variant came only in a pastel blue colour but the 2nd variant has more colours available.

Thinking about it MG has a wide range of colours.

[Gweiloman]

12 hours ago, DavisH said:

I'm waiting to see if the Chinese built tesla's are better built than the US ones...their reputation is not so crash hot. 

Considering that China build rather good trains and tracks, I’m sure they can build better Teslas if that’s the goal…

[transam]

7 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Considering that China build rather good trains and tracks, I’m sure they can build better Teslas if that’s the goal…

You mean, like their 747..............????

[owl sees all]

42 minutes ago, transam said:

That pick-up is a Chinese Maxus truck, made to look like a British pick-up....????

You certainly know your stuff Trans.

 

 

 

 

 

[mistral53]

12 hours ago, DavisH said:

I'm waiting to see if the Chinese built tesla's are better built than the US ones...their reputation is not so crash hot. 

If you were sincerely interested in an answer to that question, you could find the answer very easily yourself. (this is just one of many reviews that come up with identical results)

https://electrek.co/2020/08/03/tesla-made-in-china-cars-lead-market-quality/

 

But your question was never about Tesla quality, just an underhanded attempt to suggest a narrative that suits your agenda.

[owl sees all]

44 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

The MG Extender pick up comes in 5 colours ( white, silver, grey, black and red ) the cars also come in a similar range of colours, some including blue.

Yellow is only for the MG3 and MG5 i believe.

 The latest, MG4 EV, has a great new light blue colour ( Holborn Blue ) but for some reason they don’t have the bright orange colour as used in the U.K. 

The first ZS ev variant came only in a pastel blue colour but the 2nd variant has more colours available.

Thinking about it MG has a wide range of colours.

I notice white MGs lately. Yellow is the one the Thais seem to like. This one in the village t'other day. Parked outside the general store.

 

[KhunLA]

22 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

You certainly know your stuff Trans.

 

 

 

 

 

Anyone thinking about buying should know those things.  Common knowledge for any savvy shopper.   How people don't know that is surprising.

 

If I'm spending more than ฿500 for something, I'm researching it.

[KhunLA]

12 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

I notice white MGs lately. Yellow is the one the Thais seem to like. This one in the village t'other day. Parked outside the general store.

 

White is just too practical in the tropics ... IF ... you keep it clean.  Why we went with silver ... ????

 

Would have preferred to stay with red, but not available in our 'D' model, ZS, only 'X' version of ZS, offering more colors than W/B/S.  Actually an inexpensive upgrade, but didn't want the options that come with it.

[petermik]

21 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

I notice white MGs lately. Yellow is the one the Thais seem to like. This one in the village t'other day. Parked outside the general store.

 

 

Yellow is only available in the top of the range X version within the 5 Series....mines white in the D grade.....didn`t fancy a sunroof over here which is standard in the D+ and X variations ????

cars running fine BTW ????

[Gweiloman]

12 hours ago, mistral53 said:

If you were sincerely interested in an answer to that question, you could find the answer very easily yourself. (this is just one of many reviews that come up with identical results)

https://electrek.co/2020/08/03/tesla-made-in-china-cars-lead-market-quality/

 

But your question was never about Tesla quality, just an underhanded attempt to suggest a narrative that suits your agenda.

Yes, there are some posters who, presumably due to ingrained bias and prejudice, refuse to accept that some Chinese companies are capable of manufacturing top quality products. My phone, electric toothbrush, self cleaning robot vacuum etc (Chinese made) are easily as well made (if not better) than many European products I have purchased over the years.

 

 I do have a complaint about my Haval H6 though. I can’t close the door like it is a Toyota. I have to slam it shut like it’s an Audi.

[KhunLA]

On 5/6/2023 at 8:34 PM, DavisH said:

I'm waiting to see if the Chinese built tesla's are better built than the US ones...their reputation is not so crash hot. 

"Chinese cars are among the safest of 2022 in the EuroNCAP tests"

Tesla Model Y, that was tested, was 'made in CH'

https://time.news/chinese-cars-are-among-the-safest-of-2022-in-the-euroncap-tests/

 

"MG Mulan and 2 Other Chinese Cars Earn 5-Stars In Latest Euro-NCAP Ratings

 

https://carnewschina.com/2022/12/07/mg-mulan-and-2-other-chinese-cars-earn-5-stars-in-latest-euro-ncap-ratings/

[sotonowl]

On 10/18/2021 at 12:30 PM, leba said:

People have no interest in quality ?

I'm afraid I'd have to question your interpretation of quality. Quality doesn't mean the best, it means fitness for purpose and giving the customer what he/she wants.

[KhunLA]

????

 

[transam]

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

And over to those well made Jap cars ... busted:

https://www.transcontinentaltimes.com/toyota-yaris-safety-test-issue/

 

 

A door problem...................????

[3NUMBAS]

the chinese seagull seems to be getting a lot of attention as its so cheap and does 272m range..size of a mini

maybe worth a look

[matchar]

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I guess the problem with Japanese cars is they are made in Thailand...

 

I would prefer a car made in China personally.

[transam]

1 minute ago, matchar said:

I guess the problem with Japanese cars is they are made in Thailand...

 

I would prefer a car made in China personally.

Japanese cars are assembled in Thailand, they are Japanese engineering designed.

State your reasons for preferring a Chinese made car......?