International airlines return 80% of their airport slots in Thailand for the next five months

[sirineou]

59 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Bad luck, it's here to stay.

If it it's render innocuous through vaccinations and treatments, who cares? Just another seasonal flue like virus. I am sure development will continue, but for mow we need to get out of this malaise that threatens us physically. mentally and economically.  

[MrJ2U]

12 hours ago, Shuya said:

With the current 'no-quaratine' rules no wonder only a few peoole will come

People have to quarantine when they back get also in certain countries.

 

1 day in quarantine beginning November first is nothing.

 

The bigger reason is Thailand is having a terrible controlling the pandemic and there vaccination rates are horrible.

 

You might be able to fly here but if another wave comes, and it will, getting back home is another matter.

 

 

Edited October 25, 2021 by MrJ2U

[VBF]

11 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

The Thailand big-wigs have been predicting 100,000+ this year after 1st November and then 14,000,000 tourists next year.

 

Now my question is if (yes if) 100,000 come at the end of this year, ignoring the airline issues, at what point is Thailand going to completely abandon its entry requirements to make the tourists come and the airlines start arriving as before.

 

Way I see it is that to hit 14 million they are going to have to have all the airlines flying into Thailand by end of March and entry requirements nearly all gone. As getting near 14,000,000 if only 100,000-200,000 come in the first Q next year, is not possible. Carrying on with the entry requirements next year will lead to less than 500,000 - and Thailand cannot afford that in 2022.

 

Drop the daft entry requirements and the airlines will start coming - airlines it appears have more grip on reality than the TAT.

 

Really Mr Coleman - fancy using "reality" and "TAT" in the same sentence ???? 

[poskat]

55 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Quite odd actually that the TAT is coming up with such ridiculous numbers and then Thailand imposing such ridiculous restrictions as to make the TAT predictions so ridiculously impossible !

I think both stem from the belief by the powers that be here that people will do anything to come to thailand ASAP.

 

Its almost like TAT et al. think that thailand has an expiration date, and people cant just say sod all these hoops and restrictions, we'll go in a year or two...

 

this is despite the results of the phuket sandbox showing them otherwise....

 

it turns out the beaches, temples, food, and smiles arent the draw they were thought to be

[VBF]

5 hours ago, ftpjtm said:

There certainly are some who don't mind the testing, quarantine and insurance requirements. And don't mind vacationing in a country with no night life. 

 

But apparently the airlines are betting that only 20% of those who traditionally visit Thailand are willing to put up with all of that.

And, being intelligently run businesses, I would be far more likely to believe them than some "pie in the sky" figure from TAT or The Chuckle Brothers. 

[KhaoYai]

12 hours ago, webfact said:

He disclosed that the lowest point for the aviation industry in Thailand was from July to September, this year, after the Thai government suspended all regular flights

Strange, as far as I know there were plenty of flights during that period - my wife was on one of them. She could be lying of course.

[86Tiger]

"......it turns out the beaches, temples, food, and smiles arent the draw they were thought to be......"

 

 

 

That is the draw, but must be considered in context of the competition.

 

There are 100s of places on this earth that offer same.  Relatively cheap and easy yo get to has always been the advantage of Thailand.  Eliminate either and Thailand is just another place.

 

Currently, they have eliminated both.   Let travelers learn there are other cheap, easy alternatives and Thailand is forgotten faster than yesterday's daydream.

 

[Ty Hareways]

10 hours ago, scorecard said:

Also, easy to fix, just change the test on arrival to one of the very reliable accurate fast response (15 - 20 minutes) tests and add the cost into the ticket price.

 

Done. 

'Very reliable' is not fully reliable though.

Could you imagine a family of four taking the risk of all being banged up for 14 days for their yearly holiday.

My 4 pals and i have all cancelled our Christmas holidays due to the test on arrival, we will try again for March, if there is still the test on arrival requirement then we will cancel again.

[10baht]

2 hours ago, sirineou said:

You need a second test because you have traveled in a plane and has transited in an airport where you have mixed with people from all over the world,

Your missing the point.  If I change planes 4 or 6 or 8 or 10 hours before getting to BKK and happen to be exposed at that point, your unlikely to test positive, where waiting a few day will give a bet realistic result. It is a money grab,

[sirineou]

29 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

People have to quarantine when they back get also in certain countries.

 

1 day in quarantine beginning November first is nothing.

 

The bigger reason is Thailand is having a terrible controlling the pandemic and there vaccination rates are horrible.

 

You might be able to fly here but if another wave comes, and it will, getting back home is another matter.

 

 

That's one thing I am afraid of also. Now that we can come back without any real quarantine, we want to do some traveling, But what if thing deteriorate here in Thailand and they close up again while we are abroad? 

[david555]

13 hours ago, fusion58 said:

Wait a minute…

 

If they do this, then who will transport the million wealthy foreigners Thailand is expecting any day now? ????

Those would have to own their own private jets of course  by  Thai Gov. 's dream preference of tourists....

[edwinchester]

35 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

Strange, as far as I know there were plenty of flights during that period - my wife was on one of them. She could be lying of course.

I think alot of the flights were probably repatriation flights.

[sirineou]

27 minutes ago, 10baht said:

Your missing the point.  If I change planes 4 or 6 or 8 or 10 hours before getting to BKK and happen to be exposed at that point, your unlikely to test positive, where waiting a few day will give a bet realistic result. It is a money grab,

I get your point and I agree that three days is barely adequate, but it is a compromise between safety and expediency , I don't think this system is a money grab, I think it is designed to make it palatable for public consumption, Can you imagine the outcry if tourists were allowed into the country  with no test? 

And if things go south there will be plausible deniability. For the politicians. 

 

Another thing to consider is  the overall time from the time you were tested to the time you arrive  is 3-4 days. Time on the plane is one concern but not the only concern.  

in addition not everyone that has a 4-10 travel time. Here in the east coast of the US we have a minimum of 23 hrs and with layovers it can be as long as 43 hours.

From England  with layovers it can take as long as 15 hours. A lot can happen in 15 -43 hours. 

Is the currently proposed system perfect?

far from it.

But at this time it is a good compromise between safety and expediency both actual and political. 

Edited October 25, 2021 by sirineou

[Artisi]

30 minutes ago, sirineou said:

That's one thing I am afraid of also. Now that we can come back without any real quarantine, we want to do some traveling, But what if thing deteriorate here in Thailand and they close up again while we are abroad? 

You will probably enjoy a long holiday where ever you are - not unlike all the Aussies who got stuck and some still stuck O/S at the moment. 

[Salerno]

53 minutes ago, 10baht said:

where waiting a few day will give a bet realistic result.

Hence the ATK you have to do on day 6/7.

[Nabby]

Thailand is a basket case, on par with the Philippines and soon to resemble Mindanao. The Islamic Republic of Thailand is just a notch above Myanmar. Cambodia blows Thailand out of the water. 

[ukrules]

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

If it it's render innocuous through vaccinations and treatments, who cares? Just another seasonal flue like virus. I am sure development will continue, but for mow we need to get out of this malaise that threatens us physically. mentally and economically.  

I'm prepared for a couple of years of utter insanity which will humble a lot of governments into complete and utter defeat.

 

The above stage hasn't started yet.

[stoutfella]

How are the millions of anticipated tourist going to get here, overland or by sea?

[scorecard]

1 hour ago, Ty Hareways said:

'Very reliable' is not fully reliable though.

Could you imagine a family of four taking the risk of all being banged up for 14 days for their yearly holiday.

My 4 pals and i have all cancelled our Christmas holidays due to the test on arrival, we will try again for March, if there is still the test on arrival requirement then we will cancel again.

QUOTE:  

 

"... 'Very reliable' is not fully reliable though.

Could you imagine a family of four taking the risk of all being banged up for 14 days for their yearly holiday...."

 

The swab test is also not 100% accurate/foolproof.

 

Right now there's a nasty, dangerous, very fast spreading global epidemic. If any country finds locals or travelers who are positive they will react; isolate, hospital, treat etc., can't expect anything else. 

 

If anybody decides to travel there's risk and cost. Up 2 U.

 

 

Edited October 25, 2021 by scorecard

[ThailandRyan]

3 hours ago, Salerno said:

Hence the ATK you have to do on day 6/7.

And when staying in your own humble abode and not a Hotel because your not a tourist, what the hell do you do with the test after you take it.....

[ThailandRyan]

3 hours ago, stoutfella said:

How are the millions of anticipated tourist going to get here, overland or by sea?

Hot air balloon......filled by the hot air of the Thai cabinet and the minister of TAT.

[Salerno]

1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

And when staying in your own humble abode and not a Hotel because your not a tourist, what the hell do you do with the test after you take it.....

Upload the results to the MorChana App as instructed (they obviously didn't think it through fully as supposed to show the results to "staff at the hotel or accommodation" as well ... guessing they forgot people will be off and running after the first negative!)

 

 

[ThailandRyan]

5 minutes ago, Salerno said:

Upload the results to the MorChana App as instructed (they obviously didn't think it through fully as supposed to show the results to "staff at the hotel or accommodation" as well ... guessing they forgot people will be off and running after the first negative!)

 

 

I saw the new icon added to the app today as well.

[Salerno]

1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

I saw the new icon added to the app today as well.

Have you had any problems with it? Seen numerous reports saying it keeps crashing on launch for some people.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, ThailandRyan said:

I saw the new icon added to the app today as well.

Interesting dispatch from Richard Barrow, he's going through the motions of the new system and is describing in detail the procedures and some of the requirements including exactly where you have to go and what to do on arrival, how long to book the SHA+ for etc

 

https://www.getrevue.co/profile/richardbarrow/issues/reopening-of-thailand-dispatch-1-826907

[kwonitoy]

Don't need landing slots if nobody's flying.

Pictures from Oct 20. Bangkok airport dead as a dodo. Very few shops open, the majority boarded up. Narita, not quite as deserted, some shops open but not boarded up like Bangkok. Vancouver, bustling busy arrivals and departures.

 

Udon Thani to Bangkok Oct 19, full flight. No empty seats

Bangkok to Narita had maybe 40 passengers in a 787, a row to stretch out in for everyone.

Narita to Vancouver maybe 100 pass. in a 787

Vancouver to Edmonton, full flight.

 

Edited October 25, 2021 by kwonitoy

[ThailandRyan]

37 minutes ago, Salerno said:

Have you had any problems with it? Seen numerous reports saying it keeps crashing on launch for some people.

No issues, but now when I checked it the only thing available is a QR scanner to scan a QR code.

[Chad3000]

8 hours ago, Golden Triangle said:

Having lived in the greater Pattaya area for 10 years & was visiting the same areas for at least 6 years prior to retiring here, I have seen and done every tourist attraction, temple and the whole of the country your statement holds no water, how many times do I have to go to Nong Nooch gardens, Sanctuary of Truth, Mini Siam, et al ??

 

I have had friends visit us, family visit us, they all demand a guided tour and taxi driver, I am sick to death of people like yourself who blindly state their are plenty of attractions to visit, I've been there, done it & got the T shirt more than once.

I've been in and out of Thailand 30 years and never been to those places. I even lived in Pattaya for five years. Those are pretty low brow activities. Why not try some nature and national parks?? Tons of better stuff to do than that nonsense.

[ukrules]

8 hours ago, poskat said:

I think both stem from the belief by the powers that be here that people will do anything to come to thailand ASAP.

That's exactly what it is.

 

It's going to be hilarious when they realise nobody cares even a tiny bit about the country, and why should they, after all it's just a holiday.

 

No beer = no tourists, it's as simple as that.

 

I'm just wondering which country in this warm part of the world will take all their business.

 

Edited October 25, 2021 by ukrules

[impulse]

Given that 70% of tourists were coming from China pre-Covid, is it fair to blame Thai policies when China, Aus, NZ and other countries are locked down? 

 

Even if Thailand eliminated the hurdles, opened the bars and offered free soapies on arrival, the vast majority of tourists can't leave their own countries.  And some that can have to quarantine when they get back home.