This is a rather startling statistic.  It analyzes death rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated patients.  

 

https://medicalpartnership.usg.edu/covid-19-staggering-statistic-98-to-99-of-americans-dying-are-unvaccinated/

Staggering? I would say OBVIOUS.

^  I agree.   This has been the story for some time.  In the next 60 to 45 days another 60K people are going to die who don't need to.  Today they are as healthy as anyone reading this text and then they will get sick and will be begging for help.   Sad, stupid, silly - pick your description. 

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Age related restriction were all lifted in April, 2020.  All adults were eligible for a vaccination as of April 20, 2020.  

From the link ...........

"The analysis was released in May of 2021 ......"

In the US now, California specifically.  Hospitals here in Riverside County have many unvaccinated admitted.  My mother who has COPD and CHF was in a negative pressure room for 2 says and today they moved her to going in a Covid patient....good thing we are having her moved home on hospice in a few hours.

Although like a lot of us I tend to blame those people for bringing death upon themselves, but they are also victims of the right-wing scam.

 

Remember when the Republicans were going on about "death panels" which they imagined in Obamacare.  That was before they decide to convert their followers into lemmings.

17 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

From the link ...........

"The analysis was released in May of 2021 ......"

And how could the proportion of people dying have shifted against the vaccinated? That statistic is likely to have remained similar.

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

And how could the proportion of people dying have shifted against the vaccinated? That statistic is likely to have remained similar.

It hasn't, but the anti-vaxx crowd will now start trying to discredit the information.  If they can make enough noise banging empty drums, maybe no one will hear the message.   

 

I wish they stopped making that point. It will not convince the antivaxxers, quite the reverse. If something is true you don't parrot it day after day.

20 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

From the link ...........

"The analysis was released in May of 2021 ......"

So, all adults were eligible in April of 2020.  This is 13 months after what was the largest mass vaccination in US history. 

"The data show large pockets of unvaccinated or partially vaccinated people in the US have placed more pressure on hospitals during the Omicron wave than in European nations with higher immunisation rates. The analysis supports the findings of scientists and accounts of frontline medics who say lower vaccination levels are perpetuating the pandemic in the US."

 

Top-line: if US had matched vaccination coverage of leading European countries, it would have *halved* its Covid hospitalisations

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1488084513829924867

https://www.ft.com/content/03aa46e2-ac3a-4c16-82be-431ea4c43e58

Live free, or die?

 

 

Evidently "Bodily Sovereignty" is a thing now. But not apparently when it comes to women of a certain age?

 

 

Man who claims he is being denied heart transplant due to being unvaccinated for COVID-19 gets heart pump

 

https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2022/01/28/heart-transplant-covid-vaccine-brigham-and-womens/

32 minutes ago, JackGats said:

I wish they stopped making that point. It will not convince the antivaxxers, quite the reverse. If something is true you don't parrot it day after day.

Sad some fall for the misinformation.  One reason incentives are now necessary.  Positive (cash, etc) or negative (restrictions, vaccine mandates, financial penalties.).

 

Too bad it has to come to this, but the majority of us who are vaccinated want to get this pandemic behind us.  Time for them to get vaccinated.

Stunning the unvaxxed still don't get it.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60133618

 

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Daily US death toll from Covid now matches Delta

 

"When you have a more transmissible virus, it would exponentialise the number of severe cases and deaths. Even if you have a low percentage of severe cases, the absolute number can still be quite high. A small percentage of a very large number is still a large number."

 

Additionally, statistics suggest that the unvaccinated are approximately 100 times more likely to die from Covid-19 than those who have been vaccinated and boosted.

 

"The common thread throughout the Omicron wave is that it is largely impacting the unvaccinated, in terms of severity of illness, hospitalisation rates and indeed, risk of dying from the infection," said Dr Mark Cameron, an associate professor in the department of population and quantitative health sciences at Case Western University in Ohio. "It's crystal clear".

 

 

46 minutes ago, JackGats said:

I wish they stopped making that point. It will not convince the antivaxxers, quite the reverse. If something is true you don't parrot it day after day.

There's also a case to say that misinforamtion/dangerous misinformation should be regularly challenged / proven to be incorrect and dangerously misleading.

 

 

 

22 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Live free, or die?

 

 

Evidently "Bodily Sovereignty" is a thing now. But not apparently when it comes to women of a certain age?

 

 

Man who claims he is being denied heart transplant due to being unvaccinated for COVID-19 gets heart pump

 

https://www.boston.com/news/coronavirus/2022/01/28/heart-transplant-covid-vaccine-brigham-and-womens/

This is a little off-topic, but it should be noted that when a person has an organ transplant, the human immune system has to be massively depressed to prevent rejecting the organ.  Without the supplement of a vaccine that is able to target a particular pathogen, there is a very, very serious chance that an infection will have a negative outcome.  

5 hours ago, ozimoron said:

And how could the proportion of people dying have shifted against the vaccinated? That statistic is likely to have remained similar.

Not sure if this was sarcastic or not. But of course the % of those who die (that are unvaccinated) will gradually fall from 100% (when there was 0% vaccination coverage) to 0% (in the theoretical case where 100% of the population is vaccinated). Indeed, that's what we are seeing.

 

Although I don't have a link for deaths, here's one (BMJ, not some rag) that talks about vaccination rates amongst those in critical care.

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o5

 

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Its latest report, published on 31 December, showed that the proportion of patients admitted to critical care in December 2021 with confirmed covid-19 who were unvaccinated was 61%. This proportion had previously fallen from 75% in May 2021 to 47% in October 2021—consistent with the decreasing proportion of the general population who were unvaccinated—before rising again in December 2021.

The important statistic is not the vac. vs. unvac. proportion of those in critical care (or deaths), but what your chances are when vac. vs. unvac. Bottom line, you're at least 10 times better off vaccinated than unvaccinated.

2 minutes ago, marcardar said:

Not sure if this was sarcastic or not. But of course the % of those who die (that are unvaccinated) will gradually fall from 100% (when there was 0% vaccination coverage) to 0% (in the theoretical case where 100% of the population is vaccinated). Indeed, that's what we are seeing.

 

Although I don't have a link for deaths, here's one (BMJ, not some rag) that talks about vaccination rates amongst those in critical care.

 

https://www.bmj.com/content/376/bmj.o5

 

The important statistic is not the vac. vs. unvac. proportion of those in critical care (or deaths), but what your chances are when vac. vs. unvac. Bottom line, you're about 10 times better off vaccinated than unvaccinated.

My point is that the "ten times better off" won't change.

2 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

My point is that the "ten times better off" won't change.

That's not true either, because existing vaccines will be less effective against new variants.

 

But anyway, the original post was specifically about the proportion of those dying, and that will of course decrease from 100% towards 0%. Not linearly, but still it will decrease.

5 minutes ago, marcardar said:

That's not true either, because existing vaccines will be less effective against new variants.

 

But anyway, the original post was specifically about the proportion of those dying, and that will of course decrease from 100% towards 0%. Not linearly, but still it will decrease.

No, for every 100 unvaccinated people who die, 1 or 2 vaccinated people will die. That number will not change unless the vaccines change or new variants arrive. That's what the Op says.

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

No, for every 100 unvaccinated people who die, 1 or 2 vaccinated people will die. That number will not change unless the vaccines change or new variants arrive. That's what the Op says.

Not sure if you're trolling or not. But of course that is not true. Simply consider the case where every single person is vaccinated. Then of course 0% of the people who die will be unvaccinated. Have a read of the quote and link I posted.

Just now, marcardar said:

Not sure if you're trolling or not. But of course that is not true. Simply consider the case where every single person is vaccinated. Then of course 0% of the people who die will be unvaccinated. Have read of the quote and link I posted.

What you are suggesting is that the propensity for dying can change and I'm saying that it can't, corrected for vaccine efficacy and virus severity.

1 minute ago, marcardar said:

Not sure if you're trolling or not. But of course that is not true. Simply consider the case where every single person is vaccinated. Then of course 0% of the people who die will be unvaccinated. Have a read of the quote and link I posted.

And this is what's being used by the anti vaxxers.  Look at Israel!  Heavily vaccinated and still getting lots of cases.  They use this to prove the vaccine doesn't work.  Which we all know, it does. LOL

1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

And this is what's being used by the anti vaxxers.  Look at Israel!  Heavily vaccinated and still getting lots of cases.  They use this to prove the vaccine doesn't work.  Which we all know, it does. LOL

What's interesting is that people on all sides don't understand basic statistics.

4 minutes ago, marcardar said:

What's interesting is that people on all sides don't understand basic statistics.

My favorite chapter in stat class was: How to lie with statistics. LOL

7 minutes ago, marcardar said:

What's interesting is that people on all sides don't understand basic statistics.

Let's get this perfectly clear. The stats provided in that sample showed that 99% of those who died were unvaccinated. That percentage will NEVER change. If more people get vaccinated the total numbers of people dying will reduce but whatever the number of people dying, 99% will be unvaccinated.

As there is nothing in the way of clinical studies of the adverse effects, and we have no idea who those people are, what they suffered from, or any other data. What we do know is that the anti-vax movement is using bizarre stats and podcasts from sociopaths like Joe Rogan and Tucker Carlson, to create fear, and discourage society from being reasonable, and doing what it can to prevent further spread. 

 

Let's deal with facts for a moment. We do know that well over 6 billion have received at least one dose worldwide, and well over 3 billion have been fully vaccinated, according to multiple sources. If you take a body of 3 billion people, 3 million or one tenth of one percent, are going to get sick from something every year, and die, or die of natural causes. Was it the vaccine? Do we know? Will we ever know? 

 

The 15,000 deaths are far less interesting, as they represent less deaths than would normally occur, from such a huge population group. In 2015, 55 million people died of something worldwide. That is about 4.6 million people per month. So, the 15,000 means less than zero, within a group that huge, lacking any clinical evidence.

 

I am far more interested in science, than I am in fear mongering. And even though I am not a VAX guy, I feel at this time, getting a high quality vaccine represents a reasonable fulfillment of an obligation to society, and a minor sacrifice for anti-vax people to make. Doubly so for the ones who run around draping themselves in a flag of patriotism. 

 

Refusing to take a vaccine, to benefit society and bring society back, is about as sensible as believing the earth is flat. Imagine making a sacrifice for your country? What a concept. Many of the fake patriots would wet their pants if they were ever asked to truly protect their nation or serve in any manner.

 

I am not a big Vax guy. Haven't gotten one in decades. However, this time it feels different. Kind of like giving something back to society?

 

It is the nutters and Vax extremists who seem to be reinforcing Darwin's theories and thinning their own population, all at the same time. What can one say? 

 

And within that anti vax group, it is the subgroup that drapes themselves in a flag of fake patriotism, all the while ranting about their willingness to die for their country, that are the most annoying. They have finally been given an ideal platform to demonstrate their absolute patriotism. Now, "freedom and liberty" are the issues, not courage. Sorry. Not buying their stories. It is a demonstration of utter cowardice. 

 

A kindergartener has to have some vaccines before being allowed into school, pandemic or not. I know you think you're being brave by doing this based on a "principle," but are you at least as brave as a kindergartener?

Darwinism at work.

4 minutes ago, Stocky said:

Darwinism at work.

https://news.yahoo.com/low-education-levels-strongly-tied-160100441.html

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Low Education Levels Strongly Tied to Being Unvaccinated