Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[Bkk Brian]

25 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

I don't thing some of them are, to be frank we still don't what the actual situation is.

France 24 is still showing film from 2 days ago.

Whats france 24 showing a 2 day old film got to do with anything, they also have a live feed up to the minute

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20220226-live-ukraine-vows-to-fight-on-as-kyiv-readies-for-russian-missile-attacks

 

2 minutes ago

Ukraine claims to have expelled Russian troops from its second city Kharkiv in the east of the country after Russian armoured vehicles got through its defences.

[Kwasaki]

9 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

No, your POV is not neutral, as you keep repeating that Ukraine should surrender. How is that neutral?

Meaning I'm neutral doesn't forbid a viewpoint.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

This is interesting from the president of Ukraine. Any of the UK folks know what the "combat capabilities" reference below involves?

 

 

[rudi49jr]

1 minute ago, Kwasaki said:

Meaning I'm neutral doesn't forbid a viewpoint.

 

How about the viewpoint that the Russians should stop their criminal invasion and withdraw all their troops from Ukrainian territory? That would surely solve the situation, wouldn’t it? But somehow I have never seen you mention anything like that. Hmmm….

[Kwasaki]

16 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

How about the viewpoint that the Russians should stop their criminal invasion and withdraw all their troops from Ukrainian territory? That would surely solve the situation, wouldn’t it? But somehow I have never seen you mention anything like that. Hmmm….

why would I mention that I have no idea whether that would solve the situation.

What will be will be and it's seems nobody knows anything of what's actually going happen yet.

[rudi49jr]

16 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

why would I mention that I have no idea whether that would solve the situation.

What will be will be and it's seems nobody knows anything of what's actually going happen yet.

Either you really don’t have a clue what’s going on, or you’re being a shill, like someone already stated. I know what my money is on. Good luck with being ‘neutral’. 

[Jingthing]

Keep in mind thanks to Putin Ukraine is an active war zone.

So as in any war, there is the fog of war.

The odds are still overwhelming that Russia will meet its war goals followed by a resistance.

I heard that Macron said today that could drag on for years.

I said the same thing before.

For Ukraine to win this initial war phase would be a miracle.

[Chris.B]

7 minutes ago....

 

Kharkiv is completely under control of Ukraine.

- ZSU, National Police, Teroborona are cleaning the city from the enemy.

- The enemy is demoralized. They throw away the equipment, they surrender themselves to a group of 5-10 people.  

 

Source: Land forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine

 

[Bkk Brian]

Putin, raising the rhetoric and scaremongering. Absolute nutcase!

 

By ASSOCIATED PRESS |

PUBLISHED: February 27, 2022 at 8:40 a.m. | UPDATED: February 27, 2022

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — In a dramatic escalation of East-West tensions over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, President Vladimir Putin ordered Russian nuclear deterrent forces put on high alert Sunday in response to what he called “aggressive statements” by leading NATO powers.

The order means Putin has ordered Russia’s nuclear weapons prepared for increased readiness to launch, raising the threat that the tensions could boil over into a nuclear war. In giving it, the Russian leader also cited hard-hitting financial sanctions imposed by the West against Russia, including Putin himself.

 

https://www.readingeagle.com/2022/02/27/putin-puts-russias-nuclear-forces-on-alert-cites-sanctions/

[Jingthing]

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Putin, raising the rhetoric and scaremongering. Absolute nutcase!

 

By ASSOCIATED PRESS |

PUBLISHED: February 27, 2022 at 8:40 a.m. | UPDATED: February 27, 2022

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — In a dramatic escalation of East-West tensions over Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, President Vladimir Putin ordered Russian nuclear deterrent forces put on high alert Sunday in response to what he called “aggressive statements” by leading NATO powers.

The order means Putin has ordered Russia’s nuclear weapons prepared for increased readiness to launch, raising the threat that the tensions could boil over into a nuclear war. In giving it, the Russian leader also cited hard-hitting financial sanctions imposed by the West against Russia, including Putin himself.

 

https://www.readingeagle.com/2022/02/27/putin-puts-russias-nuclear-forces-on-alert-cites-sanctions/

He's getting on. May as well take the rest of the world along for the ride  I understand Russians being brainwashed by nationalism and propaganda but I can't understand the support he gets from westerners.

So he's very dangerous now. Sounds like he feels that he's losing.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Jingthing said:

He's getting on. May as well take the rest of the world along for the ride  I understand Russians being brainwashed by nationalism and propaganda but I can't understand the support he gets from westerners.

So he's very dangerous now. Sounds like he feels that he's losing.

Yea, its not been as easy as he thought it was going to be, the BBC is also now carrying the nuke statement, additionally unverified reports of Belarus sending forces into Ukraine

 

Reports suggest Belarus prepares to send its troops to Ukraine, joining Putin in war

 

 

[tgw]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

He's getting on. May as well take the rest of the world along for the ride  I understand Russians being brainwashed by nationalism and propaganda but I can't understand the support he gets from westerners.

So he's very dangerous now. Sounds like he feels that he's losing.

seeing how well Ukrainian forces are resisting, I wonder if the whole thing has not been planned as a bear trap.

[CharlieH]

Russia anounces Strategic Nuclear forces put on "High Alert" !(BBC News)

[tgw]

1 minute ago, CharlieH said:

Russia anounces Strategic Nuclear forces put on "High Alert" !(BBC News)

it's complete madness, they put it on high alert because Russia feels threatened in its "defensive war" it itself started abroad?

[rudi49jr]

Just read that Ukraine and Russia will start negotiations on the Ukraine - Belarus border. Hope they can work something out before things get really out of hand, but somehow I doubt it. Putin will probably come with some crazy demands, like he has been doing from the start.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

15 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Just read that Ukraine and Russia will start negotiations on the Ukraine - Belarus border. Hope they can work something out before things get really out of hand, but somehow I doubt it. Putin will probably come with some crazy demands, like he has been doing from the start.

 

From the Associated Press:

 

"Around the same time as Putin’s nuclear move, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s office said on the Telegram messaging app that the two sides would meet at an unspecified location on the Belarusian border. The message did not give a precise time for the meeting.

 

The announcement came hours after Russia announced that its delegation had flown to Belarus to await talks. Ukrainian officials initially rejected the move, saying any talks should take place elsewhere than Belarus, where Russia placed a large contingent of troops. Belarus was one of the places from where Russian troops entered Ukraine."

 

https://www.readingeagle.com/2022/02/27/putin-puts-russias-nuclear-forces-on-alert-cites-sanctions/

 

 

 

[Saanim]

1 hour ago, Kwasaki said:

Ukraine reports 198 people killed, 1 is to many but seeing as it's a war that seems a low estimate of death.

Ukraine reports over 4000 Russian solders killed it's a peculiar type of war so far.

Haven't we been told that the Russians have 100,000 (140,000, 180,000, you name it) soldiers at the their border? Then, after all, the invasion is not so impressive, is it?

 

Surprisingly, we did not hear any numbers of the Ukraine's armies. But somewhere was mentioned that Zelensky advising the remaining citizens to fill up bottles for Molotov cocktail.  In that case, the results are pretty impressive, aren't they?

   

[Chomper Higgot]

30 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

Russia anounces Strategic Nuclear forces put on "High Alert" !(BBC News)

Because they can’t win a street battle.

 

Utter hogwash.

[Saanim]

10 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Just read that Ukraine and Russia will start negotiations on the Ukraine - Belarus border. Hope they can work something out before things get really out of hand, but somehow I doubt it. Putin will probably come with some crazy demands, like he has been doing from the start.

As a matter of fact, the negotiations were planned already for Friday and Zelensky first agreed (did we hear about that?).  For that the Russians ceased the fighting.  However, Zelensky - or somebody else - has changed his mind and refused to come. 

 

Now, as of Sunday afternoon, after Lukashenko's intervention to Zelensky, he agreed, however, not to Minsk (another Minsk No... and counting?) but to another town in Belarus Gomel. The Russians are there already, awaiting the UA delegation.  This time the Russians remarked, the fighting will not be ceased.    

[Saanim]

3 hours ago, tomyami said:

Germany just upended it rules on sending arms to Ukraine and will increase its defence budget

Last week it was a promise of only 5,000 helmets.  The chancellor declared that they did not want to fuel the war from the well known historic reasons of German involvement in Ukraine/Russia (did we hear about taht here?).  Wondering what (or who) changed his mind...

[GroveHillWanderer]

1 minute ago, Saanim said:

Last week it was a promise of only 5,000 helmets.  The chancellor declared that they did not want to fuel the war from the well known historic reasons of German involvement in Ukraine/Russia (did we hear about taht here?).  Wondering what (or who) changed his mind...

I would imagine it was Russia's brutal and unprovoked invasion of a neighboring democratic sovereign state.

[Saanim]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I understand Russians being brainwashed by nationalism and propaganda

Can you share with us where from you get your knowledge about brainwashing?  

[Meat Pie 47]

Ukraine Russia live updates: Putin makes dark order to nuclear forces

 

https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/ukraine-russia-live-updates-active-street-fighting-in-kyiv/news-story/5c3f7f40949380ef413b4e5afe165148

[Jingthing]

38 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Just read that Ukraine and Russia will start negotiations on the Ukraine - Belarus border. Hope they can work something out before things get really out of hand, but somehow I doubt it. Putin will probably come with some crazy demands, like he has been doing from the start.

Yeah he wants total surrender or nothing. 

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[Jingthing]

Sounds like that SWIFT move is stronger than people might have thought.

[rudi49jr]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah he wants total surrender or nothing. 

Saw some of his bizar rants on TV, that Russia does not negotiate with drug addicts and neo-nazis, and so on and so forth. He looked completely off his rocker. 

[Jingthing]

6 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Saw some of his bizar rants on TV, that Russia does not negotiate with drug addicts and neo-nazis, and so on and so forth. He looked completely off his rocker. 

Some Putin watchers are saying something has fundamentally changed with him. Perhaps medical. But yeah, he appears to have transitioned from maybe a rational actor to DEFINITELY NOT. 

[Jingthing]

Say it IS so Joe, say it IS so:

 

Gen. Keith Kellogg on Fox News: Putin Has 'Lost This War' (mediaite.com)

 

Quote

Retired General Makes Stunning Declaration on Fox News: Putin Has ‘Lost This War’

Of course the only downside is that Putin won't ever accept losing ... so ... nuke.

[rudi49jr]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Say it IS so Joe, say it IS so:

 

Gen. Keith Kellogg on Fox News: Putin Has 'Lost This War' (mediaite.com)

 

Of course the only downside is that Putin won't ever accept losing ... so ... nuke.

Hope his generals turn out to be more levelheaded than Putin and refuse to push the button.