Jan. 6 committee says probe shows Trump led and directed effort to overturn 2020 election

[heybruce]

8 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Because it just doesn't fit the narrative they are trying to present.

 

  Not to even mention the sheer irrelevance of the jan 6th protest when leftists are RIGHT NOW threatening to kill supreme court judges and massing in front of their private residences to intimidate. 

 

Although I suppose the jan 6th showtrial/kangaroo court is a good distraction from record inflation, baby food shortage, sky high gas prices, the Afghan debacle, the open border chaos...

I suppose if I wanted to play "whattabout" I could bring up the racially motivated mass shootings during the Trump years and the FBI stating right-wing extremists being the number one terrorist threat facing the nation.  But I'll decline your wattaboutism.

[Berkshire]

9 hours ago, Resident Alien said:

I do not know impeached for what.

I just read somewhere they want to impeach, for whatever reason, asap after the Nov election, if they got a majority.

I do not care who is US president.

You've been reading too much right wing nutter nonsense.  I can give you a whole list of reasons why it can never happen, but what's the point.  Crazy people will never stop believing...

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, Kenneth White said:

Just like during the Russian Coelution hearings the most important evidence presented was the part where President Trump called for a peaceful protest was edited out of the video tape...Hum I wonder who and why these words were edited out.

Because it did not exist, perhaps? Telling your supporters to fight like hell does not sound like calling for a peaceful protest to me.

If you want to talk about editing, perhaps about 7 hours of White House phone logs that have gone missing would be a good place to start. It's a safe bet the Democrats didn't take them.

[radiochaser]

How many police were killed by Jan 6 demonstrators?

[ozimoron]

3 hours ago, radiochaser said:

 

 

Your post is a deliberate distortion of the events and you are just torturing words. Supporters of the Jan 6 Insurrection are traitors.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/us/politics/jan-6-capitol-deaths.html

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Cheney: Trump Never Called Military to Defend U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 – But Pence Did

Republican Rep. Liz Cheney of Wyoming said that it was former Vice President Mike Pence, not former President Donald Trump, who called for the military to defend the U.S. Capitol during the riot...

She said Mr. Trump did not call his Secretary of Defense on Jan. 6, or speak to his Attorney General or the Department of Homeland Security.

“Trump gave no order to deploy the National Guard that day, and made no effort to work with the Department of Justice to coordinate and deploy law enforcement assets,” Ms. Cheney said

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/jan-6-hearings-news-live/card/cheney-trump-never-called-military-to-defend-u-s-capitol-on-jan-6-but-pence-did-js5yUaivfa2Yz5QCZ77p

[Jingthing]

3 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

 

January 6 was a coup attempt. The deflection stuff you want to talk about instead wasn't. 

 

 

[Resident Alien]

6 hours ago, Berkshire said:

You've been reading too much right wing nutter nonsense.  I can give you a whole list of reasons why it can never happen, but what's the point.  Crazy people will never stop believing...

I looked it up and found it was a CNN story:

"South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham remained a loyal ally to former President Donald Trump throughout both of Trump’s impeachments, but now Graham says he wants to impeach President Joe Biden for his approach to the drawdown of US forces in Afghanistan."

 

Do not care who wins in the US, left or right.

Anyway, just asked a question about US president succession in case of.

Crazy ... maybe.   5555

[LarrySR]

9 hours ago, Kenneth White said:

There is so much more to this than what the Democrats have made it out to be. Lets face it the majority of Democrats and some Republicans didn't and don't like Donald J. Trump. President Trump ran the White House like a business. He is a master negotiator. The evidence of that was energy independence, equal trade agreements the list is long but rarely spoken about on main stream media outlets.

 

  Last word...the J6 committee is unconstitutional. There is a procedure that is required to form a committee, which was not followed like in the Russian Coelution committee.

Funny. There are still people that believe Trump won and he is a great businessman.  

He lost. 

 

Trump claimed that he borrowed $1 million from dad (paid him back) and turned it into $10 billion. 

Fact is he inherited $200 million, went bankrupt, borrowed $900 million and went bankrupt again. 

The IRS put him in the “biggest loser” list for 10 years and at the same time he was $1billion in the red he was publishing ‘Art Of The Deal’. A business advice book. Lol 

 

Well he did promise to run the country like he did to his business. 
Promises Kept!

Racked up nearly $8 trillion in debt and left office with 30 million jobless, millions of businesses crushed and the worst economic record since 1929. 

[Rimmer]

Some off topic and misleading posts removed 

[xylophone]

4 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

 

It was a threat of intent to hang the Vice president........and a gallows was erected. A threat or an intent to harm is an offence which can mean jail time in your "good ol US of A" so I hope they get jail time. Also some were filmed with "wrist ties"........for what peaceful purpose I wonder????????

 

How on earth anyone can condone this behaviour is unbelievable.

 

And this from a reporter at the scene:- 

 

I heard at least 3 different rioters at the Capitol say that they hoped to find Vice President Mike Pence and execute him by hanging him from a Capitol Hill tree as a traitor. It was a common line being repeated. Many more were just talking about how the VP should be executed.

This and much more on Snopes…….

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hang-mike-pence-chant-capitol-riot/

 

[radiochaser]

3 hours ago, xylophone said:

It was a threat of intent to hang the Vice president........and a gallows was erected. A threat or an intent to harm is an offence which can mean jail time in your "good ol US of A" so I hope they get jail time. Also some were filmed with "wrist ties"........for what peaceful purpose I wonder????????

 

How on earth anyone can condone this behaviour is unbelievable.

 

And this from a reporter at the scene:- 

 

I heard at least 3 different rioters at the Capitol say that they hoped to find Vice President Mike Pence and execute him by hanging him from a Capitol Hill tree as a traitor. It was a common line being repeated. Many more were just talking about how the VP should be executed.

This and much more on Snopes…….

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hang-mike-pence-chant-capitol-riot/

 

Wasn't that gallows erected on Jan 5?   From what I remember, the FBI has it and possibly has had it since Jan 5.

 
 

[radiochaser]

3 minutes ago, radiochaser said:

Wasn't that gallows erected on Jan 5?   From what I remember, the FBI has it and possibly has had it since Jan 5.

 
 

OK, here is where I first read about it.   

https://medium.com/politically-speaking/the-gallows-and-noose-at-the-u-s-capitol-an-update-on-my-10-24-21-article-9efbbb3ff464

[Bkk Brian]

3 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

 

I thought it was 4 died on the day, one shot by police as they tried to breach the house chamber, one from a heart attack, one from a stampede in the surge when they were pushing against police and another from a stroke.

 

A police officer also died the following day after being attacked by the mob on the 6th

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/05/us/politics/jan-6-capitol-deaths.html

[The Hammer2021]

The reaction to the demonstration, the subsequent  lockdown of the Capitol and the current proceedings are Liberal posturing to manipulate public opinion into fear of a right wing threat to distract from the real extremism of Identitarian activism.

It's a show trial - an act of vengeance.

 

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

 

The storming of the Capitol to prevent the ceritification of a legitimate election result caused huge damage to the structure of democratic government.  Whether that damage is irreparable depends on what is done to prevent such actions in the future.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

 

The reaction to the demonstration, the subsequent  lockdown of the Capitol and the current proceedings are Liberal posturing to manipulate public opinion into fear of a right wing threat to distract from the real extremism of Identitarian activism.

It's a show trial - an act of vengeance.

 

Violently breaking into the Capitol with the express purpose of stopping the lawful functions of Government is not a ‘demonstration’.

 

[heybruce]

Why don't you verify your facts before using them in a post?  It's not difficult.

 

Four protesters died during the day of the attack, one shot by police while attempting to break into the House chambers, three of medical emergencies that could not be treated because of the mob.  One police officer died two days later of injuries sustained during the attack.  

 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/capitol-riot-deaths/

 

[xylophone]

The problem being that trump supporters have been used to listening to nonsense and lies throughout his time in office, so it's become ingrained in them, or maybe it's even genetic, which is why they support him?

 

Whatever the reason it really is hard to believe that there are people who have little or no respect for the truth, and ignore facts that are plainly and clearly presented and there for all intelligent folk to see.

 

How on earth did the US get to this state.

[Rimmer]

Some misinformation posts and replies have been removed

[KarenBravo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_States_Capitol_attack

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/trump-riot-death-medical-exainer/2021/04/07/53806608-97cf-11eb-a6d0-13d207aadb78_story.html

 

You wouldn't know a liar if they bit your nose as your whole Fox news and Republican generated news is one large lie.

 

Also, I only ever posted once about demonstrators dying and that figure was five people. 

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, placeholder said:

Donald Trump is definitely not a master negotiator despite what The Apprentice may have led you to believe. Once his father was out of the picture, Trump destroyed his business. In other ventures,Trump consistently overpaid for various assets. He was consistently taken to the cleaners in negotiations. Keep in mind that his father transferred to him about half a billion dollars which all evaporated. It was The Apprentice that saved him and gave people the false idea of his negotiating skills.

As for Trump being responsible for energy independence, how does that work? Fracking flourished and grew under the Obama administration. Not that Obama or any President would deserve much credit for that. It was a technological breakthrough that was responsible.

Lots of claims there in the first para but no proof re taken to the cleaners stuff.

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Because it did not exist, perhaps? Telling your supporters to fight like hell does not sound like calling for a peaceful protest to me.

If you want to talk about editing, perhaps about 7 hours of White House phone logs that have gone missing would be a good place to start. It's a safe bet the Democrats didn't take them.

It existed and still exists. 

[xylophone]

2 hours ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

 

I repeat..............

 

And this from a reporter at the scene:- 

I heard at least 3 different rioters at the Capitol say that they hoped to find Vice President Mike Pence and execute him by hanging him from a Capitol Hill tree as a traitor. It was a common line being repeated. Many more were just talking about how the VP should be executed.

 

Whatever different spin you wish to put on the "Hang Pence" chant, a threat, whether a threat of intent or threat of any sort, is an offence which can result in jail time.

 

No need to excuse it, or try to whitewash it, it happened, it was recorded, and it was inexcusable.

 

[spidermike007]

22 hours ago, LarrySR said:

Trump, the cowardly Commander In Chief was definitely AWOL while his supporters went to war with Capitol police.

What would happen to a military officer that sent the troops into a battle zone then went and watched TV for a few hours?

 

I always thought, despite his big mouth, that if he were ever really faced with danger, he would wet his pants. He did have 5 draft deferments, after all. Once a coward, always a coward. 

[KanchanaburiGuy]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Don’t take that defense to court.

 

 

Why not. It would win on First Amendment grounds. It wouldn't take much research to come up with a thousand examples of similar behavior........... all of which proved innocuous.

 

Fact is.......... People in energized situations say things they don't mean....... all the time!

 

If the prosecution can't prove you DID mean it.......... they lose. 

 

Cheers! 

[vandeventer]

On 6/11/2022 at 6:36 AM, JohnOFphon said:

Liz Cheney for president. 

A true Democrat!!!

[vandeventer]

18 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Lots of claims there in the first para but no proof re taken to the cleaners stuff.

They are all out to get Trump no matter what it takes.

[The Hammer2021]

3 hours ago, xylophone said:

It was a threat of intent to hang the Vice president........and a gallows was erected. A threat or an intent to harm is an offence which can mean jail time in your "good ol US of A" so I hope they get jail time. Also some were filmed with "wrist ties"........for what peaceful purpose I wonder????????

 

How on earth anyone can condone this behaviour is unbelievable.

 

And this from a reporter at the scene:- 

 

I heard at least 3 different rioters at the Capitol say that they hoped to find Vice President Mike Pence and execute him by hanging him from a Capitol Hill tree as a traitor. It was a common line being repeated. Many more were just talking about how the VP should be executed.

This and much more on Snopes…….

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hang-mike-pence-chant-capitol-riot/

 

A gallows is erected - lol that's theatre. It was a symbol! Not a real working gallows!

And it's far more typical of left wing and eco demonstrations. It's even called 'performative demonstrations'

If anybody really  thinks this kind of boisterous demonstration is threat to their democracy then it means their democracy is very weak.

On bonfire night in the UK we burn effigies.

I think some liberal commentators are just over sensitive about  political theatre. It's hysteria and exaggeration.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

26 minutes ago, KanchanaburiGuy said:

Why not. It would win on First Amendment grounds. It wouldn't take much research to come up with a thousand examples of similar behavior........... all of which proved innocuous.

 

Fact is.......... People in energized situations say things they don't mean....... all the time!

 

If the prosecution can't prove you DID mean it.......... they lose. 

 

Cheers! 

Hasn’t worked for the convictions already secured.

 

Cheers!