Words have consequences.

 

Given the fragile state of the minds of so many of 45's supports---they did buy into his Big Lie and storm the Capitol intent on hanging the VP because he was following his oath---people in public positions who still maintain an Entry Visa to Reality would be well-advised to stop bad mouthing the FBI for doing its job.

 

The first lunatic who fell prey to the We are Victim refrain tried to storm an FBI field office. That perp apparently was in DC during the insurrection. Law enforcement did the needful and put him down, but he won't be the last.

 

Of course the fever swamp of 45 is already tossing out the usual excuses or conspiracy theories, like 'false flag'.

 

It never ends. Well, I guess that cult member, now former cult member, will get his mar-a-gulago in the sky and I believe 72 buckets of KFC.

 

Is my comment cold? That perp will be missed as much as Ayman al-Zawahiri. He is owed zero compassion.

 

One would hope senior members of the repub party would self-reflect and shut the eff up. Similarly the fever swamp MSM like Fox should do the same. They won't, of course, because going along with the grift is profitable or gets them votes, the public good be damned.

41 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes Trump could have made the details of the warrant public himself, now Garland is asking the court to release them publicly, Trump has until Friday to object.

 

Donald Trump: Mar-a-Lago search warrant could be unsealed

 

The US Department of Justice is asking a Florida court to unseal the warrant that let FBI agents search former President Donald Trump's home.

If granted, the request would make the documents available to the public, the justice department has so far not revealed the reason for the search - but the unsealed warrant could.

Mr Trump has until Friday to object to the unsealing - or could release details of the warrant himself.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62512360

A suggested reason for the search has been released in an article by Washington Post.

 

The Washington Post: FBI searched Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence for classified nuclear documents.

 

The Washington Post: FBI searched Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence for classified nuclear documents - CNNPolitics

1 minute ago, LosLobo said:

A suggested reason for the search has been released in an article by Washington Post.

 

The Washington Post: FBI searched Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence for classified nuclear documents.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/08/11/politics/trump-mar-a-lago-search-nuclear-classified-documents/index.htm

That link does not open

29 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

CULT?

 

Although used dozens of time daily on any thread to flame supporters of the former President and all he stood for, it does feel disrespectful. Interesting yet unsurprising to see name calling all going one way. 

 The restraint and respect non-democrat supporters and self-confessed neutral posters display in the face of constant hate and abuse is to be commended. It would be all too easy(and justified) to fire back with a well fitting acronym to describe these posters, so well done guys, good to see we don't stoop to their standards of debate.

 

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck......

 

Using the term "Cult" to describe 45's base was once shunned because it seemed impolite. Over time, and as that base displayed every trait of the typical cult (the 100% belief system, treating any criticism as blasphemy, portraying their messiah unrealistically both physically and morally, the one-speak nature of their terminology, the paraphernalia that has become an industry in itself), the term has become accepted because it fits like a glove.

 

As for this flaming only going 'one way', that is laughable. Those who haven't drank the Soma are labelled 'antifa', '<deleted>', 'commies'.

 

 

 

As for standards of debate, debates are some combination of fact and opinion. the Cult is built upon lies (aka Alternative Facts), so the 'facts' part of debate is forever missing.

 

Goal-seeking 'research' is not anything except confirmation bias. Despite claims by guys like rudy that 'truth isn't truth', there is an objective reality that cannot be changed just because a self-serving charlatan with a painful level of insecurity tries to manufacture alternate reality.

 

1) 45 lost in 2020; Biden won

2) Under his Admin, it wasn't even close to 'best economy ever'

3) Even his son admitted classified docs are at MaL, and this is....what's the word.....ILLEGAL

4) When faced with illegality, both DoJ and FBI have a job to do

5) 45 tried to foment an insurrection against the democratically elected govt of the US

6) 45 sat and watch the 6 Jan insurrection for 187 minutes doing NOTHING

Always wondered about the backstory of this one:

Chinese woman who entered Mar-a-Lago with malware federally charged

 

Perhaps it was no secret in the intelligence community that the place was an open spigot of info.

 

 

9 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

A suggested reason for the search has been released in an article by Washington Post.

 

The Washington Post: FBI searched Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence for classified nuclear documents.

 

The Washington Post: FBI searched Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence for classified nuclear documents - CNNPolitics

Yes thanks saw that, there's a new OP on it here:

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1268625-garland-said-he-moved-to-unseal-trump-search-warrant-defends-doj-from-attack/

 

 

Nuclear docs

11 minutes ago, Excel said:

That link does not open

It's all over the media now.

 

"Docs related to nuclear weapons"

 

One would be hard pressed to understand why a Game Show host would need to retain Top Secret docs related to nuclear weapons. Certainly it's both dangerous to have such material at a private club, besides being a felony.

 

There's actually a funny irony hidden in this:

 

The QAnon drivel was started by a guy claiming to have a "Q Clearance", which was portrayed as a super duper top top top only the select few with access to everything everywhere clearance.

 

What a Q Clearance actually is is a clearance that gives one access to nuke related intel. It's not a big deal, but someone who works the North Korea or Iran target, or who needs to visit Los Alamos or Oak Ridge, might need to add that to his TS/SCI

14 minutes ago, bendejo said:

Always wondered about the backstory of this one:

Chinese woman who entered Mar-a-Lago with malware federally charged

 

Perhaps it was no secret in the intelligence community that the place was an open spigot of info.

 

 

I know this has been in the public domain for years, so there is nothing classified....

 

Friend and foe alike took full advantage of the extremely poor security practiced by 45 when he was in office. Everyone from Russia to China to Iran to North Korea to Israel set up the means to eavesdrop on 45's phone calls from the White House, where he often used his personal, non-secure phone. Many foreign intel services didn't even need to recruit assets in his Admin, as just monitoring his phone gave them everything they needed.

 

He has a long history of being loose with matters of natsec, and has this infantile need to show off and tell folks things they don't need to know all in the hope of impressing people. I would guess that awareness of his behavior played some role in the judge signing off on the search warrant.

25 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

A suggested reason for the search has been released in an article by Washington Post.

 

The Washington Post: FBI searched Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence for classified nuclear documents.

 

The Washington Post: FBI searched Trump's Mar-a-Lago residence for classified nuclear documents - CNNPolitics

For those who can get past the paywall:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/08/11/garland-trump-mar-a-lago/

 

IF this is true, it is a really BFD.  There is no legitimate reason and no excuse for highly classified nuclear information to be at Mar-a-Lago. 

 

I'm tempted to speculate on why Trump would want such documents, but I'll wait for more information.

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

CULT?

 

Although used dozens of time daily on any thread to flame supporters of the former President and all he stood for, it does feel disrespectful. Interesting yet unsurprising to see name calling all going one way. 

 The restraint and respect non-democrat supporters and self-confessed neutral posters display in the face of constant hate and abuse is to be commended. It would be all too easy(and justified) to fire back with a well fitting acronym to describe these posters, so well done guys, good to see we don't stoop to their standards of debate.

 

Yes the respect that Trump supporters have shown to Joe Biden has been truly inspirational!

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

For those who can get past the paywall:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/08/11/garland-trump-mar-a-lago/

 

IF this is true, it is a really BFD.  There is no legitimate reason and no excuse for highly classified nuclear information to be at Mar-a-Lago. 

 

I'm tempted to speculate on why Trump would want such documents, but I'll wait for more information.

An ex President had documents related to nuclear stuff securely locked up at home?? Whatever next?! I wonder if he went so far as to sell our uranium to Russia? That would be extremely bad, wouldn't it.

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Yes the respect that Trump supporters have shown to Joe Biden has been truly inspirational!

You don't have to love Trump, suppose you meant to say conservatives.

Part way through the LINKED article is the full statement made Thursday by AG Garland. It is astonishing in its simplicity and impact.

 

He speaks of rule of law and even 'innocent until proven guilty', which is in stark contrast to "Lock her up". He details the search warrant process and even notes that 45's counsel was present at the search.

 

His statement would make any true US patriot proud.

 

AG Garland was misjudged. I was guilty of misjudging him, mistaking true professionalism for weakness. Garland has more spine than the entire repub party and 45-world combined.

 

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/ag-garland-destroyed-trump-s-attacks-fbi-search-mar-lago-n1297877

13 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

You don't have to love Trump, suppose you meant to say conservatives.

If you mean by those here who claim "I don't love Trump but...", give it up.

25 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

An ex President had documents related to nuclear stuff securely locked up at home?? Whatever next?! I wonder if he went so far as to sell our uranium to Russia? That would be extremely bad, wouldn't it.

And there we have it! Everything we need to know about you and where you are coming from in one uranium loaded sentence.

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

If you mean by those here who claim "I don't love Trump but...", give it up.

I understand that you can't grasp that concept.

5 hours ago, ozimoron said:

This is what happens when an ex president accuses the FBI of planting evidence.

 

An armed man decked out in body armor tried to breach a security screening area at an FBI field office Thursday, then fled and was injured in an exchange of gunfire in an hourslong standoff with law enforcement that persisted into late afternoon, authorities said.

 

The confrontation that began at the FBI’s Cincinnati office came as officials warned of an increase in threats against federal agents in the days following a search of former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida.

 

https://apnews.com/article/fbi-cincinnati-armed-man-b4701596a0eb9770e3b29e95328f5704

Hardly surprising attacks on the FBI have started when Republicans like Paul Gosar, U.S. representative for Arizona's 4th congressional district tweet this rhetoric:

https://twitter.com/RepGosar/status/1556821907726630915

 

I'm concerned that sensitive material is left around at the White House. There's way bigger concerns  than Trump walking out with boxes of sensitive material.

11 hours ago, The Hammer2021 said:

When the IR turns you out  its irrelevant what your status is because they distrupt you and your  activities,  prevent your organisation  from functioning  for about two years  and cause great expense. Obama  was on record as approving using the IR in a partizan  way I believe but I don't  know the results of the IR raids or who  was or was  not prosecuted.

Utterly false. There was a kerfuffle back then about groups using  "tea party"  or slogans related to it in their names being discriminated against by the IRS. Ultimately a report was issued by the Inspector General of the Treasury that these kinds of shortcuts had been in use by the IRS from 2004. I don't think, but you might have other information, that Obama was President then. Here's a link to that report.

https://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2017reports/201710054fr.pdf

And just to make one thing clear: never was there produced any evidence that Obama had any knowledge of this at all. Never.

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I'm concerned that sensitive material is left around at the White House. There's way bigger concerns  than Trump walking out with boxes of sensitive material.

Well that's some mental gymnastics there for sure.

Firstly 'sensitive material' isn't just 'left around at the White House'. It's kept at the National Archives building in Washington  https://www.archives.gov/publications/general-info-leaflets/1-about-archives.html

Secondly, there is actually no 'bigger concern' than an ex-President who has publicly courted despots and dicatators; who has denied a fair and free election and who instigated the Jan 6th insurection. 

I think I know where i'd rather the information be held.

 

12 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I understand that you can't grasp that concept.

Well, it comes from those who invariably support Trump's actions as President but just say they disapprove of flaws in his character or personality. Big deal.

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, it comes from those who invariably support Trump's actions as President but just say they disapprove of flaws in his character or personality. Big deal.

By actions I presume you meant to say policies. Then yes. 

7 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

She is a far Right conspiracy theorist 

 

"Marjorie Taylor Greene, also known by her initials MTG, is an American politician, businesswoman, and far-right conspiracy theorist "

'

And the big majority of Republicans who believe that the election was stolen aren't?

Only on the grounds that once would have been considered rightwing lunacy in now mainstream in the Republican party.

9 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

By actions I presume you meant to say policies. Then yes. 

Not just that. For example, his claims that the 2020 election was stolen.

On 8/9/2022 at 1:59 PM, heybruce said:

Now that's how you politicize the Justice system!

James Comey and Christopher Wrey have already done so...just trying to clean-up their mess.

Trump now claims he's being treated unfairly because Obama was allowed to take documents.

It is to laugh.

AG Merrick Garland faced a cacophony of demand from GOP to be transparent and so he did asking the judge to unseal the search warrant and the receipt.
 

Trump can release the warrant and list without court intervention. Of course he rather exploit the vacuum to spread lies and misinformation for more donations.

 

True to his exploitative nature, he is considering challenging the court to stop the release. Court will rule and we can be assured that his lawyers will appeal and drag this as long as they can. Keeping the truth in the dark will keep his base misinformed and has always been in Trump’s playbook. 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/justice-department-asks-judge-to-unseal-mar-a-lago-search-warrant-11660245559

6 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No, I don't take much notice of extremists .

They are entertainers whose job it is to be outrageous and extreme and they thrive on the publicity 

You would do well to take more note.  Here' contact with her from the Cincinnati FBI shooter:

 

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

An ex President had documents related to nuclear stuff securely locked up at home?? Whatever next?! I wonder if he went so far as to sell our uranium to Russia? That would be extremely bad, wouldn't it.

 

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

I'm concerned that sensitive material is left around at the White House. There's way bigger concerns  than Trump walking out with boxes of sensitive material.

Apparently Trump's fans are already laying the groundwork for claiming that a major security breach is no big deal.

34 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

James Comey and Christopher Wrey have already done so...just trying to clean-up their mess.

I agree that James Comey throwing the 2016 election to Donald Trump by reopening the email investigation days before the election was appalling, but I don't think he intentionally politicized the Justice Department. 

 

Other than that I don't understand what your post is supposed to mean.