Classified documents from Biden’s time as VP discovered in private office

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4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Where these Classified docs lived after being taken from ?? to when Biden's Think Tank office was available will most certainly be investigated. 

 

Keep up the positive thinking.

You mean like packed up in boxes and stored somewhere. What you don't seem to understand is that you have to prove intent to violate the rules in order to be held criminally responsible. Possession is not enough. That's a very high bar to clear. Very occasionally, there's someone who's mentally defective and gives the government an abundance of the evidence it needs. Someone recently has done just that.

[Eric Loh]

35 minutes ago, bendejo said:

Call him a doddering old coot all you want, this move to put up a second prosecutor is freekin' brilliant.  With the help of the DOJ, of course.  The House GOP guys are bawlin' away, like he just stole their lunch.  And he did. 

 

 

Probably the biggest bawler is hypocrite Kevin McCarthy. Remembered his infamous warning to DOJ Garland to çlean'his calendar and prepare for an investigation by the GOPs in Trump's case and compare to "DOJ must probe Biden's document". What a predictable clown. Anyway, appointment of special council is the right move by DOJ. There are very little similarities in magnitude, cooperation and intent in both cases. At end of the investigation, GOP will be further embarrassed. 

[billd766]

21 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Swerving again. Until you provide a link to your claims nothing you say is credible.

IMHO nothing he says is credible anyway. He has no proof and is either unwilling or unable to supply any valid links for any of his posts.

 

11 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Post deleted by me.

 

Edited January 13, 2023 by billd766

[billd766]

11 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Seems certain posters are having to engage in verbal contortions to excuse Biden for doing the same as the "bad man". LOL.

But President Biden has not been doing the same as the "bad man". LOL

[TKDfella]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

The improbability is clear. If I buy a lottery ticket, it remains to be seen whether or not I've won the grand prize.  Since anything is possible, it may turn out that there is a basis for criminal prosecution. But the odds are clear vanishingly small.

I have just seen the the US AG video who clarifies that classified documents batches two and three (I didn't know there was a third batch) found in Pres. Biden's car in a locked garage at his residence in Delaware and in the garage too. So Pres. Biden didn't know these documents were in his office and now he didn't know they were in his car and garage.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, TKDfella said:

I have just seen the the US AG video who clarifies that classified documents batches two and three (I didn't know there was a third batch) found in Pres. Biden's car in a locked garage at his residence in Delaware and in the garage too. So Pres. Biden didn't know these documents were in his office and now he didn't know they were in his car and garage.

Did he say he didn't know they were in his locked garage? Did he say if those documents are related to the ones found before from the Penn Center? As far as I'm aware a President can take classified documents away from the Whitehouse right?

 

[bendejo]

Bringing the car into the conversation, that's pretty smooth!  Easy diversion from whatever else and start talking about the car. 

And this second prosecutor fellow, he may discover he needs access to (can you guess?) a certain laptop, thus snatching the case from the attacking dogs. 

 

 

[Pattaya Spotter]

 Joseph Robinette Biden Jr:

 

"The garage door was locked."

 

You can't make thus stuff up!

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

There are very little similarities in magnitude, cooperation and intent in both cases. At end of the investigation, GOP will be further embarrassed. 

Spot on with your comment Eric Loh.........good article in the NY Times about the differences between the two "cases". One lying through his teeth and refusing to turn over the docs/putting obstacles in the way, whilst Biden is co-operating fully. 

 

Poles apart.

[thaibeachlovers]

57 minutes ago, billd766 said:

But President Biden has not been doing the same as the "bad man". LOL

That will be determined by the special counsel, not you or I.

[Phoenix Rising]

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That will be determined by the special counsel, not you or I.

So speculating is not something you every do here on AN? Riiiiight.........

[Eric Loh]

Biden categorically said that he will fully cooperate with the special counsel while Trump attack the special counsel calling him a thug and post disrespectful remarks about his wife and family members. Trademark behavior of a guilty man and despicable low-life. 

[vandeventer]

On 1/10/2023 at 10:41 AM, SunnyinBangrak said:

Sounds like you are saying possessing classified docs is legal until one is caught. I'm no lawyer, but it sounds a false assertion.

 

 After the left made hay over others in possession of classified docs, this is most inconvenient to put it mildly!

 

 If this had been made public before the midterms as the other case was......

You have to remember Democrats are always right and nothing they do wrong is wrong. I just have to wonder if anyone else had keys to his locked building, after all the doc's had been missing for over 6 years I am not saying Hunter or his Chinese friends had a set of keys but shouldn't someone check their bank accounts just to be sure?

[Pattaya Spotter]

1 hour ago, TKDfella said:

I have just seen the the US AG video who clarifies that classified documents batches two and three (I didn't know there was a third batch) found in Pres. Biden's car in a locked garage at his residence in Delaware and in the garage too. So Pres. Biden didn't know these documents were in his office and now he didn't know they were in his car and garage.

Who else in the Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. cabal had access to these documents...Hunter, Jill, other relatives and friends who may have been at the residence? I wonder how many were sold on for profit to Biden's Chinese benefactors? 

[Pattaya Spotter]

52 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Well he does appear to have a few mental problems, like calling on dead people, so perhaps he really did just "forget" about them.

The "I forg[o]t" defense is surely a winner in court!

Edited January 13, 2023 by Pattaya Spotter

[pomchop]

28 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Who else in the Joseph Robinette Biden Jr. cabal had access to these documents...Hunter, Jill, other relatives and friends who may have been at the residence? I wonder how many were sold on for profit to Biden's Chinese benefactors? 

If biden were selling them i sorta doubt he would have volunteered to turn them all over the day after they were found but go ahead and wallow in all those conspiracy theories....a special prosecutor will soon enough lay out all the details...and a court will soon enough lay out all of trumps behavior....wanna bet which one will look like a lying criminal that purposely obstructed justice for months and which just made a mistake and admitted it?

[pomchop]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That will be determined by the special counsel, not you or I.

And you of course will come back on this forum and share the results with all....even if/when the investigation shows biden made a mistake and fessed up and trump purposely lied and obstructed justice for months.....sure you will just as all the tin hat conspiracy trumpers who have been proven full of it over and over and over but still cling to same ole tired big lies with zero evidence for years cause that is what they do.

[Hanaguma]

41 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

The "I forg[o]t" defense is surely a winner in court!

For Joe, it just may be a winner. I believe him!   

 

Not to mention he has the best insurance policy for his tenure as President since Bush had Quayle.   There could be video of Joe being handed a clear plastic bag full of gold coins from Xi Jinping and he still wouldn't be forced from office. 

[Hanaguma]

On a more serious note, I wonder why we are relying exclusively on President Biden and his legal team to search for documents.  I think it would be better if search warrants were issued and the DOJ sent inspectors to whatever locations are suspected of having such material.   The fact that these documents have been known about for months and not returned is cause for concern.

[pomchop]

19 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

For Joe, it just may be a winner. I believe him!   

 

Not to mention he has the best insurance policy for his tenure as President since Bush had Quayle.   There could be video of Joe being handed a clear plastic bag full of gold coins from Xi Jinping and he still wouldn't be forced from office. 

i forgot is probably a better defense than of course i knew and i took them all because they are my property and even though i am no longer POTUS ( or actually maybe i am ) I have lied and deflected and obstructed justice for months on end.

[Hanaguma]

2 minutes ago, pomchop said:

i forgot is probably a better defense than of course i knew and i took them all because they are my property and even though i am no longer POTUS ( or actually maybe i am ) I have lied and deflected and obstructed justice for months on end.

Maybe so, but it does not excuse the liability.   I am not that interested in making comparisons because the two cases are very different.  But I think a person like Joe Biden, with 50 years of service in government, would have a good grasp on the rules surrounding confidential documents. 

[candide]

51 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

On a more serious note, I wonder why we are relying exclusively on President Biden and his legal team to search for documents.  I think it would be better if search warrants were issued and the DOJ sent inspectors to whatever locations are suspected of having such material.   The fact that these documents have been known about for months and not returned is cause for concern.

The reason why Mar a Lago was searched is because they had insider information that Trump was lying and was hiding documents. It was a key information to predicate the search warrant (there was also a video, if I remember well). It wasn't a fishing expedition. In other locations, they did not search them and let Trumps lawyers do it by themselves.

 

 

Trump lawyers hire outside team to search four properties for classified info

https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/donald-trump-lawyers-outside-team-search-properties-classified-information/

Search by ‘outside firm’ found more classified documents in Trump storage unit, report says

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-lawyers-tower-bedminister-search-b2240675.html

 

In the Biden case, no suspicion of hiding anything. The lawyers found some documents, then they made an extensive search in any possible location, and found the others. They gave back the documents without even being asked to.

 

Edited January 13, 2023 by candide

[Saanim]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

The reason why Mar a Lago was searched is because they had insider information that Trump was lying and was hiding documents. It was a key information to predicate the search warrant (there was also a video, if I remember well). It wasn't a fishing expedition. In other locations, they did not search them and let Trumps lawyers do it by themselves.

 

In the Biden case, no suspicion of hiding anything. The lawyers found some documents, then they made an extensive search in any possible location, and found the others. They gave back the documents without even being asked to.

 

“When two do the same thing, it is not the same thing after all.”

— Publilius Syrus

[ozimoron]

"The mishandling of classified information typically only gets prosecuted if there's some sort of plus factor showing that the mishandling was accompanied by wilfulness and bad intent," he said.

 

He suggested the "over-classification" of some government documents could also result in less-sensitive materials being inadvertently mishandled or misplaced.

 

Ms Krissoff agreed she did not see any basis for a criminal case against the president at this time.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-13/joe-biden-classified-documents-compared-with-donald-trump/101851832

Edited January 13, 2023 by ozimoron

[candide]

20 minutes ago, Saanim said:

“When two do the same thing, it is not the same thing after all.”

— Publilius Syrus

It depends what you are talking about. Trump and Biden did not do the same thing, as has been explained many times, even on Fox News.

 

The FBI did the same thing: not search locations on which they had no information that documents were knowingly hidden from them. For both Trump and Biden.

For example they let Trumps lawyers search by themselves in other locations

 

Trump lawyers hire outside team to search four properties for classified info

https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/donald-trump-lawyers-outside-team-search-properties-classified-information/

Search by ‘outside firm’ found more classified documents in Trump storage unit, report says

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-lawyers-tower-bedminister-search-b2240675.html

 

Edited January 13, 2023 by candide

[Eric Loh]

13 minutes ago, Saanim said:

“When two do the same thing, it is not the same thing after all.”

— Publilius Syrus

Unfortunately. two didn't do the same thing. One cooperated and returned the classified documents promptly while the other didn't returned the classified documents and shown utter disregard for the rule of law, 

[Bkk Brian]

58 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

On a more serious note, I wonder why we are relying exclusively on President Biden and his legal team to search for documents.  I think it would be better if search warrants were issued and the DOJ sent inspectors to whatever locations are suspected of having such material.   The fact that these documents have been known about for months and not returned is cause for concern.

Probably the same reason they instructed Trumps lawyers to carry on searching other locations. Low and behold, more were found in a separate location to Mar-a-Lago in early Dec.

 

Edited January 13, 2023 by Bkk Brian

[EVENKEEL]

Let's hear Biden tell prospective voters or at Democratic Debates he forgot the Top Secret docs next to his Corvette. 

[Eric Loh]

20 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Let's hear Biden tell prospective voters or at Democratic Debates he forgot the Top Secret docs next to his Corvette. 

You have evidence that he forgotten the docs next to his Corvette or you just gaslighting? Reports clearly state that they were found in the garage. Who left those behind has not been determined. 

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

On a more serious note, I wonder why we are relying exclusively on President Biden and his legal team to search for documents.  I think it would be better if search warrants were issued and the DOJ sent inspectors to whatever locations are suspected of having such material.   The fact that these documents have been known about for months and not returned is cause for concern.

"The fact that these documents have been known about for months and not returned is cause for concern."

 

Where did this information come from?