ISRAEL IS AT WAR !

[Eloquent pilgrim]

Muslims all over Europe are out on the streets celebrating this barbarism

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/07/naked-israeli-woman-paraded-jeering-hamas-fighters/

[stevenl]

How is it possible that the highly praised Israeli intelligence agencies missed this? How can Hamas have build up such an arsenal in the completely controlled Gaza strip?

[MrMojoRisin]

10 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Muslims all over Europe are out on the streets celebrating this barbarism

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/07/naked-israeli-woman-paraded-jeering-hamas-fighters/

How many Muslims are you talking about?

Are all of them cheering? Is it half of them?

Is it a tiny minority? People who make statements such as yours create the environment that l leads to what we are seeing happen today.

[mikebike]

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Are you saying the the Israeli government should be judged by the same standards as a terrorist outfit such as Hamas?

No, as a recognized nation and the oppressor, they should be held to a much higher standard. 

[herfiehandbag]

10 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Just watched a video of Hamas massacring about ten unarmed Israeli citizens in a bomb shelter 

   That's a war crime right there 

No mention of that on the BBC.

I am not for a moment suggesting it did not happen.

 

But remember that the reporting of some of the more savage manifestation of Palestinian terrorism, specifically Hamas and Hezbollah actions is often "selectively" presented by certain media.

 

The BBC's correspondent

 in the area wasn't known as "Abu Bowen" for nothing!

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, 2baht said:

Check the numbers, Israel wins the killing civilians atrocities by miles! Netinyahoo will be in his war mongering element!

I expect that man will be relishing the opportunity to send the military into Gaza to destroy as much as possible.

I heard him on tv saying they are going to target every corner of Gaza and the people should leave now, which I assume is code for "if you don't leave you'll likely get killed".

Where he thinks they should go to was unsaid.

 

If he does lay waste to Gaza, it doesn't bode well for the hostages held there.

[ezzra]

The Israeli cabinet has resolved this morning to destroy  Hamas and the Islamic jihad operational capabilities, and not to stop until this target was achieved, stop water, electricity, and stop allowing the entrance of goods and services to Gaza..

[ChipButty]

Waiting for that other lot Hezbollah to start firing rockets from the north, they have something in the region of 150,000 rockets, 

[thaibeachlovers]

9 minutes ago, stevenl said:

How is it possible that the highly praised Israeli intelligence agencies missed this? How can Hamas have build up such an arsenal in the completely controlled Gaza strip?

The weapons come in through tunnels from the Sinai, which is not under Israeli control, and Hamas would have been well aware of Israeli stooges/ spies and probably killed them.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, ezzra said:

The Israeli cabinet has resolved this morning to destroy  Hamas and the Islamic jihad operational capabilities, and not to stop until this target was achieved, stop water, electricity, and stop allowing the entrance of goods and services to Gaza..

If they do that and thousands of Gazan's die of thirst, how does that impact the Israeli story of being the eternal victim deserving special exemption from international laws?

If they do go too far, the carefully constructed alliance with Arab states will likely be a dead duck, and that's just for starters. When the pictures of dead Gaza children start being circulated on social media how long before western governments can no longer justify excusing Israeli flouting of international laws?

 

Israel has more to lose than Gaza people in this situation.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

8 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

Waiting for that other lot Hezbollah to start firing rockets from the north, they have something in the region of 150,000 rockets, 

If they don't join in I'll be extremely surprised.

[thaibeachlovers]

18 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

How many Muslims are you talking about?

Are all of them cheering? Is it half of them?

Is it a tiny minority? People who make statements such as yours create the environment that l leads to what we are seeing happen today.

I suspect a great many. Many are not fans of the west and especially not of Israel.

[Nick Carter icp]

15 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

No mention of that on the BBC.

I am not for a moment suggesting it did not happen.

 

But remember that the reporting of some of the more savage manifestation of Palestinian terrorism, specifically Hamas and Hezbollah actions is often "selectively" presented.

 

The BBC's correspondent

 in the area wasn't known as "Abu Bowen" for nothing!

This is what was reported from inside a Israeli bomb shelter where they were hiding 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

When will Hamas be held accountable for their violations  of international law ?

   They cannot really complain if Israel responds to war crimes committed by the Palestinians , if no ones going to hold them to accountable for their actions  .

  Palestinians  murdered Israeli citizens , Woman and Children included , they cannot complain  about any response to their war crimes 

and Israelis have murdered Palestinian people, women and children included, so they cannot complain about any response to their war crimes.

[herfiehandbag]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

This is what was reported from inside a Israeli bomb shelter where they were hiding 

 

 

Yes, it was reported by the Daily Telegraph.

 

Savage, murdering bastards. I hope they meet an appropriate end.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Neither side is being held accountable , so its a free for all fight .

No Queensbury rules in the Middle East 

Not entirely true. Israel is supported by America and EU, while Palestinians are supported by ?????????????

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, herfiehandbag said:

Yes, it was reported by the Daily Telegraph.

 

Savage, murdering bastards. I hope they meet an appropriate end.

I remember dead Gaza children from the last time Israel attacked them from the air, so your last sentence back at you.

[thaibeachlovers]

59 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Egyptian authorities  do like wise , they also have a closed border with Gaza , so the Egyptians are also committing genocide ?

Shame on the Egyptians that are colluding in the suppression of the Gazans.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

28 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

How many Muslims are you talking about?

Are all of them cheering? Is it half of them?

21,427, plus 2 labradors, a wire-haired fox terrier and a Tibetan milking goat; they were all cheering apart from the dogs who were howling, and the goat who was frantically trying to discover if he was halal or not ….. HTF would I know how many (rhetorical)

[Andre0720]

13 hours ago, candide said:

It's quite likely. I always thought that the Palestinians would (maybe) have obtained more by applying Ghandi's precepts.

 

However, it also demonstrates once more that Netanyahu's policy has not brought peace and security.

If Islam was really a 'religion of peace' as they claim it is, then there would have been more peace and security...

[thaibeachlovers]

50 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

One more victim identified .

The lower photo is of her in the back on a truck after being murdered and her copse being desecrated and spat upon whist they were shouting "Allah Ahkbar" .

  She was attending a musical peace festival when she got taken 

 

If you want to get into a contest about who kills more than the other side, I know that the Israelis win the death total easily.

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7 minutes ago, Andre0720 said:

If Islam was really a 'religion of peace' as they claim it is, then there would have been more peace and security...

Or maybe if Judaism really was a religion of peace, there would have been more peace and security.

In fact, blaming the nature of both religions for the conflict is just reflexive nonsense.

[KhunLA]

4 minutes ago, Andre0720 said:

If Islam was really a 'religion of peace' as they claim it is, then there would have been more peace and security...

If Israel would have honored the agreements, and not invaded and taken their land in 1967 ... their wouldn't be much to fight over.

 

This has been a never-ending 55 yrs ongoing war.  Didn't just start last week.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Google ‘genocide’ because you obviously have no idea whatsoever as to the meaning of the word; however, as an obvious apologist for terrorism, that hardly surprises me.

That terrorism label goes both ways in that unfortunate region, IMO.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

If Israel would have honored the agreements, and not invaded and taken their land in 1967 ... their wouldn't be much to fight over.

Is that when Egypt, Syria, Jordon and Lebanon all invaded Israel simultaneously on the same day and Israel fought them all off and found themselves ruling the West bank , Sinai and Golan heights ?

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1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Is that when Egypt, Syria, Jordon and Lebanon all invaded Israel simultaneously on the same day and Israel fought them all off and found themselves ruling the West bank , Sinai and Golan heights ?

"In response to the apparent mobilization of its Arab neighbours, early on the morning of June 5, Israel staged a sudden preemptive air assault that destroyed more than 90 percent Egypt’s air force on the tarmac. A similar air assault incapacitated the Syrian air force. Without cover from the air, the Egyptian army was left vulnerable to attack."

https://www.britannica.com/event/Six-Day-War

[simple1]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I remember dead Gaza children from the last time Israel attacked them from the air, so your last sentence back at you.

Do the ADF deliberately target and kill children as a matter of policy? To a degree Israel has bought this current round of fighting on themselves with the expansion of settlements and 'settler' violence. Personally I do not understand the Hamas attack as for sure it will lead to massive civilian casualties in Gaza. Maybe Hamas are seeking to disrupt the Abraham Accords and prisoners / hostages as a tool to leverage release of Israeli held prisoners and concession  - not likely to succeed. Personally I doubt Hezbollah with engage in open warfare with Israel.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Is that when Egypt, Syria, Jordon and Lebanon all invaded Israel simultaneously on the same day and Israel fought them all off and found themselves ruling the West bank , Sinai and Golan heights ?

That's what happens when a bunch of western countries decides to use the UN to take someone else's land without consent.

 

Having defeated the Arab countries, Israel didn't return to the area given to them, but continued to illegally occupy Palestinian land and build illegal settlements on it, while suppressing the legal occupants.

[KhunLA]

 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That's what happens when a bunch of western countries decides to use the UN to take someone else's land without consent.

 

Having defeated the Arab countries, Israel didn't return to the area given to them, but continued to illegally occupy Palestinian land and build illegal settlements on it, while suppressing the legal occupants.

Israel gave back the Sinai to Egypt , and Jordon, who previously ruled the West Bank , said they didn't want the West Bank back , so the West Bank was vacant land because the Jordanians didn't want it back again