4 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Any Australian with bushfire experience will tell you once a crown fire starts, forest litter is fairly insignificant.

 

Some tree species start emitting oils after days of extreme heat. When a flame front with its radiation hits said trees, they literally explode. Attempting to fight fires under such conditions is suicidal.

 

IIRC Trump never blamed De Santis for the loss of life and property in the aftermath of the Florida hurricanes

 

 

Are you saying the firestorm is or isn’t Trumps fault?

 

Simple question requires a simple answer.

 

Please communicate..

31 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Trump should not be spreading false information and  blaming a state governor something the  governor has no control over. Trump should  look to Governor DeSantis for a lesson in leadership and civics.

While the Governor had no direct control over Mother Nature he does have control over measures that could of minimized destruction.

 

But his mind was elsewhere, paroling criminals, DEI, WOKE , needles for San Francisco drug addicted, defunding police, trans in women sports and the never ending Bullet Train to nowhere.

 

You're most likely unaware of this because you don’t like in California.

3 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Which behaviour do you have in mind that parents may be encouraging their children to imitate?

 

Maybe sniffing other children or suffering from dementia like Biden, or some of the terrible things that Clinton(s) has done?  

Someone from the area speaks.

 

 

6 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

 

By now his supporters probably don't expect facts or logic. He rambles and they like it. It's like a religion.

It's not "like a religion"; it IS a religion.

 

Just a few days ago, on the anniversary of the terrorist attack on the Capitol, lots of video was on the news showing his cult sporting flags with his name, kind of like the flags some nations have noting the name of their particular deity. Same same, and NOT different. Purely a captured cult.

 

I bet you're feeling like a Danish cartoonist, who some cult members think committed heresy by criticizing their messiah. One little guy has posted 19 replies already, I guess trying to prove his fealty, as if his love muffin could even guy the guy exists.

 

47 has no decency and no compassion. Though I'm not a psychiatrist, many board certified psychiatrists have labelled the guy a psychopath. Certainly he's been in the public eye enough so that an accurate diagnosis can be made. Psychopaths have no empathy, no guilt, lie as easily as they breathe, and think rules do not apply to them. They are totally self-centered and self-absorbed, out solely for themselves, though they can fool the naive, gullible and forlorn.

5 hours ago, G_Money said:

Link not working.

 

Can you explain in your own words or is this too complicated for you?

 

Biden’s done nothing.  How do you explain that for the current President.

 

Trump isn’t President for 10 more days but I’m flattered that you think he is now.  Just like the rest of the world thinks he is.

No, the rest of the world don't think he is, with the majority wishing he would bugger-off. 

 

10 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

You're talking about Biden (and Harris), obviously, yes?

Do you know the difference between Biden and Trump?

Bidens mind was pretty good some time ago. And then it wasn't good anymore and the DEMs decided to remove him as a presidential candidate.

Trumps mind was never good. And it got worse, and worse. And for whatever reason Americans then decided that idiot is the perfect candidate to represent them. That tells us a lot about those American voters.

8 hours ago, simon43 said:

I have zero interest in US politics, but can someone please clarify one thing?

 

Did Trump win the election to be the next president?  Yes. So that seems to suggest (to me) that more people want him to be president than the other candidates.

 

Does that mean that all those people that voted for him are idiots?  Seems to be that there are a lot of bad losers on this forum....

I believe that statistics show that more people voted for someone other than Trump .

Seems to be that there a lot of extremely defensive "winners' on this forum....

13 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

So typical of a Trump supporter, always deflection and never an answer to the question at large. 

Ah, you're a <removed> sufferer. Well, what is Trump supposed to do? He's not the President (yet). He's the leader of the opposition party.  Of course he's going to use the fires to criticize the President and Governor, although I don't see how it's the President's fault. Burea of Land Management? Or do you want him to promise to spend all his own money to help the thousands (it sounds like) who will have lost their homes and all their possessions? I don't expect the Republicans to be very generous after he becomes President, but then Biden and the Democrats haven't been, either. He still owes me $600.

9 hours ago, G_Money said:

So the reason for Trump bashing on this PARTICULAR thread is?????

Because he is nothing but  a total arseh.... 

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Someone from the area speaks.

 

 

Well said

8 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Maybe sniffing other children or suffering from dementia like Biden, or some of the terrible things that Clinton(s) has done?  

Distractions, 

 

8 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

"Trump supporters" being the majority of the US. Don't forget that your stance is now the minority stance.

Minority would be "other" 

 

My best guess, those who changed side this time, already regrests after the last weeks the coming  Der Fuhrer speaches

Short answer - yes.

Presidential master of malignancy.

Everything he touches turns to ...

 

'Malignancy': Historian says 'everything just feels worse all the time' with Trump

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President-elect Donald Trump's unique talent, according to one historian, is his ability to despoil moments that should bring Americans together.

In an interview with The New Republic's Greg Sargent, Vanderbilt historian Nicole Hemmer outlined how Trump has even used the devastation from California's fires to lob attacks at his political opponents instead of trying to bring the country together.

 

"It does strike me as something novel about the right, certainly within the last 15 years... there is a combination of the malignancy of Donald Trump himself, who is constantly seeking ways to be in the headlines, the media environment in which we live that really favors this kind of outrage and negative emotion, and a conservative media ecosystem that takes that revved-up let's-make-everybody-angry dynamic and applies it to electoral politics," she said. "All those things come together to turn everything that happens into an opportunity for a fight."

 

 

14 hours ago, Lacessit said:

It's not Newsom's fault, or Biden's fault. It's the inevitable result of climate change, and it will get worse.

 

Trump is doing his usual thing, no surprise there. As he is a narcissistic sociopath, expecting decency or compassion is a bridge too far.

 

Most political leaders left or right, are not equipped to understand or deal with what is coming. The number in the world with scientific qualifications can probably be counted on the fingers of one hand.

Climate change?  Hardly.  In case you aren't aware, forests periodically burn.  And in areas like Southern California, which were largely uninhabitable deserts before the Colorado River was tamed and aqueducts installed, the vegetation there also burns, periodically.  It's all part of the ecological process.  Part of a healthy ecosystem. The process has been going on for millions and millions of years, long before humans arrived on the scene. And in case you've never lived in Southern California, the place can often go months and months without any kind or rain.  Neglect the vegetation and overgrown brush, and it's. just a matter of time.  There will be fires.  And those fires can be especially dangerous this time of year, when Santa Ana winds are common.  

 

So, who's to blame?  Fires will occur, periodically, but they can perhaps be contained, delayed, or managed with proper management.  Was that done here?  I don't think so. 

 

 

Yes he is extremely challenged in those characteristics. 

 

Gives a person pause when reflecting  why so many support him, including myself.  I have no doubt libs will be back on top and might happen before the next election cycle.  Too much over reaching and nutty libs that somehow became the face of the democratic party.

Why should Trump pussy foot around if the the guy was offer a solution, imagine the attacks given if it were Trump, quit the double standards because of your personal derangement

42 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Climate change?  Hardly.  In case you aren't aware, forests periodically burn.  And in areas like Southern California, which were largely uninhabitable deserts before they the Colorado River was tamed and aqueducts installed, the vegetation there also burns, periodically.  It's all part of the ecological process.  Part of a healthy ecosystem. The process has been going on for millions and millions of years, long before humans arrived on the scene. And in case you've never lived in Southern California, the place can often go months and months without any kind or rain.  Neglect the vegetation and overgrown brush, and it's. just a matter of time.  There will be fires.  And those fires can be especially dangerous this time of year, when Santa Ana winds are common.  

 

So, who's to blame?  Fires will occur, periodically, but they can perhaps be contained, delayed, or managed with proper management.  Was that done here?  I don't think so. 

 

 

I very much doubt the people who have lost their homes will regard themselves as part of an ecosystem.

 

Southern California had record rainfall in 2022 and 2023, followed by the usual dry spells. The perfect conditions for a wildfire, all that was needed was a spark and wind.

 

While the winds did not reach the record levels of 2011, 100 km/hr is still very strong.

 

There is nothing fire fighters can do in such a situation, without getting themselves killed. The radiant heat from a large fire is equivalent to that of a nuke. Taxpayers would have been howling if serious money was spent on fuel reduction.

 

Yes, we are part of an eco-system. We have been pumping CO2 into the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution. It's daft to expect the eco-system will not change as a result.

 

Everyone knows Trump lays blame any time he can. He's a disgusting turd, and you can't polish a turd.

 

IMO your post is a classic case of doublethink.

16 hours ago, G_Money said:

What has the current President done?✅ 

 

Newsom has the buck.  He’s failed.

Repoert says that Biden has ordered the military to help in that situation

15 hours ago, G_Money said:

Waiting for “It’s Trumps fault “.

Who was on the watch on 9/11?

 

Where was the official condemning of Bush when it happened by the left? 

 

Magas is full of bull pie and hate, and claims they are not! 

 

Wake up to the reality, 

Does Trump completely lack decency and compassion?

 

Yes!

2 minutes ago, GypsyT said:

Does Trump completely lack decency and compassion?

 

Yes!

No!

11 hours ago, G_Money said:

While the Governor had no direct control over Mother Nature he does have control over measures that could of minimized destruction.

 

But his mind was elsewhere, paroling criminals, DEI, WOKE , needles for San Francisco drug addicted, defunding police, trans in women sports and the never ending Bullet Train to nowhere.

 

This ^.

 

This is what some people just can't understand.

16 hours ago, G_Money said:

What has the current President done?✅ 

 

Newsom has the buck.  He’s failed.

Failed at what? Climate change means wild fires will be the norm in future especially in places with hot weather, Spain and Australia experience the same things every year.

52 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I very much doubt the people who have lost their homes will regard themselves as part of an ecosystem.

 

Southern California had record rainfall in 2022 and 2023, followed by the usual dry spells. The perfect conditions for a wildfire, all that was needed was a spark and wind.

 

While the winds did not reach the record levels of 2011, 100 km/hr is still very strong.

 

There is nothing fire fighters can do in such a situation, without getting themselves killed. The radiant heat from a large fire is equivalent to that of a nuke. Taxpayers would have been howling if serious money was spent on fuel reduction.

 

Yes, we are part of an eco-system. We have been pumping CO2 into the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution. It's daft to expect the eco-system will not change as a result.

 

Everyone knows Trump lays blame any time he can. He's a disgusting turd, and you can't polish a turd.

 

IMO your post is a classic case of doublethink.

You start out by saying that you doubt that the people who lost their homes "will regard themselves as part of an ecosystem," and then a few paragraphs later  you admit "we are part of an ecosystem."  That doesn't make much sense.

 

Whether the people who lost homes consider themselves part of an ecosystem, that's where they live.  In the ecosystem. Fires go with the territory, especially when that territory has been neglected and mismanaged. 

 

As for the firefighters and the fire?  They say there was no water for the hydrants.  Instead of filling reservoirs with water, they allowed it to drain away into the ocean to "save the environment" for some fish or whatever.  And the city apparently made little effort lately to actively manage the brush.  The mayor's focus was DEI, and, to add insult to injury, she had previously cut the budget for the fire department. So call it what you want, I call it incompetence and neglect. 

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, theshu25 said:

Because he is nothing but  a total arseh.... 

 

What has the firestorm have to do with your ill informed opinion?

44 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Failed at what? Climate change means wild fires will be the norm in future especially in places with hot weather, Spain and Australia experience the same things every year.

Climate change as predicted by the current wave of tree huggers has nothing to do with it.

 

Routine seasonal Santa Ana winds wreaking havoc for most likely centuries.

2 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Why should Trump pussy foot around if the the guy was offer a solution, imagine the attacks given if it were Trump, quit the double standards because of your personal derangement

 

Yet another outright lie. Unfortunately trump cannot be banned from the Presidency due to prior cowardice by Republicans refusing to stand up and fulfil their Oath to abide by the Constitution. 

 

Facts First: This is false. Newsom has never refused to sign a “water restoration declaration.” In fact, there is no such document, as Newsom’s office said on social media on Wednesday and experts on California water policy confirmed.

“There was no ‘water restoration declaration’ for him to sign,” Jeffrey Mount, a senior fellow in the Water Policy Center at the Public Policy Institute of California think tank, said in a Wednesday interview.

“There was never a ‘water restoration declaration’ in California that the Governor refused to sign,” Brent Haddad, an environmental studies professor at the University of California, Santa Cruz, said in a Wednesday email.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/09/politics/fact-check-trump-california-wildfires-fema/index.html

 

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

I very much doubt the people who have lost their homes will regard themselves as part of an ecosystem.

 

Southern California had record rainfall in 2022 and 2023, followed by the usual dry spells. The perfect conditions for a wildfire, all that was needed was a spark and wind.

 

While the winds did not reach the record levels of 2011, 100 km/hr is still very strong.

 

There is nothing fire fighters can do in such a situation, without getting themselves killed. The radiant heat from a large fire is equivalent to that of a nuke. Taxpayers would have been howling if serious money was spent on fuel reduction.

 

Yes, we are part of an eco-system. We have been pumping CO2 into the atmosphere since the Industrial Revolution. It's daft to expect the eco-system will not change as a result.

 

Everyone knows Trump lays blame any time he can. He's a disgusting turd, and you can't polish a turd.

 

IMO your post is a classic case of doublethink.

Such a hypocrite.

 

We all know if Trump was the sitting President you would have blamed him 100%.

 

It’s what you do best.

15 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

He is correct and these outrageous policy failures will be addressed. Meanwhile, as extraordinary as it sounds, the President is Biden.

He is the president-elect, he is two weeks from taking office and it would have been appropriate for him to offer some condolences and sympathy to the thousands upon thousands of people who have been affected by these tragic fires, but he just did not have it in him. No heart, no soul Don.