The very fact that pharmaceutical companies are asking for immunity in case something goes wrong with their (rushed) vaccine against covid 19 is enough to raise serious concern for those able to think...

 

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13 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

he very fact that pharmaceutical companies are asking for immunity

As far as I have always understood it, It's always been like this, nothing new, hence the reason they rarely would go down the alley of making vaccines, i.e. until recently when governments threw money at them and guaranteed them immunity.

 

I'm happy to sit on the sidelines, watch and see how it all pans out with the guinea pigs first, and then make a decision but to be honest, without vaccines in this world, all scepticism aside, I believe it would be a darker place. 

 

Did you overlook the fact that pharmaceuticals companies will not make the decision to put their vaccine on the market. There are standard testing protocols that must be followed, strict compliance is then verified by government agencies

Now of course I'd prefer to get get vaccinated in Europe, or with vaccines approved in Europe, instead of Thailand where graft is likely to get involved in the approval process. I'd have similar concerns regarding products approved in the US, where lobbying often becomes "toxic".

Well nobody will be coming into Thailand without it once its validated so people need to make the choice

No vaccine no entry

A vaccine for some won't be good for others. The virus also mutates. 

How many different vaccines will be required?

Guinea pigs first for sure. 

1 hour ago, Boomer6969 said:

Did you overlook the fact that pharmaceuticals companies will not make the decision to put their vaccine on the market. There are standard testing protocols that must be followed, strict compliance is then verified by government agencies

Now of course I'd prefer to get get vaccinated in Europe, or with vaccines approved in Europe, instead of Thailand where graft is likely to get involved in the approval process. I'd have similar concerns regarding products approved in the US, where lobbying often becomes "toxic".

I got the influenza vaccine here in May along with the Pneumonia shot, my research led me to believe it is as safe getting her as it is overseas, wife also got her influenza jab, afterall I could just walk out of there without her sharing the experience, she is a big wuss when it comes to needles, but will take on a venomous snake, go figure ????

4 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

I got the influenza vaccine here in May along with the Pneumonia shot, my research led me to believe it is as safe getting her as it is overseas...

I got a lot of vaccinations overseas, in Indonesia, Philippines, Singapore and Thailand, and never gave it a thought that it might be less safe than in my home country.

5 hours ago, Chivas said:

Well nobody will be coming into Thailand without it once its validated so people need to make the choice

No vaccine no entry

And you have 1st hand knowledge this will be so....

I wouldn't trust any vaccine which Trump declares safe on the 2nd November.

 

Maybe sometime next year. It's definitely a good idea to wait a little. And in reality we have to wait anyhow. It will take some time before any vaccine will be mass produced for billions of people.

5 hours ago, garygooner said:

A vaccine for some won't be good for others. The virus also mutates. 

How many different vaccines will be required?

Guinea pigs first for sure. 

Efficacy is a moot point.  It doesn't matter.  What matters is how much money the pharmaceutical companies will amass once governments mandate the vaccine. 
$60 a pop.  7 Billion people.  1 dose.  And of course, they'll need to be a regular vaccination schedule to make sure the world isn't wiped out by killer Covid.  This will soon be a multi-trillion dollar industry.
Money that will of course roll downhill as 'campaign contributions' to the politicians who support legislation that mandates as well as provides blanket protection (indemnification) of all companies producing 'approved' Covid vaccine. 

Humanity is a captive audience.  The vaccines could kill as many as the virus itself in the long term but the reaction from those racking in the cash will be, "Ho hum, it's the price humanity must pay to be protected from the killer virus." 
If the vaccine is 'completely safe and effective' than those who make it should be liable for adverse results.  Because they are not, there is no incentive to actually produce a vaccine that is safe as well as effective because - "We need a vaccine now!"  And once will be produced in a jiffy and injected into every human on the planet.

What could go wrong? 

35 minutes ago, Puccini said:

I got a lot of vaccinations overseas, in Indonesia, Philippines, Singapore and Thailand, and never gave it a thought that it might be less safe than in my home country.

I've had no vaccinations in over 50 years, been all over the world, I'm still here.

Had flu once in the past 10 years, but it might have been COVID.

 

Funny old world, those people with all the vaccinations seem to get ill more often than me.

Probably my fault.

44 minutes ago, Puccini said:

I got a lot of vaccinations overseas, in Indonesia, Philippines, Singapore and Thailand, and never gave it a thought that it might be less safe than in my home country.

And it is not 

George Carlin would not have approved of a hastily released vaccine.

 

His sketch on germs has some amusing opinions.

 

Youtube search . George Carkin germs.

14 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I've had no vaccinations in over 50 years, been all over the world, I'm still here.

Had flu once in the past 10 years, but it might have been COVID.

 

Funny old world, those people with all the vaccinations seem to get ill more often than me.

Probably my fault.

It is because generations of other less selfish people have had their vaccinations that you have been able to travel disease free!!!!

18 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I've had no vaccinations in over 50 years, been all over the world, I'm still here.

Had flu once in the past 10 years, but it might have been COVID.

 

Funny old world, those people with all the vaccinations seem to get ill more often than me.

Probably my fault.

Same for me.

 

I have elderly friends in the USA who get flu shots religiously and have had bouts of flu four out of the past ten years that I've known them!

 

I don't want a vaccine against a virus. I want immunity against the State.

6 hours ago, Chivas said:

Well nobody will be coming into Thailand without it once its validated so people need to make the choice

No vaccine no entry

I hope that's not the new requirement in Thailand. 

 

Every foreigner need to have covid test and vaccine?

10 minutes ago, warcy said:

I hope that's not the new requirement in Thailand. 

 

Every foreigner need to have covid test and vaccine?

Fake news on having to be vaccinated started by the post you responded to.  Nothing anywhere that says a vaccination will be required.

45 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I've had no vaccinations in over 50 years, been all over the world, I'm still here...

I got my vaccinations because they were required by some of the countries to which I chose to travel or because they were part of the requirements of getting my work permit in some countries. One time, when I had forgotten to get a revaccination in advance, the airlines medical service at the airport of departure administered it to me.

 

It has been suggested by some posters that Thailand may require a SARS-CoV-2 vaccination when the borders reopen and it remains to be seen how this develops.

1 hour ago, Puccini said:

I got my vaccinations because they were required by some of the countries to which I chose to travel or because they were part of the requirements of getting my work permit in some countries. One time, when I had forgotten to get a revaccination in advance, the airlines medical service at the airport of departure administered it to me.

 

It has been suggested by some posters that Thailand may require a SARS-CoV-2 vaccination when the borders reopen and it remains to be seen how this develops.

Posters not official government persons. So do you want to believe a poster or wait for the real news when and if it comes. Why worry now. Wait to see what actually happens.

10 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I wouldn't trust any vaccine which Trump declares safe on the 2nd November.

 

Maybe sometime next year. It's definitely a good idea to wait a little. And in reality we have to wait anyhow. It will take some time before any vaccine will be mass produced for billions of people.

The FDA approves vaccines in the US.   There is information about that process here:  https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/basics/test-approve.html

 

It's always wise to consult your doctor about getting a new vaccine.   Some groups of people may be advised against a specific vaccine.   Different vaccines work in different ways.   So, if there are mass immunization programs and you have any doubts, check with your doctor.  

 

10 hours ago, trucking said:

George Carlin would not have approved of a hastily released vaccine.

 

His sketch on germs has some amusing opinions.

 

Youtube search . George Carkin germs.

Ah...George Carlin-the well respected scientist,medical researcher and epidemiologist.

 

No wonder that Western social media seems to consist of "tweets" produced ad nauseam by the intellectually challenged.

19 hours ago, Brunolem said:

he very fact that pharmaceutical companies are asking for immunity in case something goes wrong

They have always done that. Why do you continue this fear mongering? Just make your own decision and live with it.

30 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

intellectually challenged.

Some are still able to think for themselves, don't knock them! ???? 

1 minute ago, CGW said:

Some are still able to think for themselves, don't knock them! ???? 

Really..

George Carlin eh?

What's next..Bugs Bunny..Daffy Duck...W.C Fields?

 

The spurious claims that American right wing "libertarians" somehow "think" for themselves are accepted only by their ideological compatriots.

 

So I will "knock " them as much as I like thank you.

This NCOVID19 is called SARS2. Go take a look at how the SARS1 vaccine is doing... that will tell you a little about what to expect with the SARS2 vaccine. Hint: things haven't gone well. 

5 minutes ago, Tounge Thaied said:

This NCOVID19 is called SARS2. Go take a look at how the SARS1 vaccine is doing... that will tell you a little about what to expect with the SARS2 vaccine. Hint: things haven't gone well. 

What if Covid-19 vaccine produced is a placebo...

17 hours ago, Chivas said:

Well nobody will be coming into Thailand without it once its validated so people need to make the choice

No vaccine no entry

I think you might be spot on, I am in my sixties never had a flu shot in my life, but if I need a a vac to get back to Thailand I will

2 hours ago, Scott said:

The FDA approves vaccines in the US.   There is information about that process here:  https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/basics/test-approve.html

And how independent are they?

Hopefully they make all their decisions based on science. But looking at the current situation with this unprincipled president in charge we see how he and his administration fired lots of qualified people which he didn't like and then they were replaced often with less qualified people. Then add i.e. the Boing disaster from that plane which was supposed to be cleared from that supposed to be independent organization and we all should get an idea how much we can trust them.  

1 hour ago, Odysseus123 said:

Really..

George Carlin eh?

What's next..Bugs Bunny..Daffy Duck...W.C Fields?

 

The spurious claims that American right wing "libertarians" somehow "think" for themselves are accepted only by their ideological compatriots.

 

So I will "knock " them as much as I like thank you.

 

 

Actually, George Carlin was a comedian who's remit was to make people laugh , something he was good at.

 

His parodying of popular beliefs and opinions was what made him famous. Humorous takes on current affairs , that is all.

 

To assume he was a serious contributor to anything is in itself commical.