Brexit brinkmanship: EU orders UK to scrap plan for treaty breach, UK refuses

[3NUMBAS]

4 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Let me explain basic maths to you. 
 

So, for every vote Johnson loses, the opposition gains one, therefore if Johnson loses 10 supporters in reality his majority is cut by 20.
 

So if he loses 30 votes, his majority is cut by 60. 
 

And lets not forget, it is you who said the 30 are now opposition.

Duh indeed. 
 

LMAO

wont happen as labour and starmer are hated with a vengeance ,,their airhead flat cap  voters are all dead and labour wont be back in power any time in the next 100 years despite your wishfull thinking..

[forehandplus]

4 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

It's all about the momentum. If the 3rd largest economy agrees a trade deal with the UK, it sends out a powerful signal. That's all I'm saying. 

And what signal would that be? Get on the train before it leaves the station? No country is going to be stampeded into signing a treaty. 

And even a free trade treaty with the U.S. is going to have a miniscule effect on the UK economy. That's according to a UK government analysis. There already is a huge amount of trade between the UK and the USA. And that's because there isn't much in the way of obstacles to it. Tariffs are mostly low or nonexistent.

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

I have not said the BBC didn't cover it. It's on the BBC website for those who want to look for it, and yes BBC world news have it on their banner. 

What I am saying is the main news programs for viewers in the UK (News at 10 on BBC / ITV) don't cover it. And the same goes for the main radio stations.  Can you not see the difference? 

I’m sorry but again that is not true.

 

I have watched reports on the bbc news about the deal.
 

They covered it. 

Edited September 12, 2020 by Bluespunk
Better wording

[Bluespunk]

Just now, 3NUMBAS said:

wont happen as labour and starmer are hated with a vengeance ,,their airhead flat cap  voters are all dead and labour wont be back in power any time in the next 100 years despite your wishfull thinking..

Irrelevant.
 

My post was pointing out the posters basic maths skills are weak. 

[3NUMBAS]

[forehandplus]

7 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

Said sovereign country signed and ratified a treaty with the EU. And now that the UK proposes to renege, the EU has no business criticizing said decision? So sovereignty entitles a nation to double dealing?

[polpott]

28 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

I can't imagine you realise who you are quoting:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Bryson

 

"Jamie Bryson is a loyalist activist in Northern Ireland who originally attracted media attention as a leading figure in the Belfast City Hall flag protests.

Bryson has been publicly linked in Northern Irish media to the UVF, which is proscribed as a terrorist group by the United Kingdom, Republic of Ireland, and United States"

 

Not someone whose word I would rely on.

[CG1 Blue]

54 minutes ago, forehandplus said:

And what signal would that be? Get on the train before it leaves the station? No country is going to be stampeded into signing a treaty. 

And even a free trade treaty with the U.S. is going to have a miniscule effect on the UK economy. That's according to a UK government analysis. There already is a huge amount of trade between the UK and the USA. And that's because there isn't much in the way of obstacles to it. Tariffs are mostly low or nonexistent.

The point is that Europhiles continually tell us that the UK will not get trade deals done. We'd already replicated half of the trade deals we had being part of the EU by early 2020, and the Japan deal adds to that. That is positive news. We don't hear a lot of positive news these days! 

Yes, it would be great if we get a trade deal with the EU, but if we don't our businesses will adapt. They always do. And many new businesses will spring up to take advantage of our new nimble global reach. 

 

[forehandplus]

6 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

The point is that Europhiles continually tell us that the UK will not get trade deals done. We'd already replicated half of the trade deals we had being part of the EU by early 2020, and the Japan deal adds to that. That is positive news. We don't hear a lot of positive news these days! 

Yes, it would be great if we get a trade deal with the EU, but if we don't our businesses will adapt. They always do. And many new businesses will spring up to take advantage of our new nimble global reach. 

 

And the universaly observed economic phenomenon that the geographically closer countries are the more that they trade with each other doesn't apply to the UK because....magic?

[CG1 Blue]

13 minutes ago, forehandplus said:

And the universaly observed economic phenomenon that the geographically closer countries are the more that they trade with each other doesn't apply to the UK because....magic?

Did I say that? I said it would be great if we got a deal with the EU. If we don't there will be challenges, but not insurmountable ones. 

 

Your comment would have more validity if the UK voted to leave the EU purely on economic grounds. But we didn't. 

[polpott]

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

Your comment would have more validity if the UK voted to leave the EU purely on economic grounds. But we didn't. 

But we should have done. Its the only part of brexit that really affects UK PLC, the pound in your pocket and jobs.

[CG1 Blue]

4 minutes ago, polpott said:

But we should have done. Its the only part of brexit that really affects UK PLC, the pound in your pocket and jobs.

In your mind maybe. And that's why those on your side and those on my side will never agree. 

[polpott]

1 minute ago, CG1 Blue said:

In your mind maybe. And that's why those on your side and those on my side will never agree. 

Well maybe those on your side may come round to my way of thinking when they're out of a job, their pension is worth half of what it is now and they're watching Johnson, Mogg and their backers sailing off to the Caymen Islands having trousered their winnings.

[CG1 Blue]

2 minutes ago, polpott said:

Well maybe those on your side may come round to my way of thinking when they're out of a job, their pension is worth half of what it is now and they're watching Johnson, Mogg and their backers sailing off to the Caymen Islands having trousered their winnings.

Or maybe those things you predict won't happen. Ever considered that? 

[izod10]

9 hours ago, evadgib said:

St Nigel explains the current situation (from 8 mins)...

 

Boris Johnson set to opt out of human rights laws

Prime Minister to open second confrontation with EU in bid to ease migrant deportation cases

Boris going for broke  (Telegraph) This will get the EU in yet another spin,Patel looking for areas offshore to dump the ever growing masses.

 Got to admire the Greek authorities on Lesbos,bit of tear gas never hurt anybody,well not for long  anyway  Patel seeking areas offshore to go Aussie style,no need for ATMs either

[elliss]

On 9/11/2020 at 4:32 AM, Somtamnication said:

Therein lies the problem: EU ORDERS THE UK....God, please, leave now!

 

   Jump before you are kicked out ..

[Airbagwill]

"Project Fear" - Brexiteers can't argue, they don't have an argument, they do however have a series of cliches ... 

"got over it" "take back control" and :project fear" the latter being the favourite.

The great thing about this is that they actually publish this phrase online

 

Already these predictions are coming home to roost and over the next 18 months they will become more and more obvious.

I have to say it will give me a frisson of schadenfreude to search these repeated cliches and one by one tick off the "project fears" as they become a harsh reality.

 

 

 

[david555]

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/sep/13/tory-rebellion-widens-boris-johnson-bill-override-brexit-deal

 

Tory rebellion widens over Boris Johnson's bill to override Brexit deal

Criticism grows of plan to break international law as EU calls for bill to be dropped

 

Simon Murphy, Daniel Boffey and Owen Bowcott

 

Sun 13 Sep 2020 21.00 BST

Last modified on Sun 13 Sep 2020 21.12 BST

 

Downing Street is facing a showdown with Conservative backbench rebels as criticism over its plans to break international law with a new controversial bill that could override parts of the Brexit withdrawal agreement grew louder on Sunday.

 

It is understood that opposition among the party is growing, with dozens of Tory MPs expected to support a key amendment to the internal market bill that would give parliament a crucial veto of any changes to the agreement.

 

MPs will have an opportunity to air their opposition during a second reading and debate of the bill on Monday, when it will also be put to a vote before passing to committee stage. A number of Tory MPs intend to abstain on Monday’s vote, with up to 30 expected to back the amendment tabled by Sir Bob Neill, chair of the justice select committee, next week.

 

Edited September 13, 2020 by david555

[welovesundaysatspace]

 

5 hours ago, david555 said:

 

Tory rebellion widens over Boris Johnson's bill to override Brexit deal

Criticism grows of plan to break international law as EU calls for bill to be dropped

 

Let’s hope it stays just below the majority he needs, so we can still impose fines and sanctions on top of not having a trade agreement during a bad recession and pandemic. That’s what these frauds deserve. 

 

[david555]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/09/13/justice-secretary-threatens-quit-brexit-divorce-deal/

 

Robert Buckland's warning comes as ministers seek to quell growing Tory rebellion over plans to amend agreement

 

By Gordon Rayner, Political Editor and Amy Jones, Political Correspondent 13 September 2020 • 8:34pm

 

The Justice Secretary has said he will resign over any "unacceptable" breach of international law as Boris tried to quell a Tory rebellion over his plans to amend the Brexit divorce deal....

Edited September 14, 2020 by david555

[Kwasaki]

On 9/11/2020 at 4:06 AM, webfact said:

U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Britain would not get a trade deal with the United States if it did anything to undermine the 1998 Northern Irish peace deal.

There's your answer EU and stop ordering countries. ????

[david555]

6 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

There's your answer EU and stop ordering countries. ????

Yes ...and go "rule the waves "now in your bath tub ....????

Edited September 14, 2020 by david555

[Rookiescot]

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

Yes ...and go "rule the waves "now in your bath tub ....????

They changed it to "Waives the rules".

[david555]

I wonder if little dictator is not yet considering declaring "emergance situation "or "martial law "....seeing his situation envolving.......Oh !! …  I forgot , .....or prorogation of parliament maybe  once more ..?????  ????

Edited September 14, 2020 by david555

[vogie]

Nothing worse than a scorned Euro. ????????????

[polpott]

12 minutes ago, Victornoir said:

a dangerous model for the other associated nations (Scotland, Wales, Gibraltar and some islands).

Scotland maybe, the rest, not in our lifetime.

[transam]

15 minutes ago, Victornoir said:

Me too.

 

The majority of the English do not want the community of European nations. We must let them go and live their adventure alone and far from us, without conflict or bullying but without weakness either.

 

Regarding NI, BJ's turnarounds will sooner or later lead to the reunification of Ireland. Simple and practical solution for all except a weakening of the UK and a dangerous model for the other associated nations (Scotland, Wales, Gibraltar and some islands).

[polpott]

Just now, transam said:

Is that a tinfoil hat he's wearing? Should be.

[david555]

11 minutes ago, vogie said:

Nothing worse than a scorned Euro. ????????????

no..., just smelling the coffee ….. and croissants …. !????

[transam]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

no..., just smelling the coffee ….. and croissants …. !????

...........whilst reading my new EU tax demands.....????............................????