32 minutes ago, kiwikeith said:

 

Vaccine manufacture was discussed on a good news program yesterday, Rick Sanchez interviewed some smart people and asked them why the vaccine development which has been funded with your tax payer money was going to make the big boys like Pfizer and Moderna billions, and that is because legislation was passed years ago that allowed drug companies to own the rights to vaccines produced by tax payers money.

 

So you have paid for it already ,if you go private you pay again 3rd time, and the govt is already paying for it again and delivering it to you free ,at which time your free dose has been paid for twice.

These companies aren't necessarily going to make a killing on the jabs. Some have already backed out, losing a lot. As usual, it's complicated. But in the end, some took huge risks to come yp with these jabs. Only makes sense they should make a profit for us shareholders.  

 

Worth a read.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55170756

No vaccine for me at all thanks, I will wait a year or two and see what the side effects are first thankyou!

6 hours ago, JackGats said:

Quote: "Our policy is to not leave anyone behind and we must inoculate anyone at risk of spreading the virus, not only Thais. So the vaccines will cover everyone that resides in Thailand,” he added."

 

Everyone that (who?) resides in Thailand. That means not the expats on non-O or non-OA visas as they as not considered residents.

What utter nonsense! The very first line says:

 

'Thailand has repeated its commitment to give everyone in the country - including expats and migrant workers - vaccinations against COVID-19'.

 

This is in line the USA and the UK and no doubt many other countries as well in that even illegal immigrants will be given the vaccine. No checks, no questions asked.

 

18 minutes ago, theonetrueaussie said:

No vaccine for me at all thanks, I will wait a year or two and see what the side effects are first thankyou!

Assuming you don't die first.

13 hours ago, billd766 said:

AFAIK the farangs I meet socially maybe once every 4 to 6 weeks are all still here in rural Kamphaeng Phet, as are most of the ones that I know that live further away. That is about 40 or so that I know personally.

 

We must live in different areas and have different friends if you think that quote " most of his western expats and retired folks 

with the strong baht, the insurance requirement and others nice ideas."

Everyone I know in Pattaya is still here, too.

9 hours ago, Pinot said:

14 hours ago, smedly said:

100% agree

 

no way will I be allowing anything from China into my body 

 

Why is this racist nonsense allowed? 

China is not a race it is a country. A country with a very untrustworthy government that did little to stop the spread of covid19 outside its borders. 

Why would you think foreigners wouldn’t be included in the first place? That’s an extremely racist suggestion that foreigners might not be included. 

If we are going to be forced to take this vaccine AND pay for it in order to be able to travel, I am on the first available flight outta here! ????

NOT the Chinese vaccine for me. 

If the CCP was willing to lie about the existence of a pandemic , then anything they produce is hardly worthy of trust  ever since .

Theres already debate about the efficacies they claim.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-55642648?fbclid=IwAR2UMHhp4Ka0TzR-zrh4WvzKvMHAlYDlKjtdnYK4prUbhavugUZlGGUj1Bc

The CCP is almost openly committed to destroying all that it does not stand for and spends every waking moment looking at ways to further its cause.

As such we all should be depriving it of any  oxygen , and DEFINITELY not consuming what its state run laboratories  produce.

8 minutes ago, zaZa9 said:

NOT the Chinese vaccine for me. 

If the CCP was willing to lie about the existence of a pandemic , then anything they produce is hardly worthy of trust  ever since .

Theres already debate about the efficacies they claim.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-55642648?fbclid=IwAR2UMHhp4Ka0TzR-zrh4WvzKvMHAlYDlKjtdnYK4prUbhavugUZlGGUj1Bc

The CCP is almost openly committed to destroying all that it does not stand for and spends every waking moment looking at ways to further its cause.

As such we all should be depriving it of any  oxygen , and DEFINITELY not consuming what its state run laboratories  produce.

Agree.
Sputnik VII it is...

Having done enough research to be able to make an informative judgement, I have decided to decline getting the "experimental vaccines", of any kind at the moment.

 

When the vaccine has been tested more, with more information coming along down the track, I will then perhaps revise my decision based on the science, not what people in the same position for decades advise me and others, currently they are "experimental vaccines" from the interpretation under emergency use, and because every Tom, Dick & Harry are getting there's doesn't mean I am getting mine.

 

More information needs to be coming in, it was enough that they changed the procedures as to how to complete death certificates when the virus first surfaced, e.g. anyone dying within 28 days of being tested positive was have their death put down that they died from COVID, regardless if they have comorbidities with the virus or died in a car accident, this is fact, so that made the death count to be way way over inflated, the procedure later changing back to how deaths should be reported as per normal allowing for commentary noting that the deceased also tested positive to COVID within the last 28 days, suffice to say if you had a stroke (underlying condition) previously from the past, and tested with a positive result within the past 28 days, your death certificate should say deceased from a stroke with the commentary noting the deceased was tested positive from COVID within the past 28 days.

 

Not wanting to sound like a conspiracy theorist, COVID is very real, is very contagious, but it is not a death wish, the % of those recovering without any issues or even realising that they had it are very very high, the latest information from research states that most times people don't even have a fever, yet everywhere you go, you are tested for your temperature, it is now know that the symptoms are a soar throat, muscle pains, usually the back area, loss of taste and smell and fatigue.

 

The vaccine doesn't even protect others if you have been vaccinated, go figure.

 

It will allegedly give you up to 95% efficacy and yet you will still be asymptomatic, W-T-F, ok, it will protect you up to 95% depending on the "experimental vaccine" you get, but no information on how it will affect those with underlying conditions, maybe down the track with more information we will know, so I say, let everyone else get it to build up herd immunity and maybe, just maybe I will just get through it, in the meantime I will still to get my annual flu jab, and Pneumonia booster this year.

 

If the governments make it mandatory for visa renewals and or entry back to my homeland, and airlines not allowing you on board without a vaccine stamp, then I will revisit my options which would slowly be fading, but not without challenges of course, force is not something I take to easily.

 

Here's to more years on this planet without the "experimental vaccine" or bureaucratic idiots making stupid decisions that effect the odd black sheep. 

15 hours ago, stuandjulie said:

Could be worse, it could be the Thai vaccine which is going for trial with a whole test base of 250 people, as opposed to the tens of thousands of people for the Western ones!

Same Thai logic as test low numbers find few infections. Thai vaccine tested on 250 individuals any severe reactions will only be a few people, do a little 'preferential' maths, hey presto, the best vaccine ever created.

16 hours ago, kingofthemountain said:

Thailand has already lost most of his western expats and retired folks 

with the strong baht, the insurance requirment and others nice ideas

so yes why not lose the last few still here with another requirment, it makes perfect sense

As Angkar frequently said during the Khmer Rouge, "To keep you is no benefit, to destroy you is no loss."

 

I think the current Thai government thinks this way about most Wester expats these days. 

16 hours ago, Jonathan Fairfield said:

Expats in Thailand to be given COVID-19 vaccine: CCSA

Hallelujah... hope it's not followed by an Amen

you are all worrying too much

it wont be compulsory to take the Chinese rubbish

it wont be long before the hospitals have their own supplies of the others.

not applicable to me anyway.

i dont want any of them, i will rely on my immune system thanks.

if they deport me........hey ho......not really enjoying it here any more anyway.

already researching Philippines.

47 minutes ago, Walter Travolta said:

If we are going to be forced to take this vaccine AND pay for it in order to be able to travel, I am on the first available flight outta here! ????

I'm sure Tanzania will welcome you with open arms. Most of the rest of the world will be requiring the jab to travel or visit.  Good luck.

31 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Having done enough research to be able to make an informative judgement, I have decided to decline getting the "experimental vaccines", of any kind at the moment.

 

When the vaccine has been tested more, with more information coming along down the track, I will then perhaps revise my decision based on the science, not what people in the same position for decades advise me and others, currently they are "experimental vaccines" from the interpretation under emergency use, and because every Tom, Dick & Harry are getting there's doesn't mean I am getting mine.

 

More information needs to be coming in, it was enough that they changed the procedures as to how to complete death certificates when the virus first surfaced, e.g. anyone dying within 28 days of being tested positive was have their death put down that they died from COVID, regardless if they have comorbidities with the virus or died in a car accident, this is fact, so that made the death count to be way way over inflated, the procedure later changing back to how deaths should be reported as per normal allowing for commentary noting that the deceased also tested positive to COVID within the last 28 days, suffice to say if you had a stroke (underlying condition) previously from the past, and tested with a positive result within the past 28 days, your death certificate should say deceased from a stroke with the commentary noting the deceased was tested positive from COVID within the past 28 days.

 

Not wanting to sound like a conspiracy theorist, COVID is very real, is very contagious, but it is not a death wish, the % of those recovering without any issues or even realising that they had it are very very high, the latest information from research states that most times people don't even have a fever, yet everywhere you go, you are tested for your temperature, it is now know that the symptoms are a soar throat, muscle pains, usually the back area, loss of taste and smell and fatigue.

 

The vaccine doesn't even protect others if you have been vaccinated, go figure.

 

It will allegedly give you up to 95% efficacy and yet you will still be asymptomatic, W-T-F, ok, it will protect you up to 95% depending on the "experimental vaccine" you get, but no information on how it will affect those with underlying conditions, maybe down the track with more information we will know, so I say, let everyone else get it to build up herd immunity and maybe, just maybe I will just get through it, in the meantime I will still to get my annual flu jab, and Pneumonia booster this year.

 

If the governments make it mandatory for visa renewals and or entry back to my homeland, and airlines not allowing you on board without a vaccine stamp, then I will revisit my options which would slowly be fading, but not without challenges of course, force is not something I take to easily.

 

Here's to more years on this planet without the "experimental vaccine" or bureaucratic idiots making stupid decisions that effect the odd black sheep. 

Don't forget, the jab isn't just for you. It's also for the rest of us trying to not get sick or die.  

 

15 hours ago, Crossy said:

 

In Thailand the left side is the right side. Could someone tell our local farmers please they seem to think that suicide is the correct side. 

Thats coz the other side of the road is for drying rice

As long as it's not conditional or mandatory. I nearly died from having vaccines and I am not going through that again. My unvaccinated body is no threat to anyone's vaccinated one. I have been self isolating for over 7 years anyway.

17 hours ago, Somtamnication said:

If it is the Chinese version, no thanks. I would rather be deported!

Could we please set up a separate part of TVF for the knee-jerk sinophobes to play in?

Does that mean Moderna and Pfizer will be approved for private hospitals to distribute ? Hopefully so

17 hours ago, kingofthemountain said:

Thailand has already lost most of his western expats and retired folks 

with the strong baht, the insurance requirment and others nice ideas

so yes why not lose the last few still here with another requirment, it makes perfect sense

Not really, as there are plenty of us still hiding away here.

Wake me up around the end of the year when it might be available for me. Thanks in advance. Zzzzz 

16 hours ago, stuandjulie said:

Could be worse, it could be the Thai vaccine which is going for trial with a whole test base of 250 people, as opposed to the tens of thousands of people for the Western ones!

 

Testing is done in phases. This is just the initial phase... primarily for safety and dosage. The last phase is when they test thousands of people and it becomes ready for approval (assuming all the tests go well).

9 minutes ago, Bim Smith said:

As long as it's not conditional or mandatory. I nearly died from having vaccines and I am not going through that again. My unvaccinated body is no threat to anyone's vaccinated one. I have been self isolating for over 7 years anyway.

 

No country is forcing it yet because there is still short supply. They don’t even recommend you take it if you are allergic to the ingredients in the vaccines. However, in the future it might be required to enter certain countries just like yellow fever vaccine is requirements  to enter some countries.

17 hours ago, Somtamnication said:

If it is the Chinese version, no thanks. I would rather be deported!

I certainly hope no TV members were injured in the stampede to post their usual, predictable negative comments.

1 hour ago, newnative said:

Everyone I know in Pattaya is still here, too.

Same here, and that includes my contacts in other cities too.

Just visit Jomtien (or I guess any similar) IO to get some measure of the still flourishing ‘foreign community’ here.

6 minutes ago, Suradit69 said:

I certainly hope no TV members were injured in the stampede to post their usual, predictable negative comments.

No it is just the rest of us (the sane ones) who get the breath crushed out of us.  The death toll probably also explains why some posters here think we no longer exist in large numbers! 

17 hours ago, Crossy said:

 

ditto for the Chula version.

 

Hopefully there will be a paid option to get Pfizer, Oxford etc. (not Sputnik).

There will be a paid version of all vaccines for expats, you can be sure.

t will takes years before any expat will get offered the vaccine.Just wait and see.