All eyes on China’s Sinovac – Thailand’s vaccine choice for emergency

[webfact]

 

By Thai PBS World’s General Desk

 

Sinovac’s COVID-19 vaccine is coming under greater public scrutiny as the Thai government procures millions more doses.

 

Thailand has already imported 6 million doses of the vaccine – also known as CoronaVac – from China, including 500,000 jabs donated by the Chinese government. Next month, Thailand will take delivery of another 3 million doses of the Chinese vaccine. Most Thais who have been vaccinated received CoronaVac, which will soon be administered to several million more.

 

As a result, the Thai public is keen to find out more about this inactivated vaccine.

 

How effective is CoronaVac?

Data from a clinical trial in Brazil show CoronaVac was 50.4% effective at preventing symptomatic infections overall. However, it was 78 per cent effective in preventing mild to serious cases that need hospitalisation.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/all-eyes-on-chinas-sinovac-thailands-vaccine-choice-for-emergency/

 

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[Pottinger]

Not exactly Gold Standard then.

[Pattaya Spotter]

7 minutes ago, webfact said:

However, it was 78 per cent effective in preventing mild to serious cases that need hospitalisation.

And that's the key ???? Before a couple companies hit it out of the park with mRNA vaccines, anything 50% plus effective was (and still is?) the US FDA's standard for approval for a Covid-19 coronavirus vaccine. 

[Andrew Dwyer]

More importantly:

How does the Sinovac fare against the U.K. and Indian variants ??

and :

Is it accepted for travelling to different countries ?

[keith101]

3 minutes ago, Pottinger said:

Not exactly Gold Standard then.

Definitely not but it is the cheapest . 

[RichardColeman]

All eyes on China’s Sinovac – Thailand’s vaccine choice for emergency

 

Bit like saying we'll take the Disabled three wheeler car as their is nothing else left in the car lot.

[DirtyHarry55]

AT $20 a shot It's very good for the brown envelope brigade though!
Let's hope it's effective against the Indian variant without needing 2 shots otherwise xxxx!
Go ask Thailand best Chula professor he swears by it lol.
 

[clivebaxter]

Don't be too unkind, the Chinese did make a very good virus 

[kiwiaussie]

8 minutes ago, Pottinger said:

Not exactly Gold Standard then.

Yes, but so what? If that’s what’s on offer I’ll take it and top up later when the good stuff arrives.

 

An efficacy of 55% is still better than zero. If I get a free Chinese language download the all the better! 

[holy cow cm]

They should not play with the double name as may dupe people into thinking it is ok. Just say it is the Chinese vaccine Sinovac and let everyone decide if they want to jab. It should not be forced on anyone unsure or unwilling. AZ apparently is not the best for people under 60 and some state under 30. So what real choice do the people really have if they do not want the Chinese one and it is recommended for safety to not jab with the Thai made one under a certain age? Stop the games and smoke and mirrors and plainly expedite all other vaccine like the real winners being Pfizer and Moderna. The last two are me and my family's choice as well so so many others I have heard from and read for their choice. We all have the right for what to jab with and whom that supports and the right to block what we don't want and the what we don't support. 

[ryane66]

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/middle-east/article/3133977/coronavirus-uae-offer-third-dose-recipients-chinas-sinopharm

[holy cow cm]

11 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

All eyes on China’s Sinovac – Thailand’s vaccine choice for emergency

 

Bit like saying we'll take the Disabled three wheeler car as their is nothing else left in the car lot.

Or a broken crutch is better than no crutch? Or even two crutches needed to walk are not even lenght, but it is better to walk in a circle than not to walk?

[Mavideol]

26 minutes ago, webfact said:

CoronaVac was 50.4% effective at preventing symptomatic infections overall.

why take it if only 50% effective, currently anybody with good immune system  has 50/50 %  (or more) chances of getting infected if getting the Chinese vax still have the same 50/50 % chances, why get it

[SmartyMarty]

[DavisH]

7 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

why take it if only 50% effective, currently anybody with good immune system  has 50/50 %  (or more) chances of getting infected if getting the Chinese vax still have the same 50/50 % chances, why get it

The often quoted 50% is for those with mild infections - which you could just recover from at home. It is more effective against serious infections, and should heelp you out of the crematorium. This is the way most vaccines work. 

What we don't know for sinovac is how long the antibody titre stays high, and when another booster shot may be needed. 

[Fex Bluse]

I called it. Very probable they conspired with China to ensure only Sinovac was available in Thailand for some time. 

 

Good luck cheerleaders with your Chinese vaccines! 

 

Love it

[DavisH]

Just now, SmartyMarty said:

These are from trials, and not real world data. Research from the UK shows astrazeneca and pfizer have similar efficacies at stopping symptomatic infection. There are a few reports like this

one: https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/evidence-indicates-astrazeneca-and-pfizer-covid-va

[Rhacsyn]

9 minutes ago, DavisH said:

These are from trials, and not real world data. Research from the UK shows astrazeneca and pfizer have similar efficacies at stopping symptomatic infection. There are a few reports like this

one: https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/evidence-indicates-astrazeneca-and-pfizer-covid-va

 

There are other reports too. Not questioning the numbers, but looking at the complexities of a comparioson. It is from late March and been posted before:

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DK3odScka55A&ved=2ahUKEwjP_qft1NzwAhUg4jgGHZZsBRQQwqsBegQIBRAE&usg=AOvVaw2PRvM4DQajEJt47ANm-YSq&cshid=1621665058985

 

 

[ramrod711]

40 minutes ago, kiwiaussie said:

Yes, but so what? If that’s what’s on offer I’ll take it and top up later when the good stuff arrives.

 

An efficacy of 55% is still better than zero. If I get a free Chinese language download the all the better! 

That has been my thinking as well, take what you can get and pay for a Moderna or Pfizer later. But... experts seem to be having doubts about mixing vaccines now. I'll be wanting confirmation that the practice is safe before I mix and match.

[Boomer6969]

I'd take the Sinovac right now as it gives some protection and would ease domestic travel, if not overseas. Then I'd wait for better shots to become available from the private sector.

[gearbox]

58 minutes ago, Fex Bluse said:

I called it. Very probable they conspired with China to ensure only Sinovac was available in Thailand for some time. 

 

Good luck cheerleaders with your Chinese vaccines! 

 

Love it

 

I'm wondering what the Chinese haters would say if instead Sinovac, not AZ was selected by a certain company to manufacture exclusively, without much competition the vaccines for most of the Thais. Imagine the sizes of the brown envelopes discussed.

 

In other news from the FT's interview with the AZ CEO:

 

"But the plan had been disrupted by “bad luck” and “people misunderstanding things”, he claimed. Now back in AstraZeneca’s Cambridge office, after running the company via Zoom from Australia for many months, he said the attacks it had received had been “traumatic”."

 

Hiding in Australia, where there is no covid, and running a multi-billion company remotely via Zoom doesn't inspire much confidence.

[Justgrazing]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

 

How effective is CoronaVac?

Data from a clinical trial in Brazil show CoronaVac was 50.4%

 

Great stuff .. get down the local casino and stick some on red .. or should that be black then .. still it is a bit more successful than a fecal implant .. which is only one turd .. 

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, kiwiaussie said:

Yes, but so what? If that’s what’s on offer I’ll take it and top up later when the good stuff arrives.

 

An efficacy of 55% is still better than zero. If I get a free Chinese language download the all the better! 

I'll take the placebo... no one seems to get sick from that.

[greg71]

1 hour ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

More importantly:

How does the Sinovac fare against the U.K. and Indian variants ??

and :

Is it accepted for travelling to different countries ?

Looking at this article it seems like those vaccinated with Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson will be allowed into the EU 
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2021/05/19/eu-eases-travel-restrictions-for-vaccinated-visitors-covid-safe-countries/5161337001/?fbclid=IwAR2kyIwAXCkkhOYr96PW65dt9gHAzJN7ykjVfFRH3mpaUT4uMS9M4JqRzXo

[cclub75]

You want to know about chinese vaccines ?

 

Let the Chinese speak about them !

????

 

Gao <deleted>, head of the Chinese Centres for Disease Control and Prevention, on Saturday said at a conference the current vaccines "don't have very high rates of protection".

 

(But hopefully, it was all a misunderstanding....)

 

He added that his earlier admission that Chinese vaccines had a low protection rate were a "complete misunderstanding".

 

Source : https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-56713663

 

It reminds me Inspector "Dirty" Harry Callahan : "Do you feel lucky ? Well do you, punk ?" ????

[4MyEgo]

2 hours ago, Rhacsyn said:

There are other reports too. Not questioning the numbers, but looking at the complexities of a comparioson. It is from late March and been posted before:

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DK3odScka55A&ved=2ahUKEwjP_qft1NzwAhUg4jgGHZZsBRQQwqsBegQIBRAE&usg=AOvVaw2PRvM4DQajEJt47ANm-YSq&cshid=1621665058985

 

Thanks, I saw that video earlier, and attach a link below which goes further into the efficacy of the Pfizer, Moderna and J&J vaccines, in the trials and some updated reports.

 

At the end of the day it is impressive to see how far these vaccines protect you from the critical care side of things, which at the end of the day is what we all want.

 

This Dr also discussed clotting events and other side effects which we should all be wanting to know. What was my take away from all of this, was that J&J is my take home jab if available before the others as it's a one dose vaccine and within 28 days I will have the protection required as opposed to waiting for another shot with 50% efficacy after 14 days and then the balance after the next shot, just my take on it. 

 

 

[placnx]

3 hours ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

More importantly:

How does the Sinovac fare against the U.K. and Indian variants ??

and :

Is it accepted for travelling to different countries ?

It would be a good idea to check the efficacity of Sinovac as each new variant emerges. Then people who were vaccinated with it could know whether they should get a booster of something else.

[placnx]

3 hours ago, Mavideol said:

why take it if only 50% effective, currently anybody with good immune system  has 50/50 %  (or more) chances of getting infected if getting the Chinese vax still have the same 50/50 % chances, why get it

Yes, that's the same correct logic that had NHS advising young people to get Pfizer instead of AZ, due to the clotting complication from AZ.

[placnx]

2 hours ago, ramrod711 said:

That has been my thinking as well, take what you can get and pay for a Moderna or Pfizer later. But... experts seem to be having doubts about mixing vaccines now. I'll be wanting confirmation that the practice is safe before I mix and match.

Yes, there should be trials, and they should get on with it ASAP. Give the public more options! I will ask my friend who has created many viral vaccines. People may be needing boosters sooner rather than later, and those who had AZ, J&J, will probably need boosters by another type of vaccine.

[club]

Lets cut the BS. Its the cheapest and weakest vaccine on the market. That's why Thailand is pushing it so much