Vaccination (To be or not to be)

[rwill]

The wife and I have had our first shots.  Also lots of people I know that have had the vaccine.  Only one person I know had a problem.  His arm bruised all the way down to his elbow.  Doctor said it was because he was on blood thinners.

 

As I said in another thread getting Covid-19 has about a 20% chance of giving you blood clots compared to about .001% chance from a vaccine.

[jomtienisgood]

59 minutes ago, DogNo1 said:

I have ordered a bottle of Ivermectin 6 mg tablets through Lazada.  They are formulated for the treating of parasites in sheep, dogs, etc.

 I don't know whether their formulation is suitable for humans.   It Germany, there are expensive 3,6 and 9 mg tablets available for human prescriptions.  I wonder whether the tablets for animals may be safe for human use.  Does anyone know? I don't have the ability to buy the German tablets right now.

I don't know about your medicine, but I have eaten cat food and am OK...

[Ventenio]

6 minutes ago, jomtienisgood said:

Try boosting with some Lao Kao.. ( just kidding )

 

For about a million years I never had to say "just kidding"......until I came to Thailand.  Now i have to say it....   hahahahhahahahahah

 

try boosting it with 100 ladyboys, 75 bar girls and a bottle of worm juice

 

I'm not going to put the ((((((           )))))))       hahaha

[malathione]

Well you could your own quietus make with or without a bodkin. Get vaccinated if you get the opportunity. Please.

[jomtienisgood]

8 minutes ago, Ventenio said:

TWO fully Vaccinated people caught the Delta variant....

 

OMG............i hope this motivates more people to search for some special vax that protects us from everything.   Now I'm thinking one more year.........crazy.  

The vaccines , seem , to be fully operational ONLY after 2 weeks upon the 2nd shot; Just imagine how many people infected by any virus may be walking around in the hospital where you get vaccinated.....

[ballpoint]

That is the question.

[MrJ2U]

Avoid the Chinese Vaccines.

 

Astra Zeneca isn't very affective:

"blood from those who got the AstraZeneca vaccine was eight times less effective in blocking the Delta variant compared with the original strain."

 

Hopefully they start importing Pfeizer and Moderna. 

 

These mutations are making Astra Seneca and Sinovac obsolete.

 

 

 

 

[Nanaplaza666]

1 hour ago, NorthernRyland said:

The "fact checkers" just walked back this one https://www.politifact.com/li-meng-yan-fact-check/. Oops. Lets see what they say about the risks of vaccines 12 months from now. Time will tell.

They call it pants on fire , i would do the same if i where making billions of dollars in the farmecutical industry and those connected to these billions . The WHO sended people to china to check and after only a few days they reported that it did not originate from a lab . In the meantime they went back there becaise they wern't that sure . As you say , Time will tell . 

[MrJ2U]

On 6/26/2021 at 6:29 PM, couchpotato said:

There are multiple threads on vaccination information.. Do we really need another one.

Yes.

[MrJ2U]

4 hours ago, TheFishman1 said:

I live in Chiang Mai I would love to get the vaccine yet I cannot due to the lack of vaccine available in Chiang Mai TIT

I don't know of any Thais that are willing to take the Sinovac jab.  

 

It doesn't matter really matter here in Sakon Nakhon as this probably be one of the last provinces offering Vaccines.

 

We have paid and made appointments for Moderna at Udon Thani Bangkok Hospital.  Hopefully we don't get it before then

 

[BobinBKK]

I refuse to take Sinovac or Sinopharm as these would bar me from returning home to Western countries. I had an appointment scheduled for Astra Zeneca earlier in June, but upon arrival at the hospital I was informed it was switched to Sinovac. I told the doctor that simply isn't going to happen, turned around and walked away!!!

[NorthernRyland]

37 minutes ago, rwill said:

As I said in another thread getting Covid-19 has about a 20% chance of giving you blood clots

 

Where did you get that number from? If that was true there would be at least 6 million blood clotting cases in the US alone. Maybe they're not that dangerous or only effect the very old.

[mommysboy]

It's not like playing Russian roulette at all.  This is perhaps the mistake you are making.

 

There is only a very, very small risk for a male over 60 who is otherwise in reasonable health.  It makes no sense to compare vaccines, since they all carry this same tiny risk.

 

 

[mommysboy]

38 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

Avoid the Chinese Vaccines.

 

Astra Zeneca isn't very affective:

"blood from those who got the AstraZeneca vaccine was eight times less effective in blocking the Delta variant compared with the original strain."

 

Hopefully they start importing Pfeizer and Moderna. 

 

These mutations are making Astra Seneca and Sinovac obsolete.

 

 

 

 

 

The Chinese vaccines are WHO approved.

 

The AZ vaccine appears to be equally as effective/ineffective as the mRNA vaccines.

 

Misinformation at its worst. What is more, what goes for one vaccine seems to go for all in terms of mutations, with some graded differences.

[mommysboy]

7 minutes ago, BobinBKK said:

I refuse to take Sinovac or Sinopharm as these would bar me from returning home to Western countries. I had an appointment scheduled for Astra Zeneca earlier in June, but upon arrival at the hospital I was informed it was switched to Sinovac. I told the doctor that simply isn't going to happen, turned around and walked away!!!

 

Mistake.  Better to be vaccinated than not.  Also, the vaccines approved by WHO, will likely be added to the accepted list of most countries.

 

You are not barred from returning to any country, though rules may be applied. 

 

Huge error.

[RocketDog]

Should I eat an apple or an orange?

 

Some people say the apple and some say the orange.

 

Some people would say to make your own decision.

[mommysboy]

55 minutes ago, rwill said:

The wife and I have had our first shots.  Also lots of people I know that have had the vaccine.  Only one person I know had a problem.  His arm bruised all the way down to his elbow.  Doctor said it was because he was on blood thinners.

 

As I said in another thread getting Covid-19 has about a 20% chance of giving you blood clots compared to about .001% chance from a vaccine.

 

Getting covid19 does not give you a 20% chance of developing blood clots- absolute rubbish.

[BobinBKK]

2 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

 

Mistake.  Better to be vaccinated than not.  Also, the vaccines approved by WHO, will likely be added to the accepted list of most countries.

 

You are not barred from returning to any country, though rules may be applied. 

 

Huge error.

Please feel free to go educate yourself...

 

Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-25/vaccine-travel-rules-widen-the-rift-between-china-and-the-west

[NorthernRyland]

7 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

There is only a very, very small risk for a male over 60 who is otherwise in reasonable health. 

 

I've never seen stats of COVID deaths  by age for perfectly healthy people. CDC only keeps aggregated stats by condition. To this day I don't know what the risk for age X with perfect health is and the authorities have never even tried to educate us.

[HarrySeaman]

I'm old enough to remember walking down the main street of my small mid-western US home town and seeing a long strip of tape stuck to the sidewalk with local volunteers placing dimes on the tape, dimes donated by the residents of my home town.  These dimes were to pay for the care of polio victims and for research for cures and preventive vaccines such as that done by Salk and other researchers.  If you don't know about polio then look it up - it is a horrible disease.

 

There can be side effects from any vaccine, including those for polio, smallpox, influenza, or COVID-19.  Salk's vaccine was a killed virus vaccine but later ones used a weakened but still alive virus.  The later weakened virus vaccines carried a bit more risk, including causing polio for those with a weakened immune system, but overall they were far more efficient at preventing polio in those who were vaccinated.  Give the same odds for taking the polio, smallpox, or COVID-19 vaccines vs not taking the vaccines I could walk out of any casino a billionaire no matter what game I played.

 

As far as I'm concerned those who refuse vaccines for dangerous diseases such as polio, smallpox, COVID-19, or vaccines for their children such as MMR, are idiots because they haven't seen the effects of a terrible disease like polio and have become believers in idiotic conspiracy theories.  They believe in these idiotic conspiracy theories because they wasted the chance to learn science in school and are now incapable of understanding it.  Frankly if they catch the disease those idiots should have to pay for all their medical costs, not the insurance agencies or the government, and they should be arrested and jailed for causing great bodily harm if they pass the disease along to someone else.

 

The COVID-19 vaccines are of two types.  Both types activate the bodies immune systems ability to recognize unique spikes on the surface of the virus, spikes that allow the virus to attach to and penetrate into your bodies cells where they can mutate your very own DNA, causing it that cell to produce thousands or millions of copies of themselves before killing the cell.

 

One is the killed/inactivated virus type.  Examples are Sinovac, and Sinopharm from China.  These are very much like the annual influenza vaccines and just like all vaccines carry a small risk.

 

The second type are the mRNA vaccines such as Moderna and Pfizer vaccines.  This type of vaccine is a synthetic preparation that causes you own cells to produce the same spikes as those on the virus itself, thus they activate the bodies immune system response in the same way as the killed/inactivated virus does.

 

I'll repeat just in case you missed it.

 

All vaccines carry a small risk of causing negative health side effects.  The decision to take one, or not take one, should depend on scientific data, not Luddite conspiracy theories.  The scientific evidence is clear at this point - the risk of death from a COVID-19 vaccine is far far less than the risk from catching COVID-19.  Not taking a COVID-19 vaccine should make you a candidate for one of the Darwin Awards.

 

Which one should you take?  The first one you can get! 

 

Six months or a year after you are FULLY vaccinated you can decide on whether or not to take a different vaccine to boost your immune system response to other mutations of COVID-19.

 

[mommysboy]

2 minutes ago, RocketDog said:

Should I eat an apple or an orange?

 

Some people say the apple and some say the orange.

 

Some people would say to make your own decision.

 

3 minutes ago, BobinBKK said:

Please feel free to go educate yourself...

 

Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-25/vaccine-travel-rules-widen-the-rift-between-china-and-the-west

 

5 minutes ago, BobinBKK said:

Please feel free to go educate yourself...

 

Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-25/vaccine-travel-rules-widen-the-rift-between-china-and-the-west

 

Would it not be better if you did so?

 

 

[NorthernRyland]

3 minutes ago, HarrySeaman said:

the risk of death from a COVID-19 vaccine is far far less than the risk from catching COVID-19.

We don't know what happens to people who use the gene therapy vaccines in 5 years or even 12 months! That's the issue given these are experimental technology. 

[mommysboy]

5 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

 

I've never seen stats of COVID deaths  by age for perfectly healthy people. CDC only keeps aggregated stats by condition. To this day I don't know what the risk for age X with perfect health is and the authorities have never even tried to educate us.

 

Nevertheless, this is about vaccinations.

 

The risk appears to be in the order 2-3 per million with most vaccines, and this does not factor in health status.

 

Regarding the illness itself- in truth a truly fit and healthy person has a very small risk of dying of covid19 infection, but there are really not many such people these days- if you have a BMI of 22, run 2 miles 2 or 3 times a week (or equivalent) themn you may possibly be considered fit and healthy.

[rodknock]

where in bangkok can you get an astrazsnica covid-19 shot for a 73 year old in BANGKOK right now 6/28/2021 free or paid ???

[Stevemercer]

You can just play the odds.

 

If you get vaccinated, there is a 1 in 100,000 chance you will have sort of allergic reaction and get very sick or even die. In other words, for every 100,000 people getting vaccinated one person will have a severe and potentially fatal reaction.

 

If you get Covid, there is a 1 in 1,000 chance you will be seriously ill and die. This assumes a healthy population. That is, one person will die for every thousand people who catch Covid. The fatality rate is much higher for those over 60 and with other chronic ailments (perhaps 1 in 100 will die).

 

If you are vaccinated, you can still catch Covid, but the risk of fatality will drop from 1 in 1,000 to less than 1 in 100, 000.

 

It's all about playing the odds. Chances are you will be just fine if you don't vaccinate. You will be voluntarily increasing your risk of death slightly. So long as you aware and voluntarily except this extra risk.

 

You could take the vaccine if you want to minimise this risk. There is also a societal benefit because the risk of Covid spread and mortality to the community is reduced the more people who are vaccinated.

 

I also suspect that vaccination will make life much easier if you want to travel or live a free lifestyle in Thailand.

[BobinBKK]

10 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

 

 

 

Would it not be better if you did so?

 

 

I  want nothing to do with ANYTHING made in China. Look where that got us all now!

[unblocktheplanet]

4 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

I am waiting for Moderna to arrive in October, might be a little late, however I let the AZ pass me by, by forgoing my appointment

Moderna is already oversubscribed. There's lots of middle-class who can afford to pay & are as well-informed (that's a joke, Son) as we are.

[4MyEgo]

18 minutes ago, Stevemercer said:

If you are vaccinated, you can still catch Covid, but the risk of fatality will drop from 1 in 1,000 to less than 1 in 100, 000.

 

Link to peer reviewed statistics please.

[4MyEgo]

29 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

We don't know what happens to people who use the gene therapy vaccines in 5 years or even 12 months! That's the issue given these are experimental technology. 

 

We also don't know what will happen to ourselves in 5 years or even 12 months with or without the vaccines.

 

The crystal ball is out of order, however, we all have choices to either jump on the ship before it sails and hope she sails smoothly or sink, I will take my chances with the Moderna vax, don enough research on it to feel she will keep me afloat, for now at least.

[mommysboy]

4 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

I am waiting for Moderna to arrive in October, might be a little late, however I let the AZ pass me by, by forgoing my appointment, that said, it's all about choices and up to you.

 

A lot here on TVF have received both, the Sinovac and AZ, no one dying, suffice to say, it's a one in a million you will go to your grave early with a vax, as for the vax, the stats appear to be good.

 

But "up to you" 

 

'I am waiting for Moderna to arrive in October, might be a little late, however I let the AZ pass me by'

 

Given what you write, why on earth did you forego the AZ?

 

What is so better about the Moderna that it is worth risking infection in what now looks like the teeth of an imminent epidemic in Thailand?

 

Perhaps you've already realized your error.